Yak19 303 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 No more Hudler, Modano (bless him), and Salei Sign Wisniewski and Richards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 Silly is, with Helm and Kronwall also on expiring contracts, Hudler is the raise you're worried about. I already stated that Kronwall's raise was covered by Lidstrom retiring. Helm is an RFA, Hudler is a UFA. That makes Hudler's a million times more dangerous because the Wings can take Helm to arbitration if they don't get him signed. Helm will get a deal in arbitration that makes him a UFA, so the Wings WILL take him to arbitration if it comes to that. Helm will not be signing an offer sheet, so I don't know what you are concerned about. If Helm makes it to the RFA period in the summer of 2012, Holland f***ed up. Plain and simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MGreenberg 105 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 If Helm makes it to the RFA period in the summer of 2012, Holland f***ed up. Plain and simple. And if Hudler is still on this team come next season, Holland really f***ed up. 4 redwingfan19, Wings_Rule_1010, F.Michael and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 2, 2011 Are we watching the same league? Yes. Hudler is about as one-dimensional as they come. He's small, slow and lacks anything in the way of defensive awareness. He has a very limited role. Have you some other examples to list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Yes. Hudler is about as one-dimensional as they come. He's small, slow and lacks anything in the way of defensive awareness. He has a very limited role. Have you some other examples to list? You missed my point. It was nothing about Hudler. You said large contracts aren't offered to one-dimensional players, a statement I find rather laughable (and can cite a number of examples of just that). Hence me quoting: One-dimensional roleplayers don't get huge contracts. And not Of course, you seem incapable of understanding that Hudler is either one-dimensional or a roleplayer. Edited June 2, 2011 by Datsyerberger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 And if Hudler is still on this team come next season, Holland really f***ed up. What if Hudler has a break out year, after one full season + back... you gonna man up and admit you were wrong and eat crow? His trade value is at an all time low right now, and he still has potential... he is most likely going to see his contract out to at least the deadline next season, unless a team SPECIFICALLY asks for him in a trade that's too good for Holland to pass up... and for the record - Holland does not f' up, he is the only man to have ever beaten up Chuck Norris. fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MGreenberg 105 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 What if Hudler has a break out year, after one full season + back... you gonna man up and admit you were wrong and eat crow? His trade value is at an all time low right now, and he still has potential... he is most likely going to see his contract out to at least the deadline next season, unless a team SPECIFICALLY asks for him in a trade that's too good for Holland to pass up... and for the record - Holland does not f' up, he is the only man to have ever beaten up Chuck Norris. fact. If he has a breakout year, I will be amazed and by break out year, I am talking at least 20 goals and 60 points or more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 If he has a breakout year, I will be amazed and by break out year, I am talking at least 20 goals and 60 points or more. as am I... I'm not saying I expect it of him and to be honest, I think he peaked before he left for Russia, but I also think he could come back determined and shut everyone up, it's all on him... With that said, people give up on him too easily... he had a couple flashes of brilliance this year and if he can spend majority of the year on Datsyuk's wing, he could have a breakout year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtrememachine1 795 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 as am I... I'm not saying I expect it of him and to be honest, I think he peaked before he left for Russia, but I also think he could come back determined and shut everyone up, it's all on him... With that said, people give up on him too easily... he had a couple flashes of brilliance this year and if he can spend majority of the year on Datsyuk's wing, he could have a breakout year... I feel like we've been saying that about Hudler for the last 3 seasons. This is a contract year though, so now or never for Huds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MGreenberg 105 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 as am I... I'm not saying I expect it of him and to be honest, I think he peaked before he left for Russia, but I also think he could come back determined and shut everyone up, it's all on him... With that said, people give up on him too easily... he had a couple flashes of brilliance this year and if he can spend majority of the year on Datsyuk's wing, he could have a breakout year... A lot of people could have a great year on Datsyuk's Wing. If he plays on Datsyuk's Wing, I would probably give more credit to Datsyuk than Hudler if he has a big points year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 I feel like we've been saying that about Hudler for the last 3 seasons. This is a contract year though, so now or never for Huds. I'm not really sure where you're going with this... he had a down year last year, was in Russia the season before that and the previous 2 seasons he improved each year... the year in Russia set him back, thats for sure, so this year will be the make it or break it for him... A lot of people could have a great year on Datsyuk's Wing. If he plays on Datsyuk's Wing, I would probably give more credit to Datsyuk than Hudler if he has a big points year. Top players play with top players. In order for him to progress into what he was hoped to be/projected to be, he needs top 6 minutes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 A lot of people could have a great year on Datsyuk's Wing. If he plays on Datsyuk's Wing, I would probably give more credit to Datsyuk than Hudler if he has a big points year. Lol, fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtrememachine1 795 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 I'm not really sure where you're going with this... he had a down year last year, was in Russia the season before that and the previous 2 seasons he improved each year... the year in Russia set him back, thats for sure, so this year will be the make it or break it for him... My only thought is every off season, we're always saying "Next year could be Hudler's breakout year". 23 goals and 34 assists could be the ceiling for this guy. At what point do you stop waiting for it? After this season, since its a contract year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robb himself 143 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 if we end up keeping Hudler, this is the team I would like to see next season. Hudler, Datsyuk, Franzen Filppula, Zetterberg, Cleary Bertuzzi, Helm, Eaves Mursak, Emmerton, Holmstrom Lidstrom, Wisniewski Kronwall, Pitkanen Stuart, Kindl Howard MacDonald Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 My only thought is every off season, we're always saying "Next year could be Hudler's breakout year". 23 goals and 34 assists could be the ceiling for this guy. At what point do you stop waiting for it? After this season, since its a contract year? Agreed, I'm just not willing to write him off yet, nor do I think he's the greatest thing since wheat beer... I'm in a "let's see what he does" mode... this year is a make it or break it year for him Lol, fact. Bears eat beats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 if we end up keeping Hudler, this is the team I would like to see next season. Hudler, Datsyuk, Franzen Filppula, Zetterberg, Cleary Bertuzzi, Helm, Eaves Mursak, Emmerton, Holmstrom Lidstrom, Wisniewski Kronwall, Pitkanen Stuart, Kindl Howard MacDonald I like this lineup you proposed. I think you need to give Hudler every opportunity to succeed. Who knows, stranger things have happened. I think Bertuzzi is a guy you can shift up and down, same with Filppula (those two could switch spots as you have it). You did forget Abdelkader, as he'll be our 4th line center, making Emmerton the 13th forward. I like your defensive pairings too. I honestly think Wiz will be a wing next season and Pitkanen could follow as well (his ex-teammate Eaves is already here!) I could even see us landing Jokinen with Pitkanen if Holland thinks he could fit in. This would make Emmerton the 14th forward at that point and push Mursak into a part-time role. Competitition is good for these young guys. I honestly do not think MacDonald will be or should be our full-time backup 'tender. He was okay filling in last season, but I'm not confident in him being "the guy" if Howard gets hurt at all. You'd be much better off trying to trade for Nabokov at league minimum, Conklin, Hedberg, Boucher, etc... There is a plethora of backups available this season, so why not go and get one, unless Ozzie has one more season in him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Agreed, I'm just not willing to write him off yet, nor do I think he's the greatest thing since wheat beer... I'm in a "let's see what he does" mode... this year is a make it or break it year for him Bears eat beats. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica. Edited June 2, 2011 by Konnan511 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 2, 2011 if we end up keeping Hudler, this is the team I would like to see next season. Hudler, Datsyuk, Franzen Filppula, Zetterberg, Cleary Bertuzzi, Helm, Eaves Mursak, Emmerton, Holmstrom Lidstrom, Wisniewski Kronwall, Pitkanen Stuart, Kindl Howard MacDonald You really want Hudler to play defense against the top line of other teams? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 You really want Hudler to play defense against the top line of other teams? So much hatred... did Hudler bang your mom or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,770 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) I'm not really sure where you're going with this... he had a down year last year, was in Russia the season before that and the previous 2 seasons he improved each year... the year in Russia set him back, thats for sure, so this year will be the make it or break it for him... Top players play with top players. In order for him to progress into what he was hoped to be/projected to be, he needs top 6 minutes... I agree with what you're saying here, but I still don't like the idea of Hudler seeing those kinds of minutes. Sure he would have more points, but he'd also be responsible for defending top six forwards from other teams and I don't think he's got the skill set to do that. Nevermind the big power forwards, I don't think he could manage defending guys like Kane, Sharp, etc. I'd like to see Hudler go but it's not because he's a terrible player, he's a decent player, but he's realistically not ever going to be in your top six consistently (if for no other reason than he can't match up) and he makes too much money to be floundering around on the third line with marginal production. Incidently, there's a lot of responsibility for his floundering which rests on his shoulders alone. Eaves and Miller both had as good or better years than Hudler without the ice time or the games played...and those guys never had the benefit of playing consistently with Filpula, Franzen, Cleary, Z, or Datsyuk. End of the day, I wouldn't be sad to see him go, but if he stays, he better earn that three million dollar contract...fast. Edited June 2, 2011 by kipwinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 I agree with what you're saying here, but I still don't like the idea of Hudler seeing those kinds of minutes. Sure he would have more points, but he'd also be responsible for defending top six forwards from other teams and I don't think he's got the skill set to do that. Nevermind the big power forwards, I don't think he could manage defending guys like Kane, Sharp, etc. I'd like to see Hudler go but it's not because he's a terrible player, he's a decent player, but he's realistically not ever going to be in your top six consistently (if for no other reason than he can't match up) and he makes too much money to be floundering around on the third line with marginal production. Incidently, there's a lot of responsibility for his floundering which rests on his shoulders alone. Eaves and Miller both had as good or better years than Hudler without the ice time or the games played...and those guys never had the benefit of playing consistently with Filpula, Franzen, Cleary, Z, or Datsyuk. End of the day, I wouldn't be sad to see him sad to go, but if he stays, he better earn that three million dollar contract...fast. Well, I personally would love to see Eaves given more chance in an offensive role, but that's a separate topic... like you just stated, he's earning top 6 dollars and needs to be given the minutes to show that he deserves it and if he doesn't then we walk away at the end of next year, but he has to be given the opportunity... also, when he was playing with Dats, even his defense seemed to improve, I think Dats is a great influence on him and being on the ice with him seems to raise Hudler's game, plus he's a natural shooter, which we need... like I've already stated, this year is make or break and he has a LOT to prove, but those already writing him off are jumping the gun... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,770 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 Well, I personally would love to see Eaves given more chance in an offensive role, but that's a separate topic... like you just stated, he's earning top 6 dollars and needs to be given the minutes to show that he deserves it and if he doesn't then we walk away at the end of next year, but he has to be given the opportunity... also, when he was playing with Dats, even his defense seemed to improve, I think Dats is a great influence on him and being on the ice with him seems to raise Hudler's game, plus he's a natural shooter, which we need... like I've already stated, this year is make or break and he has a LOT to prove, but those already writing him off are jumping the gun... I agree with almost all of what you've said. But let's be honest, it's pretty much a given that we'll make the playoffs again next year, and look at the quality forwards (skill and size) and the top six of any other Western Conference playoff worthy team. It's still a mismatch any way you cut it. When the games matter as much as they do in the playoffs, I'm not willing to give Jiri the opportunity to play defense against REALLY good forwards. His -6 this season against third liners has already shown us that he's not capable. In his career he's been negative or zero in plus minus as often as he's been positive, and like I said, that's against third liners. You have to be able to play both ways to be a top six forward, not just score the points. At least on this team anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 whats karpat????? sounds cool Oulun Karpat is their SM-liiga team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted June 2, 2011 So much hatred... did Hudler bang your mom or something? Ah.. you couldn't come up with anything to respond to what I said, so you gave up. Cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 2, 2011 Ah.. you couldn't come up with anything to respond to what I said, so you gave up. Cool. I wasn't arguing with you in the first place and as I've stated many, many times, my stance on Hudler is quite neutral, it's just hard not to notice you're relentless, never-ending diatribe against him...if there are two ends of the spectrum, you're on one, eva is on the other... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
