The Chris Osgood discussion thread

[Carman 387]

Howard is improving, just like many will with more playing time. I still think he is caught out of position too many times as he plays to far out of the net. Hope this area he improves on; i.e. the 1st goal tonight and then during the end of the 3rd where he lost his stick.

Rafalski was to blame on the first goal, second goal was a bad decision though I'll give you that.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Rafalski was to blame on the first goal, second goal was a bad decision though I'll give you that.

No, Howard was to blame on the first goal. He tried to dive in and put himself in a terrible position and the Avs were able to just poke it in.

[Carman 387]

I believe the assertion was that he doesn't play AS well. Which he didn't.

Goalies usually don't have better numbers against top teams compared to lower seeded teams. He is winning as a rookie, and putting up damn good numbers doing it.

[Outsider 42]

No way Howard can play well verse "real" competition. As evident by his performance tonight. Oh wait...

Howard played well enough tonight. The difference tonight from so many other nights, against so many other opponents, is that the WINGS played well.

They controlled the Game from puck drop to final horn. This was the most complete Game they've played in a long time.

However, Howard earned the Win tonight. He did his job. I give him full credit for tonight's game. And yes....against a quality opponent.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Howard is improving, just like many will with more playing time. I still think he is caught out of position too many times as he plays to far out of the net. Hope this area he improves on; i.e. the 1st goal tonight and then during the end of the 3rd where he lost his stick.

He also really needs to work on his decisionmaking when playing the puck. Anytime he goes behind the net, it seems like he turns it over.

He needs to communicate better in those situations because he's had a lot of close calls. He's not as bad as Hasek, but not much better.

[Carman 387]

No, Howard was to blame on the first goal. He tried to dive in and put himself in a terrible position and the Avs were able to just poke it in.

You're right my bad, got the goals mixed up. I meant the second goal where Rafalski tripped over Howard. Howard wasn't able to challenge because of Ralaski's poor positioning.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Goalies usually don't have better numbers against top teams compared to lower seeded teams. He is winning as a rookie, and putting up damn good numbers doing it.

So you think this was just like all his others?

This was between his game in Dallas and in Chicago. (Btw I thought he did pretty well against Chicago)

[Rivalred 630]

Rafalski was to blame on the first goal, second goal was a bad decision though I'll give you that.

All Howard...

No, Howard was to blame on the first goal. He tried to dive in and put himself in a terrible position and the Avs were able to just poke it in.

Yip...

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

You're right my bad, got the goals mixed up. I meant the second goal where Rafalski tripped over Howard. Howard wasn't able to challenge because of Ralaski's poor positioning.

Probably wouldn't have mattered anyway, after Rafalski fell it was a bang-bang cross crease play, goalie's really got nothing to do with it.

First goal he should have played better but overall I'll take it.

[Outsider 42]

What do you think the reason for that is? That's alot of coddling. Surely we've faced good teams since then right?

Do you see the point now?

Yes. We have. And of the "good" Teams we've faced, Osgood has gotten the tougher of the assignments.

Oh bulls***. Howard's faced teams ranked 2nd, 3rd and 4th in that time span so save it.

I gave him credit for Phoenix. I give him credit for tonight. Now, kindly advise as to how it is you think the Wings "should" have lost this Game? They outplayed a tired Colorado Team which played last night.....all night. This was a total Team effort.

I'd wager I'm better at interpreting comments than you and I don't see much similar, and not enough to just blindly pin it as a similar scenario. Conklin was a proven goalie prior to coming here who could've been a starter elsewhere. Howard was a rookie who looked shakier than any other rookie I've seen in years. And you're telling me it has nothing to do with grooming Howard? C'mon man.

I'm gonna go ahead and doubt that. It's what I do for a living......

Conklin has never been, nor will ever be, a Starter. Not anywhere. Period. He's a career back-up. Howard was fantastic in Training Camp last year, but wasn't going to unseat Conklin. Period.

And of course they're grooming Howard.

That is why they're coddling him along....building his confidence....and putting him in the best possible position to succeed.

Again, why hasn't Ozzie started any of them? This is such bulls*** and you're blind if you believe it.

Osgood faced off against Chicago and Nashville recently. Your assertion that Babcock isn't playing Osgood against the better Teams "anymore" is false.

We'll see, I suppose. We shall see.

[Outsider 42]

He also really needs to work on his decisionmaking when playing the puck. Anytime he goes behind the net, it seems like he turns it over.

He needs to communicate better in those situations because he's had a lot of close calls. He's not as bad as Hasek, but not much better.

Now that's just crazy talk. Hasek was a NUT JOB when he came out to play the puck, whether behind the net or otherwise.

Howard is MUCH better in that regard. WORLDS better.

[Rivalred 630]

He also really needs to work on his decisionmaking when playing the puck. Anytime he goes behind the net, it seems like he turns it over.

He needs to communicate better in those situations because he's had a lot of close calls. He's not as bad as Hasek, but not much better.

Totally agree.

Difference is with Hasek, the team had the luxury of of him making mistakes as they could easily put up another goal or 2. At this point in time, scoring has been sparse at best.

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

Totally agree.

Difference is with Hasek, the team had the luxury of of him making mistakes as they could easily put up another goal or 2. At this point in time, scoring has been sparse at best.

pssch. Hasek looked out of place playing the puck for sure... but he almost never wound up with a puck in his net because of it.

[Rivalred 630]

pssch. Hasek looked out of place playing the puck for sure... but he almost never wound up with a puck in his net because of it.

Ahh, there were plenty of times he was caught out of the net and was scored upon. If not, he would push the net off and take a penalty.

Edited January 1, 2010 by Rivalred

[Outsider 42]

pssch. Hasek looked out of place playing the puck for sure... but he almost never wound up with a puck in his net because of it.

That's not true. Dom had plenty of "D'oh!" moments playing the puck.

[Rivalred 630]

That's not true. Dom had plenty of "D'oh!" moments playing the puck.

Agreed.

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

That's not true. Dom had plenty of "D'oh!" moments playing the puck.

I've found the rate of occurance to be highly exaggerated is all... tho I didn't imply there were none

[Outsider 42]

Ahh, there were plenty of times he was caught out of the net and was scored upon. If not, he would push the net off and take a penalty.

I remember one game in particular, during his first Season with Detroit, he's standing there, arguing with an opposing Player while the puck is cycling around in his end of the ice, and someone just shoots it into the net.

Hully was standing right there in front of him with a "What are you doing?" type of look on his face. Classic.

I wish I could remember which game it was. I have it on tape, somewhere.

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

I remember one game in particular, during his first Season with Detroit, he's standing there, arguing with an opposing Player while the puck is cycling around in his end of the ice, and someone just shoots it into the net.

Hully was standing right there in front of him with a "What are you doing?" type of look on his face. Classic.

I wish I could remember which game it was. I have it on tape, somewhere.

How's that related to playing the puck?

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

anyways, i'm bored of goalie talk. happy new yr all, time for drinking.

[Dominator2005 558]

Hasek sucks and Osgood is GOD!!!

[Rivalred 630]

I've found the rate of occurance to be highly exaggerated is all... tho I didn't imply there were none

It happened a lot more than what you think.

I remember one game in particular, during his first Season with Detroit, he's standing there, arguing with an opposing Player while the puck is cycling around in his end of the ice, and someone just shoots it into the net.

Hully was standing right there in front of him with a "What are you doing?" type of look on his face. Classic.

I wish I could remember which game it was. I have it on tape, somewhere.

Remember this one?

[Outsider 42]

How's that related to playing the puck?

<sigh>

It's not related to playing the puck. It's related to "coming out of the net", and was in response to Rivalred's assertion that "Ahh, there were plenty of times he was caught out of the net and was scored upon."

I believe the Game was against the Blues. And I think, (I think......), it was Keith Tkachuck who "bumped" into Dom in the crease. Dom literally skates OUT of the crease, by about 5 or so feet, and is standing there, off to the side of the net, arguing face-to-face with Chunky, while the play is in the Detroit zone.

I can't remember who it was, but the opposing player just fires it into the, (literally), completely vacated net with a "You're kidding me, aren't you?" type of look, while Hully turns to Hasek with a "Whaaaat?" expression.

It was quite funny to watch, actually. Reading about it probably doesn't do it justice.

[Outsider 42]

It happened a lot more than what you think.

Remember this one?

LOL. Yes. I remember that one, too.

There were also a number of instances where Dom took a little "tap" or "bump", and crumpled to the ice like he'd been shot with a howitzer, or run over by a freight train.....

The Refs/Linesman, taking note of the obvious dive, would ignore him completely, and an opposing player would fire the puck into the empty net while Dom was rolling around on the ice "in pain."

Edit:

A perfect example of the "dive then writhe while scored upon" is included in this clip:

Edited January 1, 2010 by Outsider

[Guest zackmorris]

Yes. We have. And of the "good" Teams we've faced, Osgood has gotten the tougher of the assignments.

Yeah and you're telling me that they'd break Howard's hot streak if we up and played Washington tomorrow? Bulls***. Why was he in net tonight? You haven't answered that yet.

Howard being shaky early has nothing to do with it right?

I gave him credit for Phoenix. I give him credit for tonight. Now, kindly advise as to how it is you think the Wings "should" have lost this Game? They outplayed a tired Colorado Team which played last night.....all night. This was a total Team effort.

I wasn't talking about the outcome. I asked why he got the start.

I'm gonna go ahead and doubt that. It's what I do for a living......

I don't care. You've shown enough bias that I'll go ahead and call bulls*** on you all night. I'm logical, you're fanatical. Act a different way and we'll have a whole new conversation.

Conklin has never been, nor will ever be, a Starter. Not anywhere. Period.

Oh shut up, after last year the consensus agreed he could've started elsewhere. It was one of the biggest reasons he left. He just keeps taking backup jobs.

And of course they're grooming Howard.

That is why they're coddling him along....building his confidence....and putting him in the best possible position to succeed.

Playing teams who rank 1st to 4th in the entire conference is not being coddled, you're just upset and being argumentative.

Osgood complains. We're 10th place. We NEED wins. We can't score at all. Our defense was s***. Yet coddling our goalie is more important than all of this?

You're seriously trying to tell us that?! Are you typing all of it with a straight face!?

I'll repeat, we're out of the playoffs and need wins. And Osgood isn't in net. Tell me why you think that is? Are Washington and SJ the only good teams in hockey?

Osgood faced off against Chicago and Nashville recently. Your assertion that Babcock isn't playing Osgood against the better Teams "anymore" is false.

WHY. WAS. HE. NOT. PLAYING. TONIGHT.

?

Simple question. Stop ducking it. We're a 10th place team fighting for wins. The better goalie is going to get the starts, esp tonight. Why did Jimmy start?

Edited January 1, 2010 by zackmorris