Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 Sunday night prediction....OSU 436 UM 2 More serious insight to come later in the week, I'm beat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 Ah, screw it...g/f just IMed me so I'm gonna have to be up for a little while longer. It's irresistible force against the immovable object when the Bucks have the ball. Lately the running game has been a disappointment for the Buckeyes and Michigan has been dominant all season long. One player who I think could really help with power running is Chris Wells but I'm sure he won't see significant time due to his propensity to fumble, specifically inside the 5 yard line. So Ohio State will most likely look to get the passing game going with short outs and eat up yards 10 to 15 at a time. If it works, which it has all season, it will be a big advantage for OSU, if Michigan stops it, we're in trouble. Michigan's running game should have a pretty good day. Our defense has been outstanding in scoring defense, because they are the epitome of bend and don't break. We've given up some yards, although not a ton, and managed to escape a lot of situations. We are definitely a turnover oriented defense, so Henne can't make any mistakes against us or Michigan's offense will pay. But as usual, this game doesn't really come out as it seemingly should. There are tons of intangibles and patterns. Will JT be in the head of Carr and UM or is enough, enough already for the Maize and Blue? I think homefield is a pretty big advantage, especially in a game this big, but it will probably only be a factor in the first and fourth quarter situations. This is going to be an unforgettable week, on campus and what with my friends and family coming down (including several UM fans). May the good feelings continue for me and I hope you all have terrible, awful weekends and dont feel like waking up Sunday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 So Ohio State will most likely look to get the passing game going with short outs and eat up yards 10 to 15 at a time. If it works, which it has all season, it will be a big advantage for OSU, if Michigan stops it, we're in trouble. I think the best thing for OSU to do to start the game would be to line up Ginn on one side, Gonzalez on the other, and tell them both that if you don't see #29 lined up across from you, take off deep. Michigan's weakness is its secondary. I don't really know how our linebackers do in coverage. If they aren't much good, the short passing game like you mention will eat up Michigan all day, because the front four won't have time to pressure Smith. But they're well known for their speed, so that should help. Michigan's running game should have a pretty good day. Our defense has been outstanding in scoring defense, because they are the epitome of bend and don't break. We've given up some yards, although not a ton, and managed to escape a lot of situations. We are definitely a turnover oriented defense, so Henne can't make any mistakes against us or Michigan's offense will pay. This is what makes me really think Michigan ought to do very well with the ball. Bend-but-don't-break works terrifically against pass-oriented offenses, because they run out of real estate as they approach the goal line and the number of plays they can use diminishes. Michigan's offense is the same whether they're on their own 20 or OSU's 3. Hart will pick up the yardage. And he doesn't fumble. Like, ever. I've said it before and I'll say it again: This is probably the biggest regular season game ever. There've been other ones with similar national title implications. Some of them might even have been big rivalry games like Texas/Oklahoma, Notre Dame/USC, hell, even Army/Navy back in the day. But none of them were Michigan vs. Ohio State. Just think, the collective energies of millions of Michigan fans across the country are wishing despair and regret on an entire state Yankees/Red Sox can suck it - this is the biggest rivalry in all of sports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 Help me out guys/gals, and try to answer this with as little bias as you can...why do MSU fans almost never show any support for the Wolverines if the two teams aren't matching up against each other in a contest, but from here at least Wolverine fans seem fine to return the favor if it appears? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 lol. Maybe I should send him an Avalanche jersey for the Wings next encounter with them. you can send me anything you want. Doesnt mean I will wear it. It probably would end up in the fireplace. Help me out guys/gals, and try to answer this with as little bias as you can...why do MSU fans almost never show any support for the Wolverines if the two teams aren't matching up against each other in a contest, but from here at least Wolverine fans seem fine to return the favor if it appears? For me, it's because Michigan always wins. That and both my parents are Michigan fans and I rebeled against them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 Help me out guys/gals, and try to answer this with as little bias as you can...why do MSU fans almost never show any support for the Wolverines if the two teams aren't matching up against each other in a contest, but from here at least Wolverine fans seem fine to return the favor if it appears? No respect because most MSU fans think U-M fans are arrogant. Hey why wouldn't you be arrogant when your the leaders and the best?? Personally MSU only bothers me when we play them. I hate ND/OSU way more Back to the game...the mismatch that scares me is Ginn vs Morgan Trent. Trent is faster then Ginn, but that doesn't mean Trent is a great CB. Ginn should make a few plays because of this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 That and both my parents are Michigan fans and I rebeled against them. Oh man, that is so angsty teenager. Get back to Squaresville, man, with the rest of the "lol horseshoe" fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 Help me out guys/gals, and try to answer this with as little bias as you can...why do MSU fans almost never show any support for the Wolverines if the two teams aren't matching up against each other in a contest, but from here at least Wolverine fans seem fine to return the favor if it appears? Because Michigan State's biggest rival is Michigan, but not the other way round. Plus, in most games (both between the two and elsewhere) MSU is an underdog and Michigan rarely is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 Help me out guys/gals, and try to answer this with as little bias as you can...why do MSU fans almost never show any support for the Wolverines if the two teams aren't matching up against each other in a contest, but from here at least Wolverine fans seem fine to return the favor if it appears? It stems from a few things. First off, at least in football, Michigan usually beats MSU. So we Spartans fans just have to hope to see UM get beat by other teams, since most of the time MSU can't beat them. It's a moral victory of sorts. The other reason is the UM fanbase. I actually respect the University of Michigan itself. It's an excellent school. Too bad the vast majority of their fans A) never went there and B) couldn't get in unless they were pushing a broom. Now, it doesn't bother me so much that these people cheer for a school they could never get into. I understand that UM is a powerhouse when it comes to football, and it's fun to cheer for a winner and their cool helmets. FYI, MSU wore the winged helmets before UM did. What pisses me off is when UM's white trash fanbase acts superior to Spartans, despite the fact their only association to the university is hanging a UM flag outside their doublewide meth lab on game day. You want to cheer for the Weasels, fine. But don't act like you're superior to me when UM beats State. At least I went to the college I cheer for. Because Michigan State's biggest rival is Michigan, but not the other way round. Plus, in most games (both between the two and elsewhere) MSU is an underdog and Michigan rarely is. That's only true for football. As far as I know, UM considers MSU their main rival for basketball, where UM is usually the underdog, and hockey, where the teams are usually even. MSU holds a 5-1-5 record against UM in the last few years in hockey actually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 It stems from a few things. First off, at least in football, Michigan usually beats MSU. So we Spartans fans just have to hope to see UM get beat by other teams, since most of the time MSU can't beat them. It's a moral victory of sorts. The other reason is the UM fanbase. I actually respect the University of Michigan itself. It's an excellent school. Too bad the vast majority of their fans A) never went there and B) couldn't get in unless they were pushing a broom. Now, it doesn't bother me so much that these people cheer for a school they could never get into. I understand that UM is a powerhouse when it comes to football, and it's fun to cheer for a winner and their cool helmets. FYI, MSU wore the winged helmets before UM did. What pisses me off is when UM's white trash fanbase acts superior to Spartans, despite the fact their only association to the university is hanging a UM flag outside their doublewide meth lab on game day. You want to cheer for the Weasels, fine. But don't act like you're superior to me when UM beats State. At least I went to the college I cheer for. That's only true for football. As far as I know, UM considers MSU their main rival for basketball, where UM is usually the underdog, and hockey, where the teams are usually even. MSU holds a 5-1-5 record against UM in the last few years in hockey actually. I always get bugged by the accusation that U-M fans didn't actually go to the school. Like me for example. My dad went; therefore, my family is a Michigan family. Like I was gonna cheer for anyone else growing up when Michigan was on the tube or the radio every Saturday, Michigan Replay on every Sunday, and Michigan stuff all around the house. I chose a different school, I wanted to go to Virginia instead, but my Michigan loyalty remains. Tons of fans have a similar story. And not being able to get into Michigan is no shame, either, it's a tough school. So people grew up cheering for Michigan, couldn't get in, refused to go to State, ended up at Western or what have you, and kept their Michigan loyalties. Happens all the time. Oh, and the winged helmets. As far as anyone (Michigan fan or otherwise) knows, Fritz Crisler invented the winged helmet while he was coaching at Princeton and brought the design with him to Ann Arbor. That is literally the very first time I've ever heard anyone claim MSU did it first, and I won't believe it until I see some pretty clear proof. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 Oh man, that is so angsty teenager. Get back to Squaresville, man, with the rest of the "lol horseshoe" fans. thats where it started man. And I was a huge basketball fan growing up and loved players like Steve Smith and Shawn Respert. Heck, I even liked Glen Rice and the year that Michigan won it all in college basketball. Too bad Michigan had to cheat to be on top in the 90s, otherwise...I would have respected that team way more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 I dont think thats what blakchamber was saying. If you have family that went to go to Michigan, thats more than acceptable. It's the people, especially from NW Ohio, that have no association with UM, just a bunch of beer-swillin hillbillies who cant take a piss without wettin the front of their pants, but like to pretend their intelligent individuals because they root for Michigan. It's annoying to say the least. My father and brother are huge Michigan fans....so it's been a fun few weeks with the trash talk and all, and since I've been at OSU....I've been the one that gets to rub it in. And as much fun as leaving a 3 minute voicemail singing the fight song...I don't want that to happen to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timothy1997 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 Learn something new everyday Michigan State had adopted its version of a "winged helmet" several years earlier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 The other reason is the UM fanbase. I actually respect the University of Michigan itself. It's an excellent school. Too bad the vast majority of their fans A) never went there and B) couldn't get in unless they were pushing a broom. Now, it doesn't bother me so much that these people cheer for a school they could never get into. I understand that UM is a powerhouse when it comes to football, and it's fun to cheer for a winner and their cool helmets. FYI, MSU wore the winged helmets before UM did. What pisses me off is when UM's white trash fanbase acts superior to Spartans, despite the fact their only association to the university is hanging a UM flag outside their doublewide meth lab on game day. You want to cheer for the Weasels, fine. But don't act like you're superior to me when UM beats State. At least I went to the college I cheer for. I agree with you, but there are tons of MSU fans that didn't go to MSU either, or have no affiliation. It's a two sided street. I guess I'm affilated with U-M...I tried to get in only to fail, but I'm not ashamed of it. It has to be the hardest school in the State to get in. Main way I'm with U-M is because my grandpa has went to every single U-M game (both home and away) for 31 years straight years ending last season because of health, and obvioulsy money. Now he's a booster for U-M, and only goes to home games. So while growing up I obviously had my fair share of U-M games with him. Learn something new everyday Michigan State had adopted its version of a "winged helmet" several years earlier. Good find! I never knew that. They should have kept the winged helmets. It would be sweet watching both of them play at the same time. Just "great news" here. OSU homer Brent Musberger will be calling the game with former OSU QB Kirt Herbstreit, and former ND coach Bob Davey. Get Nessler in there! Although I do like Herby, but I HATE Musberger!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 Learn something new everyday Michigan State had adopted its version of a "winged helmet" several years earlier. Huh. Though, it doesn't look like State's have any stripes. And they still got the helmets from Spalding, which got the idea from Fritz Crisler in the first place Anyway, I suppose it's only fair that Michigan fans get categorized by the small few that like to think they're hot s*** because they sided with U-M. After all, OSU fans are couch-burning thugs who just love the smell of pepper spray in the morning Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 After all, OSU fans are couch-burning thugs who just love the smell of pepper spray in the morning You're really getting cocky this week Red...I love it! Where is Johnogrodnickfanclub??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 I don't know what the NCAA was thinking, putting this game on Nov. 18th. What do they expect us to do all week long?!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 Gotta love Bo- "DONT SNIFF OUR BAGS SATURDAY!" http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...BLOG07/61113016 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 I agree with you, but there are tons of MSU fans that didn't go to MSU either, or have no affiliation. It's a two sided street. That's exactly true. My main issue with Wolverine fans that didn't go there isn't so much the fact that they didn't go there. I have no issue with guys like you or BRTD. It's the ones this guy. This is from the Detroit News before the 2004 game. "U-M fan Jeff Lott, 37, of Flint, didn't go to college, but that doesn't stop him from making fun of Michigan State. 'You can't expect a lot about a college based on agricultural skills," said Lott, a clerk for a sporting goods store. "When they talk, they tend to attract flies.'" This guy has no affiliation whatsoever to UM besides hanging a UM flag outside his doublewide, but he's going to act like he's superior to MSU graduates world wide? You think we're the dumb ones? f*** you, buddy. I hope your meth lab blows up on you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown Red Wings 245 Report post Posted November 13, 2006 After all, OSU fans are couch-burning thugs who just love the smell of pepper spray in the morning Well, after the MIchigan game....its hard to argue with that. I could care less if people light couches and dumpsters on fire...thats good bonfire fun. It's the rioting and car burning that happened in 02 that is embarassing. Desmond Howard was just on Herbie's show here in Columbus...it was a cool segment. As for Musberger loving OSU...its different from game to game. I always thought he was too, but during last year's game he wore a blue and yellow tie. And he was audibly anti-Ohio State in the 95 Sugar Bowl and 97 Rose Bowl. Even my dad, a Michigan fan, was sickened by his anti-OSU bias in those games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted November 14, 2006 That's exactly true. f*** you, buddy. I hope your meth lab blows up on you. As for Musberger loving OSU...its different from game to game. I always thought he was too, but during last year's game he wore a blue and yellow tie. And he was audibly anti-Ohio State in the 95 Sugar Bowl and 97 Rose Bowl. Even my dad, a Michigan fan, was sickened by his anti-OSU bias in those games. My couisin at OSU thinks Musberger is biased towards U-M, while I think the totally oppisite. At least we both agree that he is a moron. Screw Brent, bring in Keith Jackson! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwings1914 18 Report post Posted November 14, 2006 One of the few things that I like about Mus(tard)burger... "...and here come the Wolverines.." Just gives me chills thinking about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted November 14, 2006 One of the few things that I like about Mus(tard)burger... "...and here come the Wolverines.." Just gives me chills thinking about it. You're right that is classic, but then he says "AAAAJJJJJJJJ HAWWWWWWWK", and it totally grosses me out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwings1914 18 Report post Posted November 14, 2006 http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/005660.php LOL. Theres a drinking game for everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted November 14, 2006 http://www.fanblogs.com/ncaa/005660.php LOL. Theres a drinking game for everything. Can't play that game...I want to REMEMBER the game! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
