nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, Dabura said: I do think the term on the deal is...well, if I'm a Blues fan I'm not super-thrilled about it. But I'm sure management is thinking short-term not long-term. In the here & now, this looks like a really good add. Faulk isn't a superstar, but then, Ryan O'Reilly and Alex Pietrangelo and Brayden Schenn and Jordan Binnington weren't superstars. Speaking of Pietrangelo...I mean, I'd love to see us get a shot at wooing him, but I fully expect him to stay in St. Louis. They'll find a way to pay him whatever he wants. As for Green...yeah, I'm not expecting a big return, assuming he even gets traded. I think pietrangelo is one of the better dmen in the league, blues don’t have too many guys putting up a ton of points of late but he’s capable of 50-60 and plays a ton of mins i think the Faulk deal was an assurance incase he bails and seeing as Faulk got 7 years if they don’t give him 7-8 years at 8-9 per he’s going .... there’s already talk here on sports shows of the leafs wanting the local kid , no idea how they make this happen lol just a lot of dream talk, even if they trade nylander they’d be getting salary back so ya won’t happen well I hope at the worst we land 2 2nds , a 2nd and a 3rd type deal for Green .... if he heads towards a 50 pt season and stays in shape and performs I’m hoping we can land a 1st especially if he’s the best dman available at the deadline , let’s hope man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: It’s not an easy league to win Didn't say it was 3 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: forgot all the times the wings had success and failed before s*** turned for us? No 3 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Is Carolina and every other failed team suppose to just fold up and move to the ahl now ? No 5 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: they have a much better team and overall prospect pool than us I’ll tell you that Ok 7 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Let them trade hamilton , I personally think he sucks I will. Cool. 8 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: they moved Faulk cause they didn’t wanna give him a 7 yr extension at almost 7 mill per Obviously 8 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: got Gardner at 4 mill x3 , I’d have done the same. You'd also downgrade your defense? Ok. 9 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Edmundson doesn’t put up the pts but he’s a solid dman Serviceable bottom pairing D. Overpaid by 1-1.5 mil. Sure. He was a throw in for cap reasons though. Carolina certainly didn't need him. 11 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: bokk is a good prospect for a guy they weren’t going to keep Anyway Bokk is ok. Could be a Bertuzzi, could be an Ehn. 14 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Don’t worry about carolina’s D corp getting worse(theyre Just Fine ) worry about our s***ty d Our D being bad doesn't mean this trade was awesome. The faux pas I think Carolina made is selling low on a guy they could have easily handed a contract and sold high on later. $7 million dollar tier Dmen can you bring you a huge return in this league. Bokk + Edmunson isn't a huge return for a player like that. They've saddled themselves with $7 million in extra cap between Marleau, Gardiner, and Edmundson, downgraded their D, and got Bokk and a low 1st for it. I'd have kept Faulk and looked for trades later. Probably could get 1st + Bokk + more and no cap issues. But to each their own I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,763 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 6 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: He’s not s*** just think there’s like 50 guys capable of being around the 30 pts mark and he’s one of them , I’d much rather have hronek right now going forward let’s say and I’d have not signed him to 7 years at almost 7 ... time will tell if the blues regret the deal , I think they will For the record, I wouldn't trade him for Hronek either. My point is simply that even if he is top 50, that's still a top 2 guy offensively speaking (and calling him "top 50 is probably underselling him). He does move move the needle for a team on offense, that's all I'm saying. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 17 hours ago, Akakabuto said: Been looking at your livefeed for a while now and you have yet to move an inch. Not even blinked. Fat shaming is a crime... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 11 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: You'd also downgrade your defense? Ok. Serviceable bottom pairing D. Overpaid by 1-1.5 mil. Sure. He was a throw in for cap reasons though. Carolina certainly didn't need him. Bokk is ok. Could be a Bertuzzi, could be an Ehn. Our D being bad doesn't mean this trade was awesome. The faux pas I think Carolina made is selling low on a guy they could have easily handed a contract and sold high on later. $7 million dollar tier Dmen can you bring you a huge return in this league. Bokk + Edmunson isn't a huge return for a player like that. They've saddled themselves with $7 million in extra cap between Marleau, Gardiner, and Edmundson, downgraded their D, and got Bokk and a low 1st for it. I'd have kept Faulk and looked for trades later. Probably could get 1st + Bokk + more and no cap issues. But to each their own I guess. Downgrading how? They weren’t going to lock him up longterm and he was gonna walk , edmundson is a good dman and Jake bean will probably get more playing time now with Faulk gone, I think they have a very good d core ... we’ll agree to disagree im sure there wouldn’t be too many teams looking to give Faulk almost 7 and keeping him around till 35 , not sure it’ll look good the blues by years 4-5 i think they got a good return back , it’s pretty much a 1st +3rd for a 30-35 pt Dman , what do you think mike green would have fetched ?they haven’t saddled themselves with anything they basically replaced Faulk with edmundson(whos a Ufa after one season) and Gardner to short term commitments and less $ and they also added a first round pick which if we should have pushed hard for to land and added bokk carolina has zero cap issues from the moves you listed ,they’ll send a body or two down and be more than ok for this season and have bokk + a 1st to show for it , they’re looking real good 5 hours ago, kliq said: For the record, I wouldn't trade him for Hronek either. My point is simply that even if he is top 50, that's still a top 2 guy offensively speaking (and calling him "top 50 is probably underselling him). He does move move the needle for a team on offense, that's all I'm saying. Your right he does move the play and can produce some #’s, just think there’s a lot of guys who can produce similar numbers who might also be a better defender and wouldnt have to be signed at almost 7 per till he’s 35 and for that reason I wouldn’t want him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, krsmith17 said: This is outrageous. We are in deep trouble when it comes to AA, Mantha and Bertuzzi. What happened to earning this kind of money? I season of 77 points? My God! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: This is outrageous. We are in deep trouble when it comes to AA, Mantha and Bertuzzi. What happened to earning this kind of money? I season of 77 points? My God! Tkachuk had 90 sumthin pts this past season, and will likely be a consistent 80 plus pts from here on out. None of our guys outside of Larkin will come close to that production. Our 3 guys will be eligible for arbitration so that’ll keep things reasonable if they choose to go that route. I can see lil’Bert being the 1st to sign a 3 to 5 yr deal for sumthin in the range of $4 to $5 million per season...AA, and Mantha might be a different story. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: This is outrageous. We are in deep trouble when it comes to AA, Mantha and Bertuzzi. What happened to earning this kind of money? I season of 77 points? My God! How is Tkachuk at all comparable to Mantha, Athanasiou and Bertuzzi? Tkachuk has exceeded what all three have done at this point in their careers, and is 4 years younger. A better comparable for Tkachuk, despite position, is Larkin. Even then, Tkachuk has had better production and is 2 years younger. Larkin was signed to a very good contract. Tkachuk is signed to a very good contract. And there's not a doubt in my mind that all three of Mantha, Athanasiou and Bertuzzi will be signed to very good contracts. If Mantha has a huge season like I expect him to (35+ goals, 65+ points), he might be in the ballpark of what Larkin's making, but he still won't get anything close to $7M, maybe not even Larkin's $6.1M. That goes for Athanasiou and Bertuzzi as well. 11 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Tkachuk had 90 sumthin pts this past season, and will likely be a consistent 80 plus pts from here on out. None of our guys outside of Larkin will come close to that production. Our 3 guys will be eligible for arbitration so that’ll keep things reasonable if they choose to go that route. I can see lil’Bert being the 1st to sign a 3 to 5 yr deal for sumthin in the range of $4 to $5 million per season...AA, and Mantha might be a different story. Tkachuk had 77 points last season, but everything else I agree with. If I were to guess, based on the season I think the three will have... Mantha - 4-6 years, $5.5-6.5M Athanasiou - 3-5 years, $5-6M Bertuzzi - 3-5 years, $3.5-4.5M 2 kliq and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,152 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 I hope you're all right! I know Stevie is shrewd, I hope he can get them all signed to VERY friendly contracts. I bet that AA and Mantha both get 70 points though. I am thinking Larkin tops 90. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: I hope you're all right! I know Stevie is shrewd, I hope he can get them all signed to VERY friendly contracts. I bet that AA and Mantha both get 70 points though. I am thinking Larkin tops 90. Those are some lofty expectations... So IF they (Mantha and Athanasiou) did put up that sort of production, what sort of contract do YOU think they'd be worth? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,863 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Those are some lofty expectations It’s reasonable for Larkin I think. And I believe Mantha has got it in him. AA numbers depends more on the production of his linemates. Same for Bert. A succesfull PP would also boost all of those guys numbers. 3 hours ago, F.Michael said: Fat shaming is a crime... I only fatshame people out of concern for them. It’s an act of kindness. 1 ely s reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: It’s reasonable for Larkin I think. And I believe Mantha has got it in him. AA numbers depends more on the production of his linemates. Same for Bert. A succesfull PP would also boost all of those guys numbers. I'm not saying it's unreasonable to project those sort of numbers. They absolutely could get there, but everything would need to go right for all three. I just wanted to know IF they did reach those point totals, what @LeftWinger would think is fair value. He seems to be way off on what market value is in the NHL today... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: How is Tkachuk at all comparable to Mantha, Athanasiou and Bertuzzi? Tkachuk has exceeded what all three have done at this point in their careers, and is 4 years younger. A better comparable for Tkachuk, despite position, is Larkin. Even then, Tkachuk has had better production and is 2 years younger. Larkin was signed to a very good contract. Tkachuk is signed to a very good contract. And there's not a doubt in my mind that all three of Mantha, Athanasiou and Bertuzzi will be signed to very good contracts. If Mantha has a huge season like I expect him to (35+ goals, 65+ points), he might be in the ballpark of what Larkin's making, but he still won't get anything close to $7M, maybe not even Larkin's $6.1M. That goes for Athanasiou and Bertuzzi as well. Tkachuk had 77 points last season, but everything else I agree with. If I were to guess, based on the season I think the three will have... Mantha - 4-6 years, $5.5-6.5M Athanasiou - 3-5 years, $5-6M Bertuzzi - 3-5 years, $3.5-4.5M Yeah - I must've had Marner/Point on my mind while typing about Tkachuk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Downgrading how? $7 Faulk ---> $4 Gardiner + $3 Edmundson + rookie Bean is a downgrade. If you don't understand that I can't help you. Maybe you think Bean will be better than Faulk somewhere down the road? If that's the case, cool, but for now it's a pretty clear downgrade. 2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: They weren’t going to lock him up longterm They should have. That's my entire point. 2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: edmundson is a good dman You can say it as many times as you like. Doesn't change that he's a bottom pair D. 2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: I think they have a very good d core ... we’ll agree to disagree Didn't say they don't have a good D core. Said they downgraded it. And I think that was unnecessary. 2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: im sure there wouldn’t be too many teams looking to give Faulk almost 7 and keeping him around till 35 , not sure it’ll look good the blues by years 4-5 Ok 2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: i think they got a good return back , it’s pretty much a 1st +3rd for a 30-35 pt Dman They would have gotten a much better return if the player was under contract. 2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: what do you think mike green would have fetched ? Do you have ADD by chance? 2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: they haven’t saddled themselves with anything They literally saddled themselves with Marleau, which they could have paid to Faulk. 2 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said: they basically replaced Faulk with edmundson(whos a Ufa after one season) and Gardner to short term commitments and less $ and they also added a first round pick which if we should have pushed hard for to land and added bokk Faulk = $4.156 Gardiner = $4.050 Edmundson = $3.100 I'm no math wizard but it sure seems like they're paying more for two worse Dmen. If you include Marleau it's a lot worse. Next year: Faulk = $6.500 Gardiner = $4.050 If you assume Edmundson walks, then the deal now is widdled to Faulk for Bokk. And again the Canes better hope Bokk is a very good player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, LeftWinger said: This is outrageous. We are in deep trouble when it comes to AA, Mantha and Bertuzzi. What happened to earning this kind of money? I season of 77 points? My God! Except that Tkachuk has been better than all three of them so far. We will be fine. They'll get what they're worth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 No ones gonna bring up the fact that Matthews tried to break into a womans car at 2 am and when he couldn't he showed her his butt cheeks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: No ones gonna bring up the fact that Matthews tried to break into a womans car at 2 am and when he couldn't he showed her his butt cheeks? Fans in opposing cities need to wear these when the Leafs show up... 1 1 Dabura and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 36 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: No ones gonna bring up the fact that Matthews tried to break into a womans car at 2 am and when he couldn't he showed her his butt cheeks? Has an NHLer ever been sent to Gitmo? How would that work? Would the organization get cap relief or would they still be on the hook for his contract? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, Dabura said: Has an NHLer ever been sent to Gitmo? How would that work? Would the organization get cap relief or would they still be on the hook for his contract? Matthews has a Mexican momma...He needs to be deported Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Matthews has a Mexican momma...He needs to be deported Is she hot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,863 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Dabura said: Is she hot? He got her nose Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 IDK about his mom, but this is his dad Wes Matthews Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,863 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, krsmith17 said: I'm not saying it's unreasonable to project those sort of numbers. They absolutely could get there, but everything would need to go right for all three. That’s true. The biggest threat to their future increase in production is that our miserable blueline can’t get the puck up the ice. 4 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: IDK about his mom, but this is his dad Wes Matthews BIG if true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted September 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Akakabuto said: That’s true. The biggest threat to their future increase in production is that our miserable blueline can’t get the puck up the ice. And that should change in the next couple seasons as we continue to get younger. Seider, Hronek and Cholowski should definitely help in that regard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
