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#61 rrasco

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:25 AM

Yea because 45-50 win seasons are clearly based on flashes of brilliance and luck..are you serious?


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:46 AM

I could careless if they scored or not; 99% of Franzens shots miss the net by a country mile. "Franzen shoots! Wide high off the glass"

Same with Hudler, for every good pass he makes he commits 3 turnovers.

IMO, this is not a SLUMP. They just aren't lucky enough to be winning like they had been. We have been playing lackluster with flashes of brilliance for 2 seasons now.


the Wings must be the luckiest team ever to win 44 out of 71 games (61.97% win percentage). I can think of 12 other teams in the Western Conference that wish they were so "lucky" and had as many "flashes of brilliance[.]" Also, pretty lucky to win 23 games at home in a row which makes them luckier than any team in the history of the NHL. Have they won some games that they shouldn't have? Yeah sure, however, they have also lost some games that they should have won. That is the way hockey and every other sport goes. Yes the Wings are in a slump, due somewhat to injuries (including one to the guy that NHL players ranked as the 2nd best player in the league and one of the top 2 or 3 best defensemen ever to play) and due somewhat to bad play, lethargy, etc. But most teams have slumps, most teams have bad games and bad streaks. It doesn't mean that the wins they had are "lucky" or "flashes of brilliance[,]" on the whole the Wings are too good and win to many games for that to be the case.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:20 AM

Our road record surely proves we are a force to be reckoned with. When we were on our home streak I will agree we were playing with more passion.

I'm sorry but some of you here have the blinders on and need to step out and realize that not all things Red Wings is completely out of this world amazing. If that were the case we wouldn't be sliding down the standings, we would actually be converting on our PP and we could kill a penalty or two before letting in a shorty.

Neg me all you want because I am sure it's coming because I am speaking out but seriously some of you need to open your eyes and realize we need to start doing something different. Our players are clearly getting tone deaf.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:28 AM

This is what happens when a team is small and plays big. They get hurt and can't play to their potential. This is not a player integrity issue, this is not a coaching issue. This is a GM issue. Kenny has been good, but he has been very lucky too. Kenny has jumped the shark!

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:59 AM

Our road record surely proves we are a force to be reckoned with. When we were on our home streak I will agree we were playing with more passion.

I'm sorry but some of you here have the blinders on and need to step out and realize that not all things Red Wings is completely out of this world amazing. If that were the case we wouldn't be sliding down the standings, we would actually be converting on our PP and we could kill a penalty or two before letting in a shorty.

Neg me all you want because I am sure it's coming because I am speaking out but seriously some of you need to open your eyes and realize we need to start doing something different. Our players are clearly getting tone deaf.


Couple of things:

1) Were the players getting tone deaf when they lost 6 in a row earlier this season? Because they managed to do pretty well after that slump.

2) If you are going to be using our record to try to show that the Wings are not a force to be reckoned with why don't you also use their home record to show that they are a force to be reckoned with, or even their over all record - they are after all 4th in the entire NHL in points. The vast majority of teams in the NHL would love to have the Wings record and would dread playing them in the 1st round of the playoff (because they are in fact a force to be reckoned with).

3) I don't have blinders on and think that "all things Red Wings[are] completely out of this world amazing[,]" however, I do think they are as good as any team in the NHL and have a legitimate shot to go deep into the playoffs. Perhaps you need to take off your blinders and realize that the sky is not falling and the Wings are in fact still a good team who are battling major player losses and playing poorly during this slump.

4) The fact that we are "sliding down in the standings" yet still have the 4th best record in the NHL is a testament to the fact that the team (when even reasonably healthy) is a very good team.


Finally, it is funny to me that the Wings players "clearly getting tone deaf" amazingly coincided with Dats, Lids, Jimmy and 4 or 5 other players all getting hurt.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:04 AM

when was the last time a team won a cup with a losing road record in the modern era?
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:22 AM

We are sof****** spolied as Wings fans....how many of you were around fo the Dead Wings era?

We are slumping, big deal, we are still contending for a cup just like the previous 20+ years!!!

If your feeling sorry for yourself as a present day wings fan go waste a little time watching vids of the wings before you were born!

#68 rrasco

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:24 AM

We are sof****** spolied as Wings fans....how many of you were around fo the Dead Wings era?

We are slumping, big deal, we are still contending for a cup just like the previous 20+ years!!!

If your feeling sorry for yourself as a present day wings fan go waste a little time watching vids of the wings before you were born!


Get used to it if you plan on sticking around. This s*** pops up after the Wings win games, after a game like last night, we must be doomed!

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:25 AM

when was the last time a team won a cup with a losing road record in the modern era?


Pittsburgh 2008-2009. 19-15-6. Boom!

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:35 AM

We are sof****** spolied as Wings fans....how many of you were around fo the Dead Wings era?

We are slumping, big deal, we are still contending for a cup just like the previous 20+ years!!!

If your feeling sorry for yourself as a present day wings fan go waste a little time watching vids of the wings before you were born!


Haha, Oh you didn't know that unless we win the cup every single year the entire team, including coach and GM are worthless and need to be replaced by overpriced free agents and unproven AHL prospects? Yeah...me either. Which isn't to say that there aren't ways to improve ANY team in the league, but that those decisions become a hell of a lot easier to make in hindsight.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


#71 beachwing

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:35 AM

Get used to it if you plan on sticking around. This s*** pops up after the Wings win games, after a game like last night, we must be doomed!

I have been here 'reading' for several years but just recently decided to join in all the fun of posting and bashing:)

#72 rrasco

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:37 AM

I have been here 'reading' for several years but just recently decided to join in all the fun of posting and bashing:)


Okay, so you're at least familiar with the arm-chair GMs. :hehe:

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#73 beachwing

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:42 AM

All to familiar:) Here in Fl the Bolts fans and media have already turned on Stevie for not having Tampa Bay headed to the finals this year. But I will add their not as blood thirsty as the Wings nation and certianly not as many potential GM's blogging and calling into sports radio:)

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:44 AM

Couple of things:

1) Were the players getting tone deaf when they lost 6 in a row earlier this season? Because they managed to do pretty well after that slump.

2) If you are going to be using our record to try to show that the Wings are not a force to be reckoned with why don't you also use their home record to show that they are a force to be reckoned with, or even their over all record - they are after all 4th in the entire NHL in points. The vast majority of teams in the NHL would love to have the Wings record and would dread playing them in the 1st round of the playoff (because they are in fact a force to be reckoned with).

3) I don't have blinders on and think that "all things Red Wings[are] completely out of this world amazing[,]" however, I do think they are as good as any team in the NHL and have a legitimate shot to go deep into the playoffs. Perhaps you need to take off your blinders and realize that the sky is not falling and the Wings are in fact still a good team who are battling major player losses and playing poorly during this slump.

4) The fact that we are "sliding down in the standings" yet still have the 4th best record in the NHL is a testament to the fact that the team (when even reasonably healthy) is a very good team.


Finally, it is funny to me that the Wings players "clearly getting tone deaf" amazingly coincided with Dats, Lids, Jimmy and 4 or 5 other players all getting hurt.


First of all let me thank you for being my high school English teacher in doing a nice job correcting my grammar.

Second of all, when did I say the sky was falling? I'm not saying anything near that. What I am saying is that people need to stop being so blind to some of the continuing problems that have been occurring with this team. Everyone sees Holland as the second coming of Christ that does no wrong. Everyone seems to think that we can steam roll any team we are put in front of. I suppose that is why we have had early exits two years in a row now?

The sky isn't falling. Do I see us winning the cup? Not like this we aren't, the way we are playing currently screams of early exit, especially if we get stuck playing on the road.

The team needs to wake up. Players like Franzen need to wake up. We as Wings fans have been incredibly spoiled with our success but it has also led to the fans being completely oblivious to thinking we could ever have any issues.

Edited by NvrFrgtRussian5, 15 March 2012 - 12:58 PM.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:54 AM

First of all let me thank you for being my high school English teacher in doing a nice job correcting my grammar.

Second of all when did I say the sky was falling? I'm not saying anything near that. What I am saying is that people need to stop being so blind to some of the continuing problems that have been occurring with this team. Everyone sees Holland as the second coming of Christ that does no wrong. Everyone seems to think that we can steam roll any team we are put in front of. I suppose that is why we have had early exits two years in a row now?

The sky isn't falling. Do I see us winning the cup? Not like this we aren't, the way we are playing currently screams of early exit, especially if we get stuck playing on the road.

The team needs to wake up. Players like Franzen need to wake up. We as Wings fans have been incredibly spoiled with our success but it has also led to the fans being completely oblivious to thinking we could ever have any issues.


Who does this? You are being awfully general while still indicting every member on this board. Some people may think Holland can do no wrong. Most people acknowledge that he does a damn good job, and that managing a team to the Stanley Cup is probably pretty difficult, and therefore we cut him somef****** slack when he fails to do that thing we (as individual fans) really wanted him to do. Could the team be better? Probably. Is it as easy to make those decisions as you or I might think? Probably not.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:05 PM

THE RED WINGS ARE LAZY AND THEY SUCK! There. It felt good to get that out of my system. Now it's back to being a homer! Come on Wings! Snap the hell out of it! It's GO TIME! :thumbup:


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:13 PM

hmmmmm

You mean the John Tortorella who hasn't taken a team out of the first round since the lockout? The John Tortorella who has missed the playoffs entirely two of the last 4 years? The John Tortorella who has taken the Rangers to a grand total of 12 playoff games during his tenure, while going 4-8 in those games? Who cares how he inspires?

Note the words in my post "pure example". Just commenting on the concept of inspiring by love or fear in which which no teams or coaches were being referenced. No names, just the concept. I applied Torts to this line of thinking as an example because I can't really name a coach (who still has a job) that inspires their team via "love". Btw...you inspire me to want to read and comprehend posts before commenting. Thanks.

Edited by Learn2LuvIt, 15 March 2012 - 12:13 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:18 PM

Note the words in my post "pure example". Just commenting on the concept of inspiring by love or fear in which which no teams or coaches were being referenced. No names, just the concept. I applied Torts to this line of thinking as an example because I can't really name a coach (who still has a job) that inspires their team via "love". Btw...you inspire me to want to read and comprehend posts before commenting. Thanks.


I'm joining this conversation late. What was your point about the differing methods of inspiration?

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:08 PM

First of all let me thank you for being my high school English teacher in doing a nice job correcting my grammar.


I hate to tell you but nothing in my post had anything to do with correcting your grammar. When you quote someone and modify the exact quote at all you are supposed to put it in brackets to show that you the modification. If I wanted to correct your grammar or show that it was improper I could use [sic] to show that there was a grammatical error but I needed to use the word "are" for proper grammar in the sentence I was writing. I could care less about your grammar.


Second of all when did I say the sky was falling?


Perhaps, in these statements:

99% of Franzens shots miss the net by a country mile.



Same with Hudler, for every good pass he makes he commits 3 turnovers.



We have been playing lackluster with flashes of brilliance for 2 seasons now.


Even with the terrible play of late the Wings are still 4th in Points in the entire NHL.

Everyone sees Holland as the second coming of Christ that does no wrong. Everyone seems to think that we can steam roll any team we are put in front of. I suppose that is why we have had early exits two years in a row now? . . . We as Wings fans have been incredibly spoiled with our success but it has also led to the fans being completely oblivious to thinking we could ever have any issues.


There may be a couple or random posters but seriously, who are you talking about? Most here acknowledge that there are problems with the team (as in almost every team, every year) but think that Holland by far one the better GM's in the league and that even with the recent poor play (which coincides with the "problem" of Dats, Lids, Jimmy, and 4 others injured) the Wings when they get healthy will still have as good a shot as anyone at the Cup.

Finally, regarding the "early exits" the last two years we still went to the second round of the playoff (and game 7 of that series last year), I know it is not what Wings fans hope for but only 4 teams out of 30 got farther than us the last two years.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:18 PM

This is what happens when a team is small and plays big. They get hurt and can't play to their potential. This is not a player integrity issue, this is not a coaching issue. This is a GM issue. Kenny has been good, but he has been very lucky too. Kenny has jumped the shark!


Couldnt agree more. This lineup has needed a couple of dependable big bodied workhorses to complement our lineup of racehorses for 3 years now. Hal Gill and Paul Gaustad are two guys that would have been fantastic acquisitions for depth, size, and defence. If this rash of injuries came a month earlier Id like to think that 'Laurel Restington' would have made a few of the moves Im talking about.





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