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So What's Up With Abby & Quincey?

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#1 LeftWinger

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 04:01 PM

...are there any rumblings or rumors out there concerning these two? You would think that as RFA's they would be signed before July 1st (if they really want to come back.) Maybe Abdelkader will a bit harder to re-sign than we imagined...

I know Holland was kinda busy today but I would hope he at least has talked to Abby's agent. I wonder what the hold up is for him...he may be looking for (and could possibly get) near $2M somewhere. I would think that that would be a bit much for him, but you never know around the league. If that is the case, I'd sign them both and trade them...possibly in a package to the....Ducks! :lol: Sorry, but until Bobby Ryan and Justin Schultz are unavailable, I am going to try to find ways to get them here! :lol:

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 04:15 PM

call me crazy but I wouldn't be too disappointed if we let both of them walk. I don't see what Abdelkader brings to this team that is all that important.we'll probably resign Quincey due to already losing Lidstrom and Start.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 04:27 PM

call me crazy but I wouldn't be too disappointed if we let both of them walk. I don't see what Abdelkader brings to this team that is all that important.we'll probably resign Quincey due to already losing Lidstrom and Start.

Abby is one of the few physical forwards the Wings have. The team without him would be incredibly soft.

I believe Khan said the Wings would talk to both at the draft. Therefore, I think it's too early to speculate on either player.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 04:35 PM

I hope he doesn't give Quincey more than $3.2M!

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 04:35 PM

Figured Abdelkader would've been re-signed the same time as Helm. I think it is just about necessary that we keep Quincey, due to the mass exodus on defense this summer.
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Posted 23 June 2012 - 04:41 PM

There really isn't a rush with RFA is there? They have plenty of time to be signed.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 04:47 PM

Thought I read somewhere that both will be qualified, and deals worked out later in the summer, likely after the start of free agency.

I doubt either would get any offers we wouldn't match, though with Quincey it would depend on who we sign. If you compare Quincey to the UFA defenseman, he'd be top-10, maybe even top-5. We need two defenseman who can both play both the PP and the PK, and if at all possible be comfortable playing against top lines. Quincey is one of the few who fits all that.

Abby is easily replaced, but not likely to get an offer high enough that we'd rather have the compensation.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 04:59 PM

Of course, Holland may be waiting on Quincey to see if he lands Suter and Schultz... Quincey then becomes un-needed...

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 04:59 PM

Abby is one of the few physical forwards the Wings have. The team without him would be incredibly soft.

I believe Khan said the Wings would talk to both at the draft. Therefore, I think it's too early to speculate on either player.


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Posted 23 June 2012 - 05:00 PM

Abby isn't irreplaceable but he's a much better option than Emmerton for the 4th line center and as mentioned is one of the few physical forwards the Wings have. He doesn't deserve Helm money but something around 1.5 or lower would be acceptable.

I'm on the fence about Quincey but the defense is so thin right now, the Wings kinda have to sign him. No more than 3.5 I hope.
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Posted 23 June 2012 - 05:12 PM

Abby isn't irreplaceable but he's a much better option than Emmerton for the 4th line center and as mentioned is one of the few physical forwards the Wings have. He doesn't deserve Helm money but something around 1.5 or lower would be acceptable.

I'm on the fence about Quincey but the defense is so thin right now, the Wings kinda have to sign him. No more than 3.5 I hope.


I say wait to see what pans out on JUly 1st...If Holland cannot land Suter, then sure, re-sign Quincey, but if Suter comes along and Schultz too? Bye Bye Quincey! Too bad Holland has to qualify him for $3.125M, Quincey may just accept that! Damn!

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 05:29 PM

id take prust or moen over abby. sorry bud

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 05:52 PM

$2M for Abby?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!

Prust and/or Moen is UPGRADE for that money...


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Prust will be available and Moen could stay with HABS
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Posted 23 June 2012 - 06:03 PM

Ya if it came down to it and Holland had to, trade Abby & Quincey..especially if he signs a Moen or Prust. I think even Gausted would be an upgrade to Abby (more expensive, but indeed an upgrade) Besides if Holland cannot get Parise, that is all the more cash available for a Gausted...

I love Abby and it's great that he is a Muskegon kid, but I think that Detroit looks better with:

Suter/Schultz/Gausted/Moen vs. Suter/Quincey/Abdelkader... I think Abby would flourish in a city like Phoenix or Anaheim.

I am not changing my dream roster to add Moen and Gausted, but I sure as hell would not be disappointed!

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 07:07 PM

$2M for Abby?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!

Prust and/or Moen is UPGRADE for that money...


BTW:

Prust will be available and Moen could stay with HABS

Ya if it came down to it and Holland had to, trade Abby & Quincey..especially if he signs a Moen or Prust. I think even Gausted would be an upgrade to Abby (more expensive, but indeed an upgrade) Besides if Holland cannot get Parise, that is all the more cash available for a Gausted...

I love Abby and it's great that he is a Muskegon kid, but I think that Detroit looks better with:

Suter/Schultz/Gausted/Moen vs. Suter/Quincey/Abdelkader... I think Abby would flourish in a city like Phoenix or Anaheim.

I am not changing my dream roster to add Moen and Gausted, but I sure as hell would not be disappointed!

Abby had more points last season, more short handed time per game, and more hits per minute than Prust. Further, Prust is rumored to want over 2 million per year (he turned down an offer of less from the Rangers), while Abby should get 2 million maximum.

Also, some have mentioned Abby's penatles. Per 60 minutes, he draws 1.5 penalites while commiting .9. When it comes to penalties, he helps the team more than he hurts the team. Prust takes more penalties per penalties drawn than Abby.

I would like both, but adding Prust over Abby will only result in more fights. What the Wings need is both players. One tough player on the fourth line isn't going to make the Wings tough. Having Abby and Prust, Tootoo, etc will make the Wings fourth line tough to play against.

While I would like Gaustad, his asking price of 3+ million is too much. For that price, the Wings would be better trading for Ott. Trading for Ott would also allow the Wings to trade Emmerton, who would be redundent if a fourth line center is acquired.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 08:03 PM

Alot of people need to realize how effective abby is when playing on the wing instead of centering. His role changed and he cant play his style, he was playing the role the coach gave him. As much as i've had my share with abby, hes a player i wouldnt want to straight trade away

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 08:25 PM

I'm in the "it's too early to tell" category but...

Abdelkader's only selling feature right now is "I'm the best 4th line centre you got". With Babcock's announcement today of "Brunner could play top 6", Abby fell even farther down the depth chart.

Dats,Z,(top 6 ufa winger), Franzen, Fil,Brunner,Nyquist,Bert, Cleary,Helm,Miller, Eaves, Abby, Mursak, Emmerton.

Now, that's 12 guys ahead of Abdelkader assuming Hudler leaves and Eaves comes back. And if Homer comes back that'll be 13.

Most people seem to agreed that Abdelkader is better on wing too. Meaning we don't have a bonafide 4th line center. Abby would just "have to do".

I hope that Holland is out looking for ways to get a real 4th line centre, or another 3rd line centre to push Helm back to the 4th. Then there would be a battle between Abby, Mursak, Eaves, Emmerton and maybe Homer for that last playing spot on the Helm/Miller line. In that case it might be a good idea for Abs to take a little less just to stay comparable to those guys.

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 08:49 PM

I'd rather have Prust then Abby
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Posted 23 June 2012 - 09:40 PM

I think Holland is waiting to see who he can land or trade for via July 1st, see how much pocket change he has remaining after persuing more immediate needs.
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Posted 23 June 2012 - 09:54 PM

The Red Wings have submitted qualifying offers to both Abdelkader and Quincey. That means they earn at least their salary last year.





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