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Go look at my pre-season predictions the last two years. I think Edvinsson's already better (despite thinking Seider is very good) and the only reason he's not outscoring Seider is because he's not getting top powerplay opportunities...yet. I was thinking about it the other day and they really remind me a lot of Pronger and Niedermayer. Both are good at pretty much every aspect of the game, but Seider (like Neidermayer) excels more than his partner in the offensive zone, and Edvinsson (like Pronger) is better a stopping plays and shutting down the opposition. As a pair they're unstoppable.

The only players hitting anywhere a PPG are Larkin, and DeCat with Raymond netting over a PPG. The #4 and #5 scorers are Seider and Edvinsson. Everyone else is well below .5 PPG on down. Kane is showing his age and is not as energized as last season (coaching issue?) We should have 3 lines scoring more than they currently are. They are ALL capable of it. Kane(.43 ppg) - Larkin(.82) - DeCat(.82) Raymond(1.07) - Kasper(.29) - Tarasenko(.44) Berggren(.21) - Copp(.39) - Compher(.44) I'm not expecting a PPG player out of each of them, but they can all do much better than what's shown. This is definitely a coaching issue. The only player below .5 ppg I excuse is Kasper, since he is just now finding top 6 minutes. Do all these players stink? I find that hard to believe. This team needs a coaching change PRONTO! Rassmussen (.29) and Veleno (.08) have zero business being on this team, nor should they have gotten the raises they did. But then again, their roles are a little different, although it seems (as with most recent Holland picks) these guys were a waste of a 1st round pick. Still should not have been 1st rounders. Suzuki, Necas, Frost, or Robert Thomas would've been a better pick for a center at #9 than Rasmussen(I am not going to say they should've drafted Tippett, because he is a RW, although he is outscoring Ras by 31 points in 41 less games played.) Plus we all know Holland was supposed to draft Hughes or Bouchard instead of Zadina, so who knows what would've been different at #30. Plus Berggren was #33 that same draft. Right now it's looking like the 2018 1st round (and high 2nd) was a bust for Detroit considering they should've gone for D.

Last season Detroit was a winning team that lost games they shouldn't have because they lacked depth and they were bad defensively. This year they're a losing team that cares more about trying to shut opponents out defensively than actually winning hockey games.

Looks like we got a real one in Max Plante too. Kids scoring at a really good rate for a D+1 player in the NCAA. He’s producing about like Larkin did in the same league at the same age. Apparently he’s grown too. Heard on a podcast in the fall that he’s 6ft or 6’1 now, according to Max Bultman.

How can anyone not be focused on the Lions right now? (Sorry canadians) They're breaking scoring records as a team. Breaking rushing records as a tandem. Literally every starter on D is on IR and theyre still winning games. The lions have masked yzermans failures in the hockey world because only canuck wing bros from sarnia are paying attention. Detroit is watching the motor city kitties eat up the NFL. I remember guys like me saying crap like that during the Harrington era and batch eras and then looking stupid, but this feels so much different. Imjuries dont matter. Defense seemingly doesnt matter. Our 3rd 4thstring just steps up and gets it done. But to bury the defense a lil, our offense makes it seem like "defense wins championships" is for idiots. Campell already has the lombardi trophy. The lions are a case study in what GOOD COACHING can do. I do believe they got heavy assistance from drafting well,but the lions have done that plenty of years b4 this witj terrible results. Dan campbell has single handedly changed this franchise. I truly belive that Glen could make the same selections under patricia and none of this would turn out remotely similar. We have a special coach right now.