lets go pavel 2 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 yeah, no real surprise here ... now i'm just waiting for the announcement that he has been selected as a replacement for the all-star game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drimo 0 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 Selanne's a talented player, but my impression is that he's one of the few class acts on a team that boasts some of the biggest jerks in the league. If he decides to return this late in the season, it'll lower my opinion of him a bit. The Ducks picked up a forward and a defenseman in the off season to fill the spots vacated by Niedermayer and Selanne and it just doesn't seem fair for them to change their minds. That is exactly my thought as well. If Selanne returns, I will no longer view him as an honorable / classy player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 The Western Conference goes through Detroit and the defending champs. Fear the West. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted January 25, 2008 This is something that worked out well for the Ducks to this point, but I think the blasting of Burke is misguided. As outlined already in this thread, the team was missing it's top forward and top defenseman for half of the regular season -- a massive blow for any team to withstand. Did Burke "influence" either of them to keep themselves on the shelf? I severely doubt it. In a league that is now defined by parity (well, except in Detroit, apparently), that is an ENORMOUS RISK to assume. The Ducks, if not for Neidermayer's return, could just as well be on the outside looking in at the playoff picture. Burke maybe one to take some risks, but no GM is that stupid. If you're going to attack anyone, attack Neidermayer and Selanne. They took half of the season off. Amen to that. People love their conspiracy theories but I think its all been a bunch of bunk. I don't think Burke had anything to do with their decisions for the reasons you outlined, namely that what a hell of a risk to take having these guys sit out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GordieSid&Ted Report post Posted January 25, 2008 (edited) That is exactly my thought as well. If Selanne returns, I will no longer view him as an honorable / classy player. OMG. are you people serious? There's nothing against the rules about this. There's nothing that says you can't report on day 125 if you want to. Nobody can force you to play if you don't want to, etc..... If Selanne was announcing his comeback with.........................THE DETROIT REDWINGS for example, I would bet a handsome sum you wouldn't be in here yapping about losing respect for the guy. I know you wouldn't. Who cares, he came back. So what. Big ******* deal. What, are we so afraid of the Ducks we have to whine and complain about everything they do? You should all want the Ducks to be as good as possible and for us to meet them in the Western finals. That's what I want. If we can't beat them then we don't deserve the Cup. I for one am glad Selanne and Niedermayer are back. Now, when and if we beat them the Ducky fans won't be able to cry about losing only because Niedermayer and Selanne were gone. Bring it Ducks! Edited January 25, 2008 by GordieSid&Ted Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 We all knew this was coming sooner than later. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've got the Anaheim cap number at $2.083 million remaining. I would think Selanne would command most of that, thus making a real deadline acquisition impossible. Granted, you could look at it as though Neidermayer and Selanne are their deadline acquisitions, but barring injury they better stay healthy in the playoffs or they could end up facing the same thing the Wings did last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 Anaheim is still having a lot of trouble with secondary scoring -- another loss to the Kings last night. With Selanne coming back, I think they have played their final card. Holland still has a couple up his sleeve, me thinks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drimo 0 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 OMG. are you people serious? There's nothing against the rules about this. There's nothing that says you can't report on day 125 if you want to. Nobody can force you to play if you don't want to, etc..... If Selanne was announcing his comeback with.........................THE DETROIT REDWINGS for example, I would bet a handsome sum you wouldn't be in here yapping about losing respect for the guy. I know you wouldn't. Who cares, he came back. So what. Big ******* deal. What, are we so afraid of the Ducks we have to whine and complain about everything they do? You should all want the Ducks to be as good as possible and for us to meet them in the Western finals. That's what I want. If we can't beat them then we don't deserve the Cup. I for one am glad Selanne and Niedermayer are back. Now, when and if we beat them the Ducky fans won't be able to cry about losing only because Niedermayer and Selanne were gone. Bring it Ducks! Yes, I really do think it is a dishonorable action. Maybe we don't understand the reason for them sitting out more than half the season, but players should be part of their team for the SEASON, not just the "good parts" they can cherry pick. It's not fair to the other players that have earned a spot on the team and it's not fair to the other teams that grind through the season. Sure, you can look at it as a trade deadline acquisition, but the whole situation stinks of "I only want to play if my team is doing well close to playoffs." Selanne knows about the regular season grind and the hard work that has to be put into the season because he is a veteran player, but let's be honest here and call it what it is: for him to sit out this whole time is a selfish move on his part. I'm not saying ANYTHING about disliking the Ducks for this happening, simply stating that if Selanne were to come back, I would no longer hold a high opinion of him because of the selfish action. The same applies to any player, regardless of team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 How good is this for the locker room? Selanne has publicly stated he still loves playing, he just hates practicing and the grind of the season. Ok! Just sit it out then! If you are like 90% of that team, working your ass off all season and this prima donna strolls through the door and is pretty much handed the savior title... I dunno, there just seems like there is a lot to go wrong with their whole situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 Anaheim is still having a lot of trouble with secondary scoring -- another loss to the Kings last night. With Selanne coming back, I think they have played their final card. Holland still has a couple up his sleeve, me thinks. The last few years Holland's deadline acquisitions have turned out to be busts. He better get something done, because Anaheim on paper has a better team than us with Selanne in the lineup. I know the homers on LGW won't admit that, but facts are facts. Yeah, having a better team on paper doesn't mean that they'll beat us, but it's definitely something to worry about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
union drone 0 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 Downey should fight Selanne in that game. I mean it's only fair since you know Pronger will probably fight Datsyuk or Hudler. Pronger knows better than to fight Hudler. Huddles would summon a pack of Keebler elves to come and pummel The Prong, then they'd bake cookies for all the Wings' fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 Yeah, having a better team on paper doesn't mean that they'll beat us, but it's definitely something to worry about. All true -- the Rangers had a better team than us going into the season and I am still shaking my head over LA this year. Holland has managed some low-risk, high-reward deadline acquisitions the past couple years and they have turned out rather mediocore (not quite busts) -- I honestly want more of the same, and do not want him to blow his wad for someone that in all reality, could just as easily turn out equally mediocore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bannedforlife 403 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 We all knew this was coming sooner than later. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've got the Anaheim cap number at $2.083 million remaining. I would think Selanne would command most of that, thus making a real deadline acquisition impossible. Granted, you could look at it as though Neidermayer and Selanne are their deadline acquisitions, but barring injury they better stay healthy in the playoffs or they could end up facing the same thing the Wings did last year. I have a feeling he'll sign for the league minimum, giving Burke plenty of space for depth additions and/or injury call ups. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 Yes, and at that point you'll moan and complain about what he had to give up to obtain said forward. If we don't win the Cup, the complaining will begin immediately after we're eliminated; if we do win the Cup, the complaining will begin when the prospects we gave up hit the ice in the next few seasons and (*GASP*) actually do well. Oh shut up, Crymson. As some have said, Holland had better be working on something -- because Burke sure as hell is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 I have a feeling he'll sign for the league minimum, giving Burke plenty of space for depth additions and/or injury call ups. Given that they don't have any playoff/performance incentive bonuses. I'm not sure if they have any but "Duck Guy" might be more familiar with this area. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 Cory Cross, Kyle Calder, John Cougar Concentrationcamp - "Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 I have a feeling he'll sign for the league minimum, giving Burke plenty of space for depth additions and/or injury call ups. Nope -- the Player's Union would never allow it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 Cory Cross, Kyle Calder, John Cougar Concentrationcamp - "Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica" Bears don't beat.........wait.......what are you doing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Still MIGHTY 0 Report post Posted January 25, 2008 Selanne can sign a contract that would pay 2 mil for a complete season, but the actual count against the cap would be however many games are left and that would give him the pro-rated salary for hte rest of the season and the cap hit. It's what happened with Niedermayer earlier. His contract said he would get $6.5 million a year, but since he was suspended he lost the money on his game checks, and so the Ducks didnt have to pay him taht money. Every game check Scotty lost would be added to the available cap. I think Teemu will sign for about $1.4 million and have incentives in the contract. No matter what he does, he just has to fit under this year's cap because I'm pretty sure Teemu wont be back next year either way. Burke has also said that when these guys come back, he's not pulling this s*** next year. He told Scott and Teemu theyve both earned this hospitality and opportunity one time. Good will doesnt extend that far. He said theyd have to tell him before UFA deadline next year. I personally think Teemu and Scott are done after this year, no matter the outcome. We can replace Teemu and Scott next year with our guys in the minors with another year of experience under their belts (namely Bobby Ryan, #2 behind Crosby, for forwards, and Brian Salcido can be brought up into the Defensive ranks and move Schneider with Beauchemin) Burke also told Teemu to save his decision until after the All-Star Game. Burke told Teemu's agent that if he makes a decision during All-Star weekend he will "wring his neck." Him being Teemu I love Burkie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timsummers 0 Report post Posted January 26, 2008 so does this mean that neiders*** and selanne are just gonna come back around the deadline for the next 10 years, cause that is garbage. you play a third of the season and get paid for a full season...wow. rediculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shannyfan1414 0 Report post Posted January 26, 2008 This is total crap. How is it even leagel in any sport to sit out more then half a season, pretend that you have retired or that you are pondering retirement. Then, out of the blue, you decide to come back and play. Hell, imagine if Stevie did that a couple of times. We could win a couple more cups. I just think that it is such crap that this practice is allowed in any sport. After 20 or 30 games you shouldn't be allowed to sign a deal that would allow you play in the current season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman54 91 Report post Posted January 26, 2008 I find this abit unfair too I only see a stronger team then last year for the ducks People like Getzlaf, Perry, Kunitz only got more experiance and not too mention Getzlaf and Perry are both off to the allstars They acquired Schnieder which just makes their defense that much better They bring in 2 fresh superstar veterans Sure they lose Penner, who in my opionon isnt even very good, Bert makes up for it if he can stay healthy and they traded MC, but Weight isnt such a bad downgrade But lets have no fea........ Holland will soon bring in Sundin and Blake and we will be all good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Danny 155 Report post Posted January 26, 2008 (edited) Hell, imagine if Stevie did that a couple of times. We could win a couple more cups. Pardon my french, but what have you been smoking? Homerism is all fine and good (and something I can fall back on from time to time), but Stevie retiring in no way or shape affected our production negatively. He was a 3rd line winger, at best, upon his retirement, and no one could move in to take the team into the next century until he was gone. If he came back (or lingered any longer), it would have COST us potential cups, not bring them home to Detroit. Don't get me wrong -- I just paid $350 for a Petes autographed jersey -- but Stevie picked the right time, give or take a season, to bow out. Another classy move by a legendary leader who understands how and when to lead. Having him around would not help us one iota at this point. EDIT: clarity Edited January 26, 2008 by Uncle Danny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted January 26, 2008 Thanks for the insight on Burke, still MIGHTY. I will now admit that I was quite wrong about his role in this whole thing. I never thought that he sat Scott and Teemu down at the end of last season and told them to play this big game, but I certainly thought that he had some knowledge that they would be coming back and was able to use it to his advantage. At the very least, I assumed that he condoned the action once he took Scott back. I'm not bothered as much by Teemu. He had played out his contract. Scott, on the other hand, violated his by not showing up to play. It's quite one thing if a player gets called up mid-season from the AHL (or beer league, or whatever). It's another thing if they just show up at the end to enjoy the benefits of others' work. Someone had to work through training camp and get a spot on the roster, only to be bumped off once the better player decided to come back. If this happens because of a trade or, in Selanne's case, if he just decides to get a contract, that's the breaks. If it happens because a guy who has violated his contract and been suspended for it comes back and is welcomed with open arms, I can understand the guy who loses a spot on the team getting a bit cranky after putting in the hard work. I had assumed (wrongly, I now see) that Burke had this figured into the cap hit. I guess Scotty has more brains than I gave him credit for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted January 26, 2008 I hope Teemu is not coming back, he should retire and leave the scene at the top, he achieved incredible milestones, won Cup, is HoF lock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
