titanium2 867 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 So we're basing Holland's managerial skills on rumoured situations? We're not supposed to include the re-signings of a franchise forward and a budding goal scorer. Not on LGW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 So we're basing Holland's managerial skills on rumoured situations? Perhaps Sykora's situation is merely rumored, but the Williams offer has been confirmed. Also, if we would have traded away a bit of salary, I think we could have re-signed Hossa and then wouldn't be worrying about our current situation. I do believe we're in a real mess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Lol, the two worst free agents available and Kenny decides to go for them. He's made some really "questionable" decisions this off-season..... I've only questioned Kenny once, it was after the loss to Edmonton. He did a pretty good job that season. I'm questioning him again, he never should've bothered with Hossa, and should've decided earlier what to do with Samuelsson and Hudler. Great moves to get Z and Franzen locked up long term, but if Williams is one of the FA acquisitions, it's a seriously lost off-season. Been there and worked, Raffi Torres happened, and it didnt work so well after that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lidstrom for Norris 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Hes worth about $5 and a bag of pucks... point made Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Whatever. My main point is that there are still WAY better options at this point than Williams and Sykora. Pyatt? Grier? Even Bertuzzi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjm502 165 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 I've only questioned Kenny once, it was after the loss to Edmonton. He did a pretty good job that season. I'm questioning him again, he never should've bothered with Hossa, and should've decided earlier what to do with Samuelsson and Hudler. Great moves to get Z and Franzen locked up long term, but if Williams is one of the FA acquisitions, it's a seriously lost off-season. Been there and worked, Raffi Torres happened, and it didnt work so well after that. He did not expect to get Hossa, who would have ever thought we would have? He was planning on letting Sammy go since mid season, and offered Hudler a fair contract. Hudler was the one that was being an idiot, but he is gone now. Also, he offered Williams a CHEAP contract. Holland knows what he is doing. He did not make any bad moves, he has also stated he has offered contracts to multiple other players, Williams is just being public about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 He did not expect to get Hossa, who would have ever thought we would have? He was planning on letting Sammy go since mid season, and offered Hudler a fair contract. Hudler was the one that was being an idiot, but he is gone now. Also, he offered Williams a CHEAP contract. Holland knows what he is doing. He did not make any bad moves, he has also stated he has offered contracts to multiple other players, Williams is just being public about it. Really hope you're right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Perhaps Sykora's situation is merely rumored, but the Williams offer has been confirmed. Also, if we would have traded away a bit of salary, I think we could have re-signed Hossa and then wouldn't be worrying about our current situation. I do believe we're in a real mess. The fact that an offer was made was confirmed. The price they offered him has not been confirmed. Given that Williams seemed unimpressed and unhappy with the offer, and given how retarded the rumoured amount is, it's safe to assume the contract offered was significantly lower than 2.5 million. They offered the contract 2 weeks ago. In this market, Williams would've jumped at a $300,000 raise. He's flat out said the balls in the Wings' court, meaning he's tossed a number back at him. No way he thinks he can get more than 2.5 million a season from the Wings in this situation. That 2.5 million dollar number is utter bulls***. Take a look at the numbers more closely, there was no way to intelligently add a >5 million dollar Hossa to this roster. The Wings would have had to ditch committed veteran players like Draper and Holmstrom along with convincing some of their NTC players to go. That would be suicide for the Wings' lockerroom/team culture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yak19 303 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Do Not WANT! Prospal, Malholtra, Betts, and Grier (along with a handful of others) over Sykora. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Do Not WANT! Prospal, Malholtra, Betts, and Grier (along with a handful of others) over Sykora. Oh yea, forgot about Prospal's buyout. Would be absolutely awesome to land him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LidsFan 68 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 I am going to root for whoever the Wings sign, as long as he is a hard worker and a team player. And this player may surprise everyone and have a great year. This is my hope anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 With Prospal's buy out the Wings could offer him anything in the range of $750,000 to $1,500,000 and he'd be making 2.25-3 million a year all tings considered. Of course there are like 28 other teams thinking the same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Vinny 1 of those guys who's hot 1 year - then relatively cold the next? Yupp, he was garbage last year, so offer him and cheap 1 year deal and it could be worth it. However I dont want Prospal, I wish Philly had room, I actually really enjoyed Vinnys play while he was there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Yupp, he was garbage last year, so offer him and cheap 1 year deal and it could be worth it. However I dont want Prospal, I wish Philly had room, I actually really enjoyed Vinnys play while he was there. meh, don't really think 19 goals and 45 points is considered "garbage". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Vinny 1 of those guys who's hot 1 year - then relatively cold the next? Sort of. He's usually good for 20 goals a season, though. 08/09: 82 games / 19 G / 26 A / 45 pts 07/08: 80 games / 33 G / 38 A / 71 pts 06/07: 82 games / 14 G / 41 A / 55 pts 05/06: 81 games / 25 G / 55 A / 80 pts 03/04: 82 games / 19 G / 35 A / 54 pts 02/03: 82 games / 22 G / 57 A / 79 pts 01/02: 81 games / 18 G / 37 A / 55 pts 00/01: 79 games / 5 G / 24 A / 29 pts 99/00: 79 games / 22 G / 33 A / 55 pts The handful of seasons earlier than these he was still figuring out the game. As you can see, he's had a steady output of about 20 goals a season for quite some time. He's 34, but I don't think his productive years have completely passed. He's only one year removed from a 71 pt season. His off years seem to be 50 pts with his on years at 80 pts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) f*** no. Why? 1. He sucks. 2. He's a Penguin. A non-Malkin Penguin. Yeah such a shame that Holland signed those ex-pens conklin and Hossa. They did s*** for us. We probably would have won the cup without them. GET SYKORA! He could be had for cheap, this would be great. I'd rather have Prospal, but I'd be very happy with Sykora. Edited July 31, 2009 by Z and D for the C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kylee 727 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Prospal is #1 on my shortlist. id MUCH rather see him with the Wings than jason williams and co. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 For cheap I would take him. I was actually thinking about him a while ago but didn't think they would go after him. He will want to prove himself after the playoffs last year where he was a healthy scratch. I'll wait and see what happens. Again I'm a fan on a message board so I'll let the real guys take care of it and then wait and see hwo it works out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Free_Candy 38 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) For what it's worth, Sykora did OK with us in Pittsburgh, and finally got himself a hat trick last fall. Then his play went off a cliff when Bylsma came aboard. There was an article out of a Czech publication that quoted him throwing Bylsma under the bus, though his agent denied it later on. I suspect he might have said something but didn't really think it would catch on and wanted to save face. In any case there is the possibility that he resented being in a coach-player situation with a former teammate. Or it simply might be that he doesn't play well with more aggressive uptempo systems. Which in that case, for Detroit, buyer beware. I still think Sykie is a great locker room guy to have around but I don't blame you for not wanting. He might have something left in the tank but wouldn't be worth it beyond a certain price. Edited July 31, 2009 by Free_Candy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ZetterbergFourty Report post Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) Yeah such a shame that Holland signed those ex-pens conklin and Hossa. They did s*** for us. We probably would have won the cup without them. GET SYKORA! He could be had for cheap, this would be great. I'd rather have Prospal, but I'd be very happy with Sykora. I dont know if the line about Conklin and Hossa is sarcasm or not, but no, they really didnt do a god damn thing to help the Red Wings. Still would have made the playoffs without Hossa's 40 goals, and you know, whatever it is Conklin did. He won the outdoor game so what? No more Penguins. Sykora is no Hossa, f***'im. I'd rather Holland land Prospal than Sykora. Edited July 31, 2009 by ZetterbergFourty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) I dont know if the line about Conklin and Hossa is sarcasm or not, but no, they really didnt do a god damn thing to help the Red Wings. Still would have made the playoffs without Hossa's 40 goals, and you know, whatever it is Conklin did. He won the outdoor game so what? No more Penguins. Sykora is no Hossa, f***'im. I'd rather Holland land Prospal than Sykora. Didn't do a god damn thing? Give me a break dude. Ty Conklin won the outdoor game plus 24 other ones. He won 25 games. That's half of their wins. You really think that didnt help them get into the playoffs? You think Jimmy Howard does that? Take away Hossa's goals and the Wings score 249 goals and give up 240. Yeah maybe some guys step it up without him but 40 goals worth? I doubt it. Edited July 31, 2009 by StevieY9802 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Yeah such a shame that Holland signed those ex-pens conklin and Hossa. They did s*** for us. We probably would have won the cup without them. GET SYKORA! He could be had for cheap, this would be great. I'd rather have Prospal, but I'd be very happy with Sykora. We did last year. Actually, I shouldn't say anything bad about Conklin. He didn't play in the playoffs, so I can't say he was the reason we lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peleshob 0 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 All things considered, getting Prospal for like 1.5 million, picking up Grier for like 700K and moving Lebda/Meech or having Lilja on LTIR would be my ideal situation. I can dream, can't I? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted July 31, 2009 Wouldn't be opposed to a move like this at the right price. Maybe ex-Penguin experiment number two might work out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaymister 71 Report post Posted August 1, 2009 Sykora is very streaky scorer, he might play well with Hank or Pavel for stretchs. He has limited upside though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
