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[up2here]

So I was reading that Mario was inducted into the order of Canada yesterday and it got me to thinkin about Stevie. I want to take nothing away from Mario because I became a big fan of his later in his career but I dont know if he deserves this honor and if he does then Stevie certainly also deserves to get it. Some fans will remember that Mario refused to play for Canada MANY times in his career and played his entire career in the US. When its all said and done Stevie has more career points, more World Championship and Olympic medals, more Stanley Cups and also managed the team that just won the Gold in Vancouver.

[egroen]

So I was reading that Mario was inducted into the order of Canada yesterday and it got me to thinkin about Stevie. I want to take nothing away from Mario because I became a big fan of his later in his career but I dont know if he deserves this honor and if he does then Stevie certainly also deserves to get it. Some fans will remember that Mario refused to play for Canada MANY times in his career and played his entire career in the US. When its all said and done Stevie has more career points, more World Championship and Olympic medals, more Stanley Cups and also managed the team that just won the Gold in Vancouver.

Yzerman would never bow down to a british monarch.

[up2here]

Yzerman would never bow down to a british monarch.

As much as I want to agree with you I cant. Stevie is a proud Canadian and proud honorary American, I'm sure he would accept the honor with the class in which he's done everything in his career. As long as the Queen doesnt show him "The Big Book Of British Smiles".

[Stolberg]

Lemieux was 5x the player as Yzerman ever was.

[vladdy16]

As much as I want to agree with you I cant. Stevie is a proud Canadian and proud honorary American, I'm sure he would accept the honor with the class in which he's done everything in his career. As long as the Queen doesnt show him "The Big Book Of British Smiles".

Stevie is a proud American citizen now.

Lemieux was 5x the player as Yzerman ever was.

BAHhahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha!!!

[Stolberg]

Yeah that might be hyperbole. Maybe 4 times better. That sounds pretty good.

[up2here]

Lemieux was 5x the player as Yzerman ever was.

I wouldnt argue with anyone who said Mario was a better offensive player but even that argument is close. As far as defensive play,face-offs and leadeship thats where it isnt close. Steve was 1000 times better than Mario in those areas.

[SweWings]

Lemieux was 5x the player as Yzerman ever was.

Obvious troll is still a troll

[cusimano_brothers]

[up2here]

I think I will hang that picture up with some duct tape.

[cusimano_brothers]

Step #1 of the process is easy.

[SweWings]

Step #1 of the process is easy.

I wonder how many "regular joes" get submitted every year...

[MacK_Attack]

Yzerman will get his day for the Order of Canada at some point.

But Mario certainly deserves it for all he has done for hockey. Mario probably had the most natural talent I've ever seen in a hockey player.

[cusimano_brothers]

There are three levels of the honour; Lemieux is a "Member" and by defintion, from gg.ca :

Member (C.M.)
The Member of the Order of Canada recognizes a lifetime of distinguished service in or to a particular community, group or field of activity.

Good for Mr. Lemieux. Mr. Yzerman will also receive this honour, sooner rather than later.

[GMRwings1983]

Lemieux is one of the 3 or 4 best hockey players of all time. Yzerman was great, but isn't a top 5 all time player.

As far as playing for Canada, Mario did that in 1987 and 2002 memorably. He was injured a lot and had cancer, which is one of the reasons he didn't play for Canada more often.

Yzerman will probably get that honor as well, but I'm not surprised that Mario got it before him, and am certainly not going to gripe about it.

[Stolberg]

Obvious troll is still a troll

Yes, someone with a different opinion than yours is a troll. Got it.

[Shady Ultima]

I'd say Lemieux was MUCH better offensively, as already stated, but have to agree, Stevie had the edge for the other side of the game.

[GMRwings1983]

I'd say Lemieux was MUCH better offensively, as already stated, but have to agree, Stevie had the edge for the other side of the game.

Being a great two way center wasn't all that important in the 80's. Hence Yzerman and Lemieux weren't considered defensive shut down centers in the 80's. Lemieux did score a bunch of shorthanded goals, though, so I wouldn't call him terrible defensively.

Yzerman's game changed with Bowman's influence and the fact that Stevie was no longer counted on to carry the team offensively. Lemieux never had to do that, because he was always counted on to lead the team statistically.

Bottom line is that Datsyuk is better defensively than Gretzky. What does that prove about who was the better player?

[Electrophile]

Edit: That section only applies to members of the government -- never mind.


I feel like Emily Litella now.

Edited by Electrophile, 03 September 2010 - 10:02 PM.

[Reds4Life]

Lemieux was 5x the player as Yzerman ever was.

Agreed. If that. I mean seriously, Lemieux is 1-4 all time, Yzerman is top30-40.

As for Steve Y better defensively? Who cares? Lemieux is so much better offensively that his defense is irrelevant. The other team prayed they do not get scored on. Mario is up there with Gordie Howe. And do not forget - Yzerman was great defensively when he scored around 80 points, he was not good defensively when he was in his offensive prime.

But since this is LGW and most people are Yzerman worshipers, we are gonna get a lot of neg points.

Edited by Reds4Life, 04 September 2010 - 07:59 AM.