OsGOD 3 Report post Posted November 30, 2007 (edited) OsGod, give it a rest about the All Star game, he's 40,000 votes away from the starters job. He wont be there. I will give it a rest when his name stops comming up promoting the WIngs "all-stars" its false adverstising in the WORSE way! Maybe the TRUE all-stars of this season would get some consideration if the "by name only" ones weren't stealing all the press from them. Edited November 30, 2007 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
interminded 1 Report post Posted November 30, 2007 If Babcock wants to get Dom back in the game and build some confidence, Phoenix would have been a better choice. If Babcock wants to take advantage of a hot goalie who gets points, then he should play Ozzie against Montreal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mickeyisms Rule! 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2007 ugh...Good for Osgood...bad for me. I just wish Babcock would get Hasek in there a little bit more. We all know how sensitive Hasek is (very similar to the way you coddle a baby) and he is going to get pissed and more and more sucky if he is not being put in these games. I personally feel we need him more than Ozzie. I think Ozzie is playing great and all but Hasek is a proven number 1 who is going through a slump. I do NOT think that means confining him to the bench. Plus he is on my fantasy hockey team and he hasn't played yet this week. Hasek has not proven himself this season. Sometimes you have to remove the blinders and admit that he isn't playing like he used to. This doesn't mean he can't come back from it, just that with the way he is playing right now, Hasek is not number a number 1 goalie. Not to jum down your throat, but did you miss somehow 1997-1998, when Ozzy was the #1 goalie for the Wings and they won the Stanley Cup? He has proven himself over and over again at being capable of holding and excelling in the number one role. When Dom proves that he can play well, not let in 16% of the shots he faces, and not lose 50% of his starts he will have earned the starting job back from Ozzy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 If the team has also come to this conclusion that Ozzie is the man and don't show up on Tuesday, then Hasek is indeed finished. If they play as well in front of him as they have for Ozzie, then Dom will have no problem at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mickeyisms Rule! 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 If the team has also come to this conclusion that Ozzie is the man and don't show up on Tuesday, then Hasek is indeed finished. If they play as well in front of him as they have for Ozzie, then Dom will have no problem at all. If Dom did as good a job of controlling his rebounds (like Ozzie does) he wouldn't face as many shots on net. They can only play in front of him as well as he allows them to play in front of them. When he isn't controlling his rebounds they are forced to face the net more often than face the opposition. Even that small change of focus can alter the way a defense plays. This year with Ozzie in net, they haven't had to worry as much about covering huge rebounds. The same can't be said for when Dom is in net. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 (edited) If the team has also come to this conclusion that Ozzie is the man and don't show up on Tuesday, then Hasek is indeed finished. If they play as well in front of him as they have for Ozzie, then Dom will have no problem at all. Well good to know Dom has NO responsibility in the outcome DOM should really show up and stop relying on others to make or break it for him.... control your own destiny, man! Yay Ozzie way to pick up the slack! Edited December 1, 2007 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 Well good to know Dom has NO responsibility in the outcome "IT IS FINISHED" more powerful words have never been spoken Yay Ozzie way to pick up the slack! you really are trying to make things difficult, I realize that. I do believe that Dom has responsibility for his own play. So does Ozzie, and so do the rest of the Wings. If you think that Oz has won every game on his own, think again. Or just think. Don't put words in my mouth again, thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 IDK why did you say he is finished if the team doesn't show up? seems like you saying he is only a product of the players around him... if he was in deed elite the "all-star" laden wings should provide a better success rate than a buffalo team... Dom should excel on the wings always! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 (edited) Neat. You ride the hot goalie right now while still giving Hasek a few opportunities to get out of his rut. And I hate to disappoint some fans, but Hasek isn't even close to finished. There's still 2/3 of the season left to be playing, things can easily change on a dime where Osgood could start struggling (NO I AM NOT WISHING OR ENCOURAGING THAT TO HAPPEN). While Osgood should definitely be carrying the majority of starts right now, there's still a wealth of games where things could easily change, or for Osgood to continue to do good and for Hasek to get plenty of games to get back in a good streak. No player on the Wings, nor any team is even close to being done this season when we're not even to the New Year yet (assuming somebody doesn't have a season ending injury). Saying otherwise is just stupid and not using any sense. Think people. Edited December 1, 2007 by SouthernWingsFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 (edited) Well good to know Dom has NO responsibility in the outcome DOM should really show up and stop relying on others to make or break it for him.... control your own destiny, man! Yay Ozzie way to pick up the slack! No kidding. First it's that he wasn't seeing enough shots. Then he sees a lot of shots and still doesn't play well. Now it's the team's fault even before the game's been played??? The team is playing well. Dom isn't. It's up to him to change that, not them. And I'm sure he knows it. The guy's got six Vezinas and has played in the league for 15 years now. He's a veteran goaltender, not a child that needs to be coddled. Edited December 1, 2007 by haroldsnepsts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 I'm going to Montreal - Detroit game and I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE THAT HASEK IS GOING TO PLAY... We are going to win and Hasek is going to prove that he's still elite goalie in NHL... PERIOD Go WINGS go!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 (edited) Ozzie probably won't go to the all-star game, but his numbers certainly make him deserving of at least some consideration. I mean honestly, what would the Red Wings record look like right now if Hasek had played the majority of the games? Only Zetterberg has been more valuable than Ozzie so far this season. LOL. Only Zetterberg? The only reason that Ozzie does as well as he has is the team in front of him. There has not been ONE game stolen by either goaltender. If the team has also come to this conclusion that Ozzie is the man and don't show up on Tuesday, then Hasek is indeed finished. If they play as well in front of him as they have for Ozzie, then Dom will have no problem at all. I could not agree more Puckloo. Sorry that the Ozzy Trolls have to belittle everything you say. The fact of the matter is that the team in front of Ozzy makes Ozzy. Also with DOM. Again not a game stealer yet! Well good to know Dom has NO responsibility in the outcome DOM should really show up and stop relying on others to make or break it for him.... control your own destiny, man! Yay Ozzie way to pick up the slack! OsGod, I like you but really! GIVE IT A REST! You have become nothing but a troll of late. Ozzy is not that great of a goaltender. He is having a GREAT year, sure. A great goaltender, I don't think so. Ozzy has not really picked up any slack at all. Dom has 5 losses. 3 of which is to Chicago. Which Ozzy could not beat either. Chi-town has our number. But if you take all the Windy games away it is 2 loses to 1. Just something to think about. Edited December 1, 2007 by IceMunkee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 (edited) LOL. Only Zetterberg? The only reason that Ozzie does as well as he has is the team in front of him. There has not been ONE game stolen by either goaltender. I could not agree more Puckloo. Sorry that the Ozzy Trolls have to belittle everything you say. The fact of the matter is that the team in front of Ozzy makes Ozzy. Also with DOM. Again not a game stealer yet! OsGod, I like you but really! GIVE IT A REST! You have become nothing but a troll of late. Ozzy is not that great of a goaltender. He is having a GREAT year, sure. A great goaltender, I don't think so. Ozzy has not really picked up any slack at all. Dom has 5 losses. 3 of which is to Chicago. Which Ozzy could not beat either. Chi-town has our number. But if you take all the Windy games away it is 2 loses to 1. Just something to think about. I'm confused. Don't Ozzy and Dom have the same team in front of them when they play? Hasek has a 2.90 GAA and .864 SV % (which is worst in the league. there's 42 goalies ahead of him) with the same lineup in front of him that Ozzy has. Just something to think about. EDIT: The more Hasek plays, his numbers will likely get better. I can't see how they can get any worse. Edited December 1, 2007 by haroldsnepsts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 (edited) LOL. Only Zetterberg? The only reason that Ozzie does as well as he has is the team in front of him. There has not been ONE game stolen by either goaltender. I could not agree more Puckloo. Sorry that the Ozzy Trolls have to belittle everything you say. The fact of the matter is that the team in front of Ozzy makes Ozzy. Also with DOM. Again not a game stealer yet! OsGod, I like you but really! GIVE IT A REST! You have become nothing but a troll of late. Ozzy is not that great of a goaltender. He is having a GREAT year, sure. A great goaltender, I don't think so. Ozzy has not really picked up any slack at all. Dom has 5 losses. 3 of which is to Chicago. Which Ozzy could not beat either. Chi-town has our number. But if you take all the Windy games away it is 2 loses to 1. Just something to think about. You've got to be kidding me. Besides Hank, you're damn right Ozzie has been the next best Wing. Anyone that thinks differently, has not been paying attention to the season. The team does not make Ozzie. They help, not 'make' him play great. That's such a sad excuse to just try and bring him down. He's freaking 12 & 1 and has been #1 in the league for majority of the season thus far. He's been spectacular and deserves all the credit he's getting and then some. LOL yeah let's take away the Hawks games to make Dom look better. Wow. He hasn't been playing good period. Be it against the Hawks, or whoever else he's played against. This isn't a knock on Dom nor are we trying to bash him. We all know he was a great goaltender, but so far this season he has shown he's slowed down, and that has age has finally caught up to him. It's not a big deal, it was bound to happen sometime, and this is probably the year it happens. Now am I saying that there's no way Dom can get back to his normal self? Absolutely not. Will it happen? Maybe. Do I think it will? Probably not. Does that make me a basher/troll? I most certainly think not. Edited December 1, 2007 by HockeyCrazy3033 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 (edited) LOL. Only Zetterberg? The only reason that Ozzie does as well as he has is the team in front of him. There has not been ONE game stolen by either goaltender. I could not agree more Puckloo. Sorry that the Ozzy Trolls have to belittle everything you say. The fact of the matter is that the team in front of Ozzy makes Ozzy. Also with DOM. Again not a game stealer yet! OsGod, I like you but really! GIVE IT A REST! You have become nothing but a troll of late. Ozzy is not that great of a goaltender. He is having a GREAT year, sure. A great goaltender, I don't think so. Ozzy has not really picked up any slack at all. Dom has 5 losses. 3 of which is to Chicago. Which Ozzy could not beat either. Chi-town has our number. But if you take all the Windy games away it is 2 loses to 1. Just something to think about. Whoa why are my comments trolling??? because they don't agree with the ones you "could not agree more too" sorry no... not trolling... just commenting on some outlandish claims i am seeing... but whatev.. we each are allowed our own opinons... Sooooo Dom is playing s***ty ergo... TEAM must be s***ty when DOM is in net.... Well then apart from being called a dumbass i say play the GOALIE that the TEAM wins for ... LOL ummmm OZZIE Since goalies don't matter... Can we get POTVIN? i have always wanted the cat on our team! Edited December 1, 2007 by OsGOD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 You've got to be kidding me. Besides Hank, you're damn right Ozzie has been the next best Wing. Anyone that thinks differently, has not been paying attention to the season. The team does not make Ozzie. They help, not 'make' him play great. That's such a sad excuse to just try and bring him down. He's freaking 12 & 1 and has been #1 in the league for majority of the season thus far. He's been spectacular and deserves all the credit he's getting and then some. LOL yeah let's take away the Hawks games to make Dom look better. Wow. He hasn't been playing good period. Be it against the Hawks, or whoever else he's played against. This isn't a knock on Dom nor are we trying to bash him. We all know he was a great goaltender, but so far this season he has shown he's slowed down, and that has age has finally caught up to him. It's not a big deal, it was bound to happen sometime, and this is probably the year it happens. Now am I saying that there's no way Dom can get back to his normal self? Absolutely not. Will it happen? Maybe. Do I think it will? Probably not. Does that make me a basher/troll? I most certainly think not. All I am saying is that Ozzy...Or Dom has YET to save a game. Yet to have a GREAT game. Sorry. I am not sure if you can say I have not been paying attention, that is your opinion, but I have not missed a game. I definitly was not calling you a troll. There are some of the Ozzy Crave Fest that are doing nothing but trolling. Just to make it clear as I have in several other post. I don't really care who wins this "war" if you check out my sig you could see. I don't disagree that Ozzy is having a great season. I just disagree that he not the second coming. He is hot but on any other team in the NHL he would not look as good. IN DETROIT THE TEAM IN FRONT OF THE GOALIE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GOALIES SUCCESS. That is how good Detroit is and has been for a few years. I would prefer Lundqvist then either right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 All I am saying is that Ozzy...Or Dom has YET to save a game. Yet to have a GREAT game. Sorry. I am not sure if you can say I have not been paying attention, that is your opinion, but I have not missed a game. I definitly was not calling you a troll. There are some of the Ozzy Crave Fest that are doing nothing but trolling. Just to make it clear as I have in several other post. I don't really care who wins this "war" if you check out my sig you could see. I don't disagree that Ozzy is having a great season. I just disagree that he not the second coming. He is hot but on any other team in the NHL he would not look as good. IN DETROIT THE TEAM IN FRONT OF THE GOALIE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GOALIES SUCCESS. That is how good Detroit is and has been for a few years. I would prefer Lundqvist then either right now. Then how do you explain Dom looking like crap so far? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 Whoa why are my comments trolling??? because they don't agree with the ones you "could not agree more too" sorry no... not trolling... just commenting on some outlandish claims i am seeing... but whatev.. we each are allowed our own opinons... I agree we all are allowed our opinions. It just seems that way lately. I understand you may be as passionate about Ozzy as Puckloo and My very good friend are about dom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Offsides 21 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 All I am saying is that Ozzy...Or Dom has YET to save a game. Yet to have a GREAT game. Sorry. I am not sure if you can say I have not been paying attention, that is your opinion, but I have not missed a game. I definitly was not calling you a troll. There are some of the Ozzy Crave Fest that are doing nothing but trolling. Just to make it clear as I have in several other post. I don't really care who wins this "war" if you check out my sig you could see. I don't disagree that Ozzy is having a great season. I just disagree that he not the second coming. He is hot but on any other team in the NHL he would not look as good. IN DETROIT THE TEAM IN FRONT OF THE GOALIE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GOALIES SUCCESS. That is how good Detroit is and has been for a few years. I would prefer Lundqvist then either right now. 1. Ozzie has had some great games 2. If what you say is true...who cares who's in net...and why the hell do we need Lundqvist. You are talking out both sides of your mouth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 Then how do you explain Dom looking like crap so far? I think Dom had bad games, I definitly think that. I also think that some of those games it seemed the whole team was not up to their full potential. I can give a couple of reasons but you will probably throw so many objections to why Dom just sucks really bad. HELL I am not saying that Dom is the greatest. I am just saying the play on some games has not been that differant. 1. Ozzie has had some great games 2. If what you say is true...who cares who's in net...and why the hell do we need Lundqvist. You are talking out both sides of your mouth. Not really. What I was trying to say that out of Dom and Ozzy whoever brings the wins in is who I want to start. I could not careless who's name is on the back as long as the front is getting it done. If I could chose any goalie in the NHL it would not be either. It would be Lundqvist. Also what I am saying is that to say that ozzy has done all of it himself is ridiculous. Detroit has always made goaltenders look better in recent years. They are just that good of a team. But since your disecting what I say and giving it a fresh twist.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,151 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 (edited) All I am saying is that Ozzy...Or Dom has YET to save a game. Yet to have a GREAT game. Sorry. I am not sure if you can say I have not been paying attention, that is your opinion, but I have not missed a game. I definitly was not calling you a troll. There are some of the Ozzy Crave Fest that are doing nothing but trolling. Just to make it clear as I have in several other post. I don't really care who wins this "war" if you check out my sig you could see. I don't disagree that Ozzy is having a great season. I just disagree that he not the second coming. He is hot but on any other team in the NHL he would not look as good. IN DETROIT THE TEAM IN FRONT OF THE GOALIE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GOALIES SUCCESS. That is how good Detroit is and has been for a few years. I would prefer Lundqvist then either right now. ...so this explains the 31 wins on a s***TY Blues team in 2004, eh? You complain about an Osgood love fest, but your hatred for him deceives you. I cannot tell if what you are saying is coming from your mouth or your ass. Put it this way, when we RE-signed Osgood, nobody had a clue that he would play as good as this so far. Would you say that this Wings team is better than the 95-96 one? Did you know that Osgood is on pace to better his record and GAA this year than he had in 1996? So, if not playing out of his mind, or for lack of a better word GREAT, this team would be nowhere near the top of the league, with Hasek's paultry stats. So Osgood has yet to save a game? Sure he faces only 20 or so shots a game, but in hockey the goalie is the LAST line of defense. You still have to stop quality shots, not all of the 92% saves he has made were from the blueline, and he does have a shutout this season already. Oh, to compare Lundqvist with Osgood is no comparison, why you ask? Sure very similar stats, Osgood has a lower GAA, Lundqvist has a higher SAV %. Not much difference there, but Lundqvist makes over $4,000,000 per season, Osgood makes $800,000. You can have Lundqvist for that waste of cash and you can have Hasek at $2,000,000 plus incentives to back him up. Ozzie at $800,000 is leaps and bounds over Lundqvist at $4,000,000... ...same thing is going to be said about Fedorov when he comes back here for pennies on the dollar and scores 40 plus goals again. "it's not Fedorov, it's the team he is on." Give the man the credit he deserves... Edited December 1, 2007 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 (edited) ...so this explains the 31 wins on a s***TY Blues team in 2004, eh? You complain about an Osgood love fest, but your hatred for him deceives you. I cannot tell if what you are saying is coming from your mouth or your ass. Put it this way, when we RE-signed Osgood, nobody had a clue that he would play as good as this so far. Would you say that this Wings team is better than the 95-96 one? Did you know that Osgood is on pace to better his record and GAA this year than he had in 1996? So, if not playing out of his mind, or for lack of a better word GREAT, this team would be nowhere near the top of the league, with Hasek's paultry stats. So Osgood has yet to save a game? Sure he faces only 20 or so shots a game, but in hockey the goalie is the LAST line of defense. You still have to stop quality shots, not all of the 92% saves he has made were from the blueline, and he does have a shutout this season already. Oh, to compare Lundqvist with Osgood is no comparison, why you ask? Sure very similar stats, Osgood has a lower GAA, Lundqvist has a higher SAV %. Not much difference there, but Lundqvist makes over $4,000,000 per season, Osgood makes $800,000. You can have Lundqvist for that waste of cash and you can have Hasek at $2,000,000 plus incentives to back him up. Ozzie at $800,000 is leaps and bounds over Lundqvist at $4,000,000... I like that appluad yourself. Honestly I did not look at the differance from Ozzy and Lundqvist. Good POINT! Really. As far as talking out of my ass I don't hate Ozzy!!! I love Ozzy!!! I love Dom as well. I just do not agree that Ozzy is the soul reason for our record this season. Or the second soul reason Edited December 1, 2007 by IceMunkee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 I think Dom had bad games, I definitly think that. I also think that some of those games it seemed the whole team was not up to their full potential. I can give a couple of reasons but you will probably throw so many objections to why Dom just sucks really bad. HELL I am not saying that Dom is the greatest. I am just saying the play on some games has not been that differant. I don't think dom sucks really bad. But he hasn't been very good this season, and I don't understand some of the excuses people make for him. He and Ozzy have the same team in front of him. Few shots, lots of shots, doesn't matter. Dom needs to play well. If he's not injured, he's totally capable of doing that. I'm just tired of all the weak excuses for his poor performance so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 I don't think dom sucks really bad. But he hasn't been very good this season, and I don't understand some of the excuses people make for him. He and Ozzy have the same team in front of him. Few shots, lots of shots, doesn't matter. Dom needs to play well. If he's not injured, he's totally capable of doing that. I'm just tired of all the weak excuses for his poor performance so far. I really try not to make excuses for him. My friend and I had a very long discussion/arguement becuase he had excuse after excuse for Dom. My last defense was that bottom line Babs and the Front Office have to go with where the wins are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izzy24 44 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 Versus will broadcast Dom's Montreal game,right? Yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
