Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 20, 2007 Only 1 game behind the tribe. And we're killing the Nats by 12 in the 5th. Hopefully the central lead will be all tied up by midnight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 I really feel like theres going to be a trade by Friday, im actually sensing it may be Robertson now being dealt for a reliever and a prospect maybe. Texas has always had the eye on Nate, and i know he just got hit up by the Rangers in his last start, but something involving him and Otsuka/prospect could be on the horizon. Had a little brain fart with this one, as they'd still have to do something with Miller, Maroth, or Durbin even if Robertson got dealt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 (edited) Here's what I'd like to see happen with the pitching rotation: 1. Trade (or release) Maroth and Grilli: Maroth's velocity is off about 5 mph from pre-injury and it's probably going to be next year before he fully recovers. At that point, Miller and others are going to be ready. As for Grilli, he's been inconsistent for 2+ seasons. Time for some new blood; you can't trust this guy. 2. Send Miller back down to AA, Byrdak to AAA. Miller's relying almost solely on his fastball. That's going to catch up with him sooner rather than later. He needs to develop command of the change and slider before he's ready for the "big club." I like Miner over Byrdak; he's just got better stuff. 3. Keep De La Cruz in the bullpen. He's got the best stuff of anyone in the bullpen right now, and he seems to have good control of it. So that would leave our pitching staff as: Starting rotation: Bonderman, Rogers, Verlander, Robertson, and Durbin Long/Middle relief: Ledezma, Seay, Miner Set up guys: De La Cruz, Rodney Closer: Jones Edited June 20, 2007 by Airborn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agalloch Report post Posted June 20, 2007 No, Miller should not be sent down. I'm not sure what you've been watching, but he's been using his slider and change a ton. He's been great so far. He's two good starts against the two best offenses in the NL, and is only going to improve. He's better than Durbin, and Durbin would give the bullpen some help. I can't believe you want Byrdak sent down. Before his crappy outing last time, his ERA was 1.65. He's been the only good reliever the Tigers have had all year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Quote from Leyland... "Stay close to the phone," Leyland told reporters. "There's going to be some action here in the next couple days." They already traded Ledezma...wonder whats next? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 No, Miller should not be sent down. I'm not sure what you've been watching, but he's been using his slider and change a ton. He's been great so far. He's two good starts against the two best offenses in the NL, and is only going to improve. He's better than Durbin, and Durbin would give the bullpen some help. I can't believe you want Byrdak sent down. Before his crappy outing last time, his ERA was 1.65. He's been the only good reliever the Tigers have had all year. I did not see Miller's start against the Mets, but in his last start against the Phils he definitely did NOT throw his slider or his changeup very much at all. Like I said, it was fastball all the way. Don't get me wrong, I think he's going to be an amazing pitcher, but I don't think he's better than Durbin right now. Give teams a few times to see him pitch, and if he doesn't have better control of his other pitches, he's going to get shelled. In addition, Miller has the advantage of having a minor league option, so you could recall him anytime. However, if you keep him, you need to get rid of another pitcher from the current roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwfan007 18 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 I heard an interview with miller yesterday and he said that he still competed tough even though he didn't have his best stuff. He has not let in a run in 2 starts and one of those he didn't have his good stuff. That is what good pitchers do, they still get batters out and keep runs off the boards no matter what stuff they have. The tigers have a dilemma with miller and durbin, none of which have pitched themselves out of the rotation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 The Ledezma trade makes me think we're leaning towards moving Durbin to the pen, and keeping Miller. Afterall, Ledezma was the primary long reliever, so somebody has to take that spot. I hate to see Ledezma go, as I thought he had pitched better than his stats, but it made sense to move him considering he had decent trade value so we not only to get a decent arm back, we also got someone with an option left. Another smart move by Dombrowski: Go figure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Andrew Miller is the man. But I don't think Leyland is keeping him in the rotation. I read in an interview where Leyland said he thinks Miller is getting there, but not quite ready for regular starts in the majors yet. Granted, that was like 2 or 3 weeks ago, but I still think he's gonna send him down. I think everyone is forgetting that Durbin has been pitching better than Mike Maroth. I like Mike, but I think it should come down to who is doing the most with his starts, and Chad Durbin has been showing up with each start. Maroth has been giving up tons of hits. I say keep Miller and Durbin, and send Maroth down to AAA. I don't think thats what Leyland will do. But thats what makes the most sense to me. Either way, damn its nice to finally have Kenny back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 ^^^ I don't think Maroth can be sent down to AAA unless it's a rehab start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 ^^^ I don't think Maroth can be sent down to AAA unless it's a rehab start. The Tigers could "designate him for assignment" (in other words try to send him down), but because he has more than 3 years of MLB experience, Maroth can choose to decline. Assuming Maroth would decline the assignment, the Tigers would then have 10 days to either trade of release him. The most likely scenario is for Dombrowski to just try and trade Maroth for some value. The scenario above is usually saved for drastic scenarios where a team is trying to desperately unload a head case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 The Ledezma trade makes me think we're leaning towards moving Durbin to the pen, and keeping Miller. Afterall, Ledezma was the primary long reliever, so somebody has to take that spot. Same thing i was thinking when i heard about the trade. This opens up the long reliever role, and replaces Ledezma with a guy im more comfortable with in short inning work. Good trade. I dont think theyre done, as i just dont feel they'd put Maroth in the pen. I believe they'd feel like they owe it to him to send him somewhere he can start. We're not going to get very good value at all, but take what you can get. His time's up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted June 22, 2007 I'd be disappointed to see Maroth go.....the guy is one of my top favorite Tigers after the way he handled himself in '03. But that writing has been on the wall for some time now. Hopefully he lands somewhere where he gets the chance to have a secure job as an every-fifth-day starter. I like the idea of this Macay McBride being able to come in for an inning. He seems dependable - good numbers. Ledezma still has a lot of potential and can be dominating at times, but overall he's sort of a mixed bag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sergei Fedorov91 24 Report post Posted June 22, 2007 I know, Maroth continued to look the devil in the eye even when the world was being blown up all around him. I do hope he can be a starter somewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airborn 0 Report post Posted June 22, 2007 I've thought for a while the Cards would be a good landing spot. He went to the NL and went to a team that he can help. The Cards pitching has been horrible, especially their starters all year long. It'll be interesting to see what the player to be named later ends up being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 22, 2007 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2913104 Heres the link if anyone needs it. I knew we we're gonna do something with Maroth. He just wasnt pitching the way he had in the past. Letting up tons of runs. Not to mention Durbin has been pitching his lights out. Funny that no one knows yet what the Tigers got in return. But im sure its not much. Glad to see this trade nonetheless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted June 22, 2007 Ugh, I hate PTBNL trades. That's a letdown and a half. Well, I'm glad Maroth landed in a place where he's needed. I really think every Tigers fan owes Maroth a big round of applause and a thank-you for being the consummate professional. Class act all around Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 NOOOOO! Maroth. He was my first fave Tiger when I became a fan. I am upset, but I hope he does great with the Cards. Thanks for everything! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckhog419 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 bonds just hit 749 err! i hate him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted June 23, 2007 As much as I hate to see Maroth go, his departure did improve the rotation. How about Nate Robertson and Andrew Miller as #4 and #5 starters? Is that even fair to the other teams? Don't they have rules against that sort of thing? And Durbin's presence in the bullpen is a huge boost where it's sorely needed. Just wait til 2009. Verlander, Bonderman, and Miller will be like Maddux/Smoltz/Glavine used to be, only several years younger and throwing harder. By that time we could be looking at Rick Porcello in Toledo, Robertson should still be in the rotation barring a trade, and someone like Jurrjens or Tata could step in to fill the last spot. Good starting pitching is the hardest thing in baseball to find. Dombrowski's found gold mines of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mannysBETTER3434 1 Report post Posted June 24, 2007 Just wait til 2009. Verlander, Bonderman, and Miller will be like Maddux/Smoltz/Glavine used to be, only several years younger and throwing harder. Thats exactly what I was thinking....it will be fun to watch! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted June 24, 2007 Kenny looked like he hadnt missed a beat Friday night. He was very impressive! To see him actually hitting 91mph a few times definitely eases my concern over his shoulder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 24, 2007 Maggs is just unreal. Seriously. The dude is hitting .383 on the SEASON. That is unfrickinreal. What a total bad ass baseball player that guy is. Im so glad he's in the old english D. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betterREDthandead 58 Report post Posted June 25, 2007 Four-game series against the Rangers coming up at Comerica. Pity this series isn't in Texas (even though the Tigs have been doing a lot of traveling lately) because the Rangers have some absolutely brutal pitching and our bats have been merciless this month. Check out these probables: Kameron Loe (3-6, 6.34) vs. Jeremy Bonderman (8-0, 4.01) Vicente Padilla (3-8, 6.69) vs. Nate Robertson (4-6, 5.07) Kevin Millwood (4-6, 7.31) vs. Kenny Rogers (1-0, 0.00) Jamey Wright (1-1, 7.43) vs. Justin Verlander (9-2, 2.78) That's not even fair. Loe's the best of the bunch, or at least, his numbers are the least sucky, and he got ripped last time he faced the Tigers. And when did Millwood start to suck so bad? He used to be a good pitcher once upon a time. How do the Rangers even stay remotely competitive with a rotation full of guys giving up 6 and 7 runs a game? Those are C.J. Nitkowski numbers. By the way, kudos to Durbin for handling his switch to the bullpen with class. Lot of guys might have bitched about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DetroitIan Report post Posted June 25, 2007 Our next like 14 in a row are all at home. Thats nuts. Then after that, 17 of 20 on the road. Thats insane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
