It's Time For Change

[Hank 0]

Here me out before everyone jumps down my throat.

Depending on what happens in the playoffs, I think it's time the Wings took things in a different direction.

First, go out and sign Luongo. After this, maybe it's time we started trading some of our surpluss of European players for some North American's.

I know this is sacrilidge to some around here but perhaps giving up players like Filpulla and Hudler for some young, scrappy NA's would be better for our club.

I'm not saying this deal could ever go through but dealing away guys like Filpulla and Hudler (or one of the two) for a guy like Lucic would be awesome.

I love the way our team plays but it's obvious that you can win championships a lot easier with a good goalie, physical play and the trap.

I'm tired of our team being the only playoff contender in the league without a true great goalie.

Sign Luongo and go after some North American grit.

[Guest Crymson]

Here me out before everyone jumps down my throat.

Depending on what happens in the playoffs, I think it's time the Wings took things in a different direction.

First, go out and sign Luongo. After this, maybe it's time we started trading some of our surpluss of European players for some North American's.

I know this is sacrilidge to some around here but perhaps giving up players like Filpulla and Hudler for some young, scrappy NA's would be better for our club.

I'm not saying this deal could ever go through but dealing away guys like Filpulla and Hudler (or one of the two) for a guy like Lucic would be awesome.

I love the way our team plays but it's obvious that you can win championships a lot easier with a good goalie, physical play and the trap.

I'm tired of our team being the only playoff contender in the league without a true great goalie.

Sign Luongo and go after some North American grit.

When I saw 'sign Luongo' in the topic, I was just waiting for the actual post to load so that I could laugh at it.

Please exit your dreamworld before you question the direction of this team. The Canucks will NEVER!!!!! let Luongo go. He MAKES a franchise.

[rwfan007 18]

you lost my attention after your failed spelling of "here" me out...

we have a good goalie, his name is ozzie

[SweWings 45]

>_> Luongo is signed for another season...

[Louisville 112]

You lost me at trading Filp.

[WhiteLightning91 105]

way to not go too overboard...

[Johnny Diamonds 25]

Here me out before everyone jumps down my throat.

Depending on what happens in the playoffs, I think it's time the Wings took things in a different direction.

First, go out and sign Luongo. After this, maybe it's time we started trading some of our surpluss of European players for some North American's.

I know this is sacrilidge to some around here but perhaps giving up players like Filpulla and Hudler for some young, scrappy NA's would be better for our club.

I'm not saying this deal could ever go through but dealing away guys like Filpulla and Hudler (or one of the two) for a guy like Lucic would be awesome.

I love the way our team plays but it's obvious that you can win championships a lot easier with a good goalie, physical play and the trap.

I'm tired of our team being the only playoff contender in the league without a true great goalie.

Sign Luongo and go after some North American grit.

Luongo is not available now and will never be. However Ryan Miller will be a UFA in the summer of 09'.

[puckbags 863]

WTF ?

[FedorovGurl 2]

Whoa...

Whatever you are drinking/smoking , pass some over.

[Izzy24 44]

[StaticWithABeat 0]

Vancouver would let both Sedins, Naslund, and Kesler walk before they give up Luongo. They will happily pay him whatever he wants to remain in Vancouver forever.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Three loses in a row - you are right. Lets abandon ship and become the Oilers.

[Hank 0]

Three loses in a row - you are right. Lets abandon ship and become the Oilers.

Who said anything about that? It's about tweaking the roster. And when Luongo becomes available after next season, I'd rather the Wings lose some talent up front for the best goalie in the league. If Vancouver can be a contender with the little they have up front and on the backend, imagine what Detroit can do with him?

And while I like Ozzie, he's certainly not a premier goalie. The Wings did win with him in '98 but our team had far more depth then.

But it's nice to see all the mature responses here. I forgot how many internet tough guys this forum has.

[gcom007 1,465]

You crazy. I like you man, but you crazy. No, for real.

For real?

Honestly?

What?

[Z and D for the C 712]

Yeah, six Vezinas and 2 Harts isn't great at all. Dom isn't the Dom of old but he's still great.

[Rice 42]

We lost a regular season game to the Ducks on a horrible call?

Yeah, let's gut the best team in the league.

Great idea.

[awingsincebirth 0]

I certainly see where your coming from. Calgary did it with Kiprusoff, Edmonton with Roloson, Vancouver could certainly do it with Luongo, teams can make huge playoff runs with little more than a hot goalie. However, with that said, the suggestion of signing Luongo is easier said than done. I have a very good feeling that the Canucks and him wil come to terms in a very lucrative, long term deal before he ever becomes a UFA.

To suggest that the NHLs far and away best team should take it in another direction does not seem all that reasonable. We're in a slump right now. Did you really not expect it to happen? We'll be fine. Our goalies are slumping, our team is slumping, it happens. What happened to the over-confidence that I saw (not directing this to anyone in particular) whe things were going so well. This team will step it up again, no question. We could still hit that 10 game wins treak, who knows?

I think that one thing this slump does is highlight for Kenny that we may have a few more disposable players than we once thought. Plus, with Cleary out, I can see this forcing Kenny into making a big move. Its not outside the realm of possibility.

PS I actually had a dream last night that we traded Holmstrom for Jagr, straight up. It was fricken hilarious. And then I was watching TV - in my dream - and they interviewed Homer and he was PISSED.

Then I woke up, and it was just a nightmare, a terrible nightmare.

[Hank 0]

I certainly see where your coming from. Calgary did it with Kiprusoff, Edmonton with Roloson, Vancouver could certainly do it with Luongo, teams can make huge playoff runs with little more than a hot goalie. However, with that said, the suggestion of signing Luongo is easier said than done. I have a very good feeling that the Canucks and him wil come to terms in a very lucrative, long term deal before he ever becomes a UFA.

To suggest that the NHLs far and away best team should take it in another direction does not seem all that reasonable. We're in a slump right now. Did you really not expect it to happen? We'll be fine. Our goalies are slumping, our team is slumping, it happens. What happened to the over-confidence that I saw (not directing this to anyone in particular) whe things were going so well. This team will step it up again, no question. We could still hit that 10 game wins treak, who knows?

I think that one thing this slump does is highlight for Kenny that we may have a few more disposable players than we once thought. Plus, with Cleary out, I can see this forcing Kenny into making a big move. Its not outside the realm of possibility.

PS I actually had a dream last night that we traded Holmstrom for Jagr, straight up. It was fricken hilarious. And then I was watching TV - in my dream - and they interviewed Homer and he was PISSED.

Then I woke up, and it was just a nightmare, a terrible nightmare.

Thank you for an insightful post. At least you don't throw out insults when you disagree.

I understand what you're saying too. And contrary to popular belief I've thought about this long before our 3 game skid. Losing to the Ducks today isn't something I wasn't expecting. This was our 2nd game in 2 nights and 3rd in 4 nights. Not too many teams can win back-to-back - especially against the Cup winners.

But if there's one thing the Wings have lacked since the lockout it's a star goalie. I for one would be happy to give up some youth/talent to acquire one.

It's far, far easier to play and beat teams with a grinding style and great goaltending than it is with skill and average goaltending. I like Osgood, but let's face it. There's no way on earth he's having the same season he is now on teams like Vancouver, Phoenix or St.Louis. The Wings make him look much better than he really is.

For once, it would just be nice to enter the playoffs without a big question mark hanging over our goaltender.

P.S. I know that Vancouver will go all out to keep Luongo in Vancouver but nobody here knows if he'll want to stay there. Buffalo tried their best to keep Drury and Briere but they wanted out. The same could happen to Roberto. Especially if the team continues to struggle to make the playoffs and contend for a Cup. He could easily see that Detroit would have a better chance and take less money to come here - just like Rafalski and other players before him.

[Superman54 91]

ha sorry hank everyone seems to be still really pissed after ducks game, and they all seem to be taking it out on u

[arnoldbuck 0]

I would love to have Luongo in net. I'd never want a squad like the nucks have though. With a dominant tender and s*** all for the rest.

And yeah, I would also love to have so more muscle on or team. Not fighters necessarily, just ... well ... there have been a thousand threads on the topic. I truly believe the myth that Euro's arent willing to get their hands dirty is dying. I believe Z and Dats will give everything they have to win a cup. But after a few talented euros such as those boys, I wouldnt mind replacing your Hudlers and Filps with some N.A. boys who would murder for the shot at the Stanley Cup.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

We need to trade that Lidstrom guy. I hear the Leafs are looking to move Kubina.

[cboth686 0]

Trust me, I've been a die hard wings fan since I can remember watching hockey, AND I'm from Calgary. So here goes:

Hasek isn't a goalie the red wings can use to win a cup.

Osgood is playing great, maybe even a little too great for me to think he can keep up these numbers.

The one thing detroit has always been missing is a Kiprusoff, Luongo, Giggy, Vokoun, Nabokov, Turco, etc.

What you probably noticed is only one of those tenders has won a cup. We have two on our roster that already have.

Hasek WAS the best, maybe ever, as his 6 vezinas point out, but that game on Saturday was terrible. Those 2nd & 3rd goals were so soft, and those are the types of goals that KILL teams in the playoffs. I was so angry when I heard Kenny signed Hasek in the summer, I was really hoping they were gonna get somebody new. Hasek isn't nearly the same Hasek, his GAA is great (but as we all know that pretty much a team stat.) His save % is almost a whole .20% less than Osgoods! How does our 6 time vezina winner explain that when the two play behind the same defence!?

All that said, what's the bad part about this? We won't be able to get anyone new between the pipes until at least next year. I think Hasek only signed a one year right? No one will take him at this point in his career, and with Osgood's numbers and the now much larger size of Osgoods contract, no one will take him either. (Not to mention many fans, and probably myself would be livid!)

Even here in Calgary, no one is afraid of our mighty red wings! Why? Because we're still missing the key cog in the wheel and that's between the pipes. So before you freak out, I love ozzie, but in all honesty, I don't know if detroit is really that much different than we were last year. Yeah we were close, but we could be miles ahead with a true #1 elite tendy back there for us.

[Yzerfan1999 81]

Who said anything about that? It's about tweaking the roster. And when Luongo becomes available after next season, I'd rather the Wings lose some talent up front for the best goalie in the league. If Vancouver can be a contender with the little they have up front and on the backend, imagine what Detroit can do with him?

And while I like Ozzie, he's certainly not a premier goalie. The Wings did win with him in '98 but our team had far more depth then.

But it's nice to see all the mature responses here. I forgot how many internet tough guys this forum has.

First off, getting a different goalie and trading Hudler and Flip doesn't strike me as taking things in a 'different direction'.

Second, the Vancouver Canuck's really don't strike me as a contender...at all.

Third, there was nothing 'tough' about my post - unless you find rolling eyes smiley's tough.... I was simply saying that the Oiler's took a 'different direction' in the last couple of years by trading Pronger and Smyth, and look how well they are doing. While I love gritty North Americans, they only go so far. The Oilers whole roster is made up of gritty NA's and they still suck. We have a great core in tact right now, it seems they are missing just one final piece.

Oh, and the Canucks will do ANYTHING to keep Luongo. I don't see him going anywhere anytime soon.

[Barrie 900]

Nah, the only thing we need to do is add a little size at the deadline so we can K.O. the Ducks!

[OsGOD 3]

So basically another goalie will solve the problem that has been plaguing us with the last 4 goalies... Usually when you make that many changes and things still end the same you logically starting thinking HMMM the goalies might not be the problem in the end. But duct does always work temporarily so i can see the draw to get the next "best" goalie out there.

It must be a detroit thing...

goalies are to the wings as coaches are to the Lions... How many coaches have we had and we still suck??? gotta be the effing coach for christ sakes... we will find the right one eventually!!!!!!!!!

Edited February 11, 2008 by OsGOD