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#61 Shoreline

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 12:15 PM

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 01:03 PM

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I was just thinking about whose numbers will be going in the rafters last night, here's what i came up with:

Locks: Lidstrom, Osgood

Probable: Shanahan, Zetterberg,Datsyuk (barring something unforseen happening to Z or Pav)

Possible: Fedorov -The messy break up is the only thing that puts him in this category,
Chelios-he played 7 seasons in Montreal and won a cup, 9 in Chicago and won 2 Norris Trophies, 9 in Detroit and won 2 Cups and will probably retire as a Wing....a very unique career, not many hall of famers split their career almost equally among 3 teams

Longshots/too early to tell- Draper, had an A, won 4 cups and made an Olympic team, Franzen- if he can keep up his production for the majority of his 11 year deal

I agree that Lidstrom is a lock, but (and with all due respect to Osgood), I don't see him as even probable. I also disagree that Shanahan will have his number retired and Z and Dats are way too young to be even considered for retirement at this point.

Due to Fedorov leaving the way he did, I don't think he'll get his number retired in Detroit either. I think far too many people don't realize how difficult it is to have your number retired in Detroit.
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 01:57 PM

QUOTE (bellarina @ April 27, 2009 - 09:17AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Locks: Lidstrom

Probable:Osgood

Possible: Shanny,Chelli, Zetterberg and Datsyuk

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If we let people on this board vote, every player who has worn a Wings jersey would get their number retired, and we'd run out of numbers....

Chelios? No way - maybe if he goes back to the Hawks and they actually win a Cup with him doubtful) they'll hang it there.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 02:01 PM

QUOTE (ComradeWasabi @ April 26, 2009 - 08:14PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I doubt it. Between the holdout and the way that him and the Red Wings parted ways, I don't see it happening. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.


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Posted 27 April 2009 - 03:32 PM

QUOTE (StevieY'sguy @ April 26, 2009 - 09:42PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was just thinking about whose numbers will be going in the rafters last night, here's what i came up with:

Locks: Lidstrom, Osgood

Probable: Shanahan, Zetterberg,Datsyuk (barring something unforseen happening to Z or Pav)

Possible: Fedorov -The messy break up is the only thing that puts him in this category,
Chelios-he played 7 seasons in Montreal and won a cup, 9 in Chicago and won 2 Norris Trophies, 9 in Detroit and won 2 Cups and will probably retire as a Wing....a very unique career, not many hall of famers split their career almost equally among 3 teams

Longshots/too early to tell- Draper, had an A, won 4 cups and made an Olympic team, Franzen- if he can keep up his production for the majority of his 11 year deal


Osgood is not a lock. Draper will not be up there either.

Guys, the number retiring is reserved for elite talents. Not fan favorites.


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Posted 27 April 2009 - 03:44 PM

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Not sure if you were paying attention to this day by day like many of us were in 2003 - I'll give you my rendition. (why not - got a week off til more hockey)

During the course of the 02-03 year, the Wings had a 5 year 50 mill offer on the table. Sergei sat around for quite awhile without signing that offer. Some say he was going through his divorce with Anna, so he was '"upset" and needed time to think things over. Not sure about you, but I don't need time to think about 50mill.

At some point, the Wings rescinded that particular offer, a new one came up 4 yrs, 40 mill.
I am fuzzy on this but it might have been after the Wings got swept in the first round by the Ducks. Sergei rejected that too.

Anyhow, several days went by after the July 1 FA signing period and it seemed no other teams wanted to pay 10 mill per year for Feds (at least that's the impression I got). Rumor was he was still negotiating with Detroit.

Several days later his signed with the Ducks for 5 yrs/40 mill. So essentially he could have had 10 mill per year in Detroit but he took 8 mill per year from the Ducks. All the while his agent was spewing that Sergei only wanted to stay in Detroit.

What I as a huge Fedorov fan got from all this, besides a heartache, was that he never wanted or intended to stay with the Wings once he was a FA. That of course is his right, but it pissed the S^&% out of me as a Wings fan, and someone who hoped Feds retired a Wing. There aren't alot of players who have willingly walked from the Wings for less money, but he is the prime example.

The sad thing is, Fedorov has never been half the player he was since he left Detroit. Should have stayed comrade!

Yeah, in 2003, I was definitely more concerned with fitting in my 9th grade class than hockey. tongue.gif

Man, that sounds ridiculous. I wonder where people get the idea that Detroit pulled the contract on him at the last minute? I mean, from some posts I was reading on here before about it, they made it seem like it was one of the most classless things the Red Wings organization had ever done.

Given what you tell me, I don't think there's a chance in hell Feds' number is going to be retired here.
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 04:06 PM

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i know most fans will remember sergei fedorov very well. he is in my humble opinion one of the most explosive and best wings ever. maybe he was pricy and a fancy player but he was one of the most clutch playoff guys ever for red wings and he had almost 1000 point for us. he was also a leader and probably the best player on 3 stanley cup clubs for us. no one has wore the number 91 since sergei the fancy. do u guys think wings will retire his number? i think so


Players like Yzerman and Lidstrom, utterly exceptional players in both the hockey sense and in the sense of their relation to the organization, get their jerseys retired. Players like Fedorov and Shanahan do not.


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Posted 27 April 2009 - 04:08 PM

QUOTE (Kwame_Kilpatrick @ April 26, 2009 - 08:59PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i know most fans will remember sergei fedorov very well. he is in my humble opinion one of the most explosive and best wings ever. maybe he was pricy and a fancy player but he was one of the most clutch playoff guys ever for red wings and he had almost 1000 point for us. he was also a leader and probably the best player on 3 stanley cup clubs for us. no one has wore the number 91 since sergei the fancy. do u guys think wings will retire his number? i think so

Even if he's good enough, don't you think we should retire the number of players who wanted to play for the Wings instead of bolt every chance they got like Federov? He was a free agent twice. The first time he signed with Carolina and told the Wings not to match. The second time when we couldn't match he signed for LESS money to leave. Screw him.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 04:41 PM

Where on earth are people coming up with these "probabilities." Ogsood, Draper, Shanny, what?

Theres a reason why numbers don't get retired all the time. Its once in a blue moon that it happens, and thus far, there are 3 criteria that have to be considered:

1. Commitment to the Red Wings - this can usually be circumvented if the player was traded against his will
2. Inducted into the HHOF
3. Considered one of the best at your position ALL TIME.

Osgood has NOT EVER been considered one of the best all time at his position. At this point, whether folks like it or not, you can easily look at Osgood's wins and chalk it up to the teams he played behind. Nobody thinks of Osgood being the reason the Wings were great for years on end. We've had all kinds of goaltenders and had success. We've won the cup 4 times with 3 different goaltenders. Osgood has never been a common denominator to our success. That alone should tell you his number won't hang. And it shouldn't. That puts Osgood on par with Lidstrom, Yzerman, Howe, Abel, etc. And he simply does not belong in that category.


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Posted 27 April 2009 - 04:45 PM

I am one of THE biggest Fedorov fans on earth. Up until last off season, I was a huge proponent of retiring #91. He still ranks up there in career points as a Wing, he did score 400 goals with the Wings, Hart Trophy, Selke Award, 3 Stanley Cups. Even the fact that he left for Anaheim as a UFA, didn't sway me from believing he would have #91 up next to the rest of them. But, and this is a big but, he must have come back to the Wings and finish his career here. I was vry optimistic that we'd pick him up at the 2008 trade deadline, I was angry when we didn't. The Stanley Cup (and asking price) helped that anger to leave. Fast forward to July 1st, Marian Hossa. OMG! Marian Hossa! Even with that, I still held out hope that Sergei would come here for a million or less to finish his career back "HOME." Well, he didn't. HE re-signed with Washington for WAY more than that, and now, with the cap issues and the prospectof siging Hossa for life, it is highly unlikely (considering he will be 40 in December) will re-sign here. Thus, ending any, if not all hope of #91 going up where it belongs. Outside chance, maybe (maybe more if Hossa cannot re-sign) he'll be able to come back for Darren McCarty type money. But I believe that the next numbers to go up in the rafters are as follows:


#5

#33

#30


...then we'll have a long time to see if #13, #40, #93 or #81 (doubt it) goes up. Feds will definately go into the Hall. If he enters as a Wing, he has a shot at #91 going up, but if he ends up winning a Cup in Washington, he just may want to shun the Ilitch's again and enter as a Capitol. I am still hoping, but every year he doesn't come back, makes it less and less likely. Just my two cents...

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 05:14 PM

QUOTE (Ms_Hockey @ April 27, 2009 - 04:44PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, in 2003, I was definitely more concerned with fitting in my 9th grade class than hockey. tongue.gif

Man, that sounds ridiculous. I wonder where people get the idea that Detroit pulled the contract on him at the last minute? I mean, from some posts I was reading on here before about it, they made it seem like it was one of the most classless things the Red Wings organization had ever done.

Given what you tell me, I don't think there's a chance in hell Feds' number is going to be retired here.


2003 was such a long time ago. I think the people who did not play close attention to the Wings get the wrong ideas.

The word classless should not be used in the same sentence.
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 05:16 PM

QUOTE (NeverForgetMac25 @ April 27, 2009 - 02:03PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree that Lidstrom is a lock, but (and with all due respect to Osgood), I don't see him as even probable. I also disagree that Shanahan will have his number retired and Z and Dats are way too young to be even considered for retirement at this point.

Due to Fedorov leaving the way he did, I don't think he'll get his number retired in Detroit either. I think far too many people don't realize how difficult it is to have your number retired in Detroit.


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Posted 27 April 2009 - 05:16 PM

QUOTE (Rivalred @ April 27, 2009 - 06:14PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2003 was such a long time ago. I think the people who did not play close attention to the Wings get the wrong ideas.

The word classless should not be used in the same sentence.

I was actually using words from a post I came across some time ago where someone wrote that the way the Red Wings treated Feds in that situation was "one of the most classless moves I've seen from this organization."

So I used the term classless because that's literally what I read.

Edited by Ms_Hockey, 27 April 2009 - 05:17 PM.

QUOTE (Datsyerberger @ January 19, 2009 - 01:32PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A new Lemieux-McCarty fight, as seen by internet forum posters.

Lemieux cheapshots a player with his walker, drawing the ire of D-Mac, who hobbles over. They draw their canes, salute, and cross them, then proceed to repeatedly whack eachother over the heads while hanging onto the bench with their other hands for balance. D-Mac then hits Lemieux's hip, which gives out, Lemieux feebly falls to the ground, crumpling as D-Mac continues to land barely noticeable Yoda-esque cane strikes. Lemieux's age begins catching up to him, crying "what a world, what a world..!" as he melts into a puddle of goo.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 05:25 PM

QUOTE (Ms_Hockey @ April 27, 2009 - 06:16PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was actually using words from a post I read where someone wrote that the way the Red Wings treated Feds in that situation was "one of the most classless moves I've seen from this organization."

So I used the term classless because that's literally what I read.


Guess that person was misinformed. I always consider the source, usually. Just to make it clear, I did not think you were calling the organization classless.

I am just stating the word classless should not be used to describe this organization because most of us at least know it is false.
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 05:28 PM

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Players like Yzerman and Lidstrom, utterly exceptional players in both the hockey sense and in the sense of their relation to the organization, get their jerseys retired. Players like Fedorov and Shanahan do not.


This is the big thing. In his prime, Feds was one of the most absurdly phenomenal guys to ever play the game and a big part of the Wings' resurrection and dominance in the 90s. But you need to have had a very special relationship with the Wings' organization if you're going to have any hope of the organization raising your number.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE (Rivalred @ April 27, 2009 - 06:25PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Guess that person was misinformed. I always consider the source, usually. Just to make it clear, I did not think you were calling the organization classless.

I am just stating the word classless should not be used to describe this organization because most of us at least know it is false.

Yeah, that's really why the post stuck in my head so well. I remember being completely taken aback by it and thinking "The Wings? Classless? Well.. okay then." tongue.gif
QUOTE (Datsyerberger @ January 19, 2009 - 01:32PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A new Lemieux-McCarty fight, as seen by internet forum posters.

Lemieux cheapshots a player with his walker, drawing the ire of D-Mac, who hobbles over. They draw their canes, salute, and cross them, then proceed to repeatedly whack eachother over the heads while hanging onto the bench with their other hands for balance. D-Mac then hits Lemieux's hip, which gives out, Lemieux feebly falls to the ground, crumpling as D-Mac continues to land barely noticeable Yoda-esque cane strikes. Lemieux's age begins catching up to him, crying "what a world, what a world..!" as he melts into a puddle of goo.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 05:33 PM

QUOTE (Ms_Hockey @ April 27, 2009 - 06:30PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, that's really why the post stuck in my head so well. I remember being completely taken aback by it and thinking "The Wings? Classless? Well.. okay then." tongue.gif


Well, to be honest. Some do think the Wings organization is unfair with what they did with one former players number. Something on the order they "un-retired" it and Illitch tried to get protesters arrested.
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE (Rivalred @ April 27, 2009 - 06:33PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, to be honest. Some do think the Wings organization is unfair with what they did with one former players number. Something on the order they "un-retired" it and Illitch tried to get protesters arrested.

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What player?
QUOTE (Datsyerberger @ January 19, 2009 - 01:32PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A new Lemieux-McCarty fight, as seen by internet forum posters.

Lemieux cheapshots a player with his walker, drawing the ire of D-Mac, who hobbles over. They draw their canes, salute, and cross them, then proceed to repeatedly whack eachother over the heads while hanging onto the bench with their other hands for balance. D-Mac then hits Lemieux's hip, which gives out, Lemieux feebly falls to the ground, crumpling as D-Mac continues to land barely noticeable Yoda-esque cane strikes. Lemieux's age begins catching up to him, crying "what a world, what a world..!" as he melts into a puddle of goo.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 05:40 PM

QUOTE (Ms_Hockey @ April 27, 2009 - 06:36PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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What player?


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Posted 27 April 2009 - 05:42 PM

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What player?

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