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You really need to stop looking at these players in a vacuum and start looking at the situation these teams are in. Tampa Bay HAVE to move two big contracts to sign their two RFA's (Cirelli and Cernak). Every GM in the league knows this. No team should be doing the Stanley Cup champions any favors. Killorn is a decent player, but likely not as good as he performed on an elite team, and will likely be overpaid for the remaining years of his contract. If I'm Yzerman (or any GM), I want an asset back for helping them out of cap hell. If BriseBois doesn't want to give up said asset, f*** 'em. We don't need Killorn. Johnson will most definitely garner a 1st round pick in return, at the very least. Both combined, I want a 1st, plus one premium asset, or two good assets.

So basically nothing. Which is exactly what SY paid for him in the first place. Would've liked to have seen what he could do with a regular roster spot and ice time before dumping him tho. If he played well there could have been a pick coming back. Even if he didn't play well, the return would have still been the same.

if it matters I appreciate the going back and forth on this...Gives me something to read as I drink my morning coffee in December with no hockey. Maybe we will see skates on ice in Jan before people implode

I think it's a tad unrealistic to expect Johnson or Killorn to produce at the same clip with the worst team in the league as they did with the best team in the league. They would both likely see a significant dip in production going from the powerhouse Lightning to the bottom feeder Red Wings. I wouldn't expect anything more than 0.5 point per game players at best. With the flat cap, I don't see any top teams being able, let alone willing, to give up premium assets for middle six forwards at the trade deadline. They're also not likely to acquire these players with 2-3 years term remaining. If we were to trade for Killorn and Johnson, I think both would be Red Wings for the next 2-3 years respectively (unless one were picked up by Seattle). The Toffoli comparison kind of falls apart when you realize the contending team was acquiring, and the bottom feeder team was giving up the player. That's the opposite of this situation. If we had a Johnson and / or Killorn, and Tampa had cap space, I'm sure they'd be willing to give up similar pieces as Vancouver did. That's simply not the case though. I'd do a straight up hockey trade for Killorn as well, if we were in a position to do so (aka a contender). Making that sort of trade now would be counterproductive. Tampa need to shed salary cap space. Detroit do not need to add any more players. They do not need to add salary. If Tampa want to trade either of these players to Detroit, it should come at a premium. A late 1st round pick isn't that, for that much AAV and term. Don't do any team, let alone a divisional rival, and current Stanley Cup champion team, any favors. Yzerman has made it abundantly clear through his moves this offseason and in his press conferences, that he does not want to handcuff the team with long term contracts. He wants cap flexibility. It's a very smart way to navigate a rebuild. Adding both Johnson and Killorn would go against everything he's done and said up to this point. The only way he does it, is if it's a massive boost to the rebuild. Again, a late 1st round pick just isn't it in my opinion.

Yeah. There's so many other things people are talking about in here. Silly me for trying to take a trade rumor and reason on it from a different point of view. I'll try to be more narrow minded from now on.

found some, seemed to be short, starts at 40 seconds https://www.shl.se/play/video/107261?provider=staylive&autoplay=1

Another take... https://thehockeywriters.com/lightning-should-consider-salary-dump-trade/ and saw this on a google search it sounded like it had happened After a bit of back and forth, a deal eventually took shape as follows: Tampa Bay trades Johnson, Killorn, a 2021 first-round pick, a 2022 second-round pick, and goaltending prospect Hugo Alnefelt to Detroit for a 2021 fourth-round pick.3 hours ago guessing it was pulled from one of articles but @ first glance I was WHAATTT