blgillett 48 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 Sit tight and see what available at the deadline. :/ We can't we have to many Forwards and not enough Defense men Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YzermanRULES19 1 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 I think it'd be a better choice to explore options for a top tier D man like Yandle(if they're even willing to trade him) If they are, I'm certain it would come at a cheaper price than Nash and IMO, Semin or Doan would put up similar numbers to Nash anyways... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 1,126 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 no reason to trade Franzine...I am sure this season will be more "fun" then last year so he will show up for at least 40 games this season. So if we sign Semin we can get a full season combined between the 2!!! Okay I am now going to go sit in the driveway in the Atlanta heat and come up with more ideas...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 why not go for some future top tier dmen rather than established ones? would cost less and we could get a couple maybe. I posted rundblad in another thread, maybe we get a few young dmen almost nhl ready and see how it goes. we went for schultz after all.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xtrememachine1 795 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 Plan B is we try to trade for Keith Yandle. He's a good young defenseman, that comes at a great price and is locked up for awhile. He should be able to match Lidstrom's offensive numbers on our team. He needs to be a priority right now. If we can't swing him, we go for Nash. Let's assume Columbus will trade with us and they want prospects and draft picks. I'm reading people not willing to give up Smith, Tatar, Jurco, etc. Obviously we wouldn't give them all up, but some will have to go in order to swing this deal. I feel like we didn't do enough these past couple years to give Lidstrom a good final run at the Cup. I would hate to see Datsyuk and Zetterberg play through these next few years waiting for these prospects to come up and get experience while Z and D get another year older and probably past their prime. If we can get Nash and not give up all of our prospects, let's do it, Z and D won't be around forever. The defense is still suspect, but if we're not going to get "our guy" get other guys. Pick up Rosival, Hannan, Eaton, Kubina, etc. Sign them to short deals that are not worth a lot. Plug in some guys that can fill those gaps till the next Suter comes along and we can fill that position with a long term solution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YzermanRULES19 1 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 How much do you guys think Semin is worth? I don't see them paying more than 7 mil tops per season and is he even worth that? I think his production would increase substantially here in Detroit especially playing with D and Z. But for that kind of money I would expect at least 30 or 35 goals out of him. 10+ PPG and 70+ pts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,132 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 Now is the time Ilitch needs to convince Dekeyser to NOT go back for his senior year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) How much do you guys think Semin is worth? I don't see them paying more than 7 mil tops per season and is he even worth that? I think his production would increase substantially here in Detroit especially playing with D and Z. But for that kind of money I would expect at least 30 or 35 goals out of him. 10+ PPG and 70+ pts. Signing Semin (and for 7M at that) is about the only way this off season could get worse. Of course, if it's a one year deal, and we've got the cap space (as we will), such a mindblowing overpayment isn't as relevant. Edited July 5, 2012 by Zetts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YzermanRULES19 1 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 Signing Semin (and for 7M at that) is about the only way this off season could get worse. Of course, if it's a one year deal, and we've got the cap space (as we will), such a mindblowing overpayment isn't as relevant. Then what's he worth? If Hudler is going for 4/16 then it seems reasonable to offer Semin at around 3/18?? He's much better than Happy Hudler! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 posted this in another thread but this is probably more appropriate for here: Look at it this way if you roll with what we have, and go into the regular season with all this free cap. Then we can have a very good idea on who can produce at this point (Nyquist, Tatar, Smith, etc...hell even some established players) and make trades accordingly. Our defense is not good but I don't think it will be the abortion on skates that most here do. I say this b/c while Lids was imo the leading Norris candidate before injury, after he cameback he wasn't his normal self. Compound that with Stu who checked out very early and seemed basically one of our worst dman all year, and Quincey/White playing terrible= overall bad team d. Now with the inclusion of Smith (who will be better then either a terrible Quincey/Stu) and from watching Q in both Col/LA (he will be better), White may not improve much, he I don't think he will be as bad as late last year either, then to me the defense looks like a wash. It won't be near the top, nor near the bottom... Our offense to me has already improved Tootoo will bring out more in either Helm or Abby. Sammy (though I dislike the signing) is an improvement over Hudler in physicality, plus he certainly is more willing to shoot! Brunner sounds like he will improve Helm (but I'm not totally counting on that). Nyquist in my opinion is going to blow peoples minds with a full season in the NHL. He looks a lot like Datsyuk so I have high expectations for him, last season in his time up he was at one point 7 for 7 points/games switching between 1st/4th line duties. The most recent comparison to me would be Matt Duchene in that he would get knocked off the puck super easy because of weight but pops back up instantly and is always making something happen. Tatar wasn't OMG amazing when brought up but compared to the baggage this team has dragged around the last 2 years, I believe he will be an improvement. Our goaltending should improve hell we were using Conklin (I thought it was a good signing at the time, and I admit I as wrong as hell) Wildcard statement: Give Sheehan some more time with the big club. The only NHL game he played in, it appeared he was great at maintaining control with people dragging on his back. Overall my opinion is that we right now are about in the same boat as late last season. Right now we will make the playoffs, but get dropped in the 1st. Keep the cash until we see what we have and what's available, as long as we can just tread water while others start sinking then there is no point in throwing fist fulls of cash towards players just because it's what's popular (Suter/Parise) or trade away depth for (Ryan/Nash). 1 SwedeLundin77 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YzermanRULES19 1 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 Now is the time Ilitch needs to convince Dekeyser to NOT go back for his senior year... So your lineup means the wings would trade Franzen or Filp for Yandle? I posted that the other day on an ESPN message board and was ripped apart. Sure it'd be tough to lose the Mule and Filp but it's worth it for a cornerstone D-man like Yandle. Especially if we replace them with Doan and Semin which is exactly what I said the other day. Looks like the smarter wings fans are on here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YzermanRULES19 1 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 posted this in another thread but this is probably more appropriate for here: Look at it this way if you roll with what we have, and go into the regular season with all this free cap. Then we can have a very good idea on who can produce at this point (Nyquist, Tatar, Smith, etc...hell even some established players) and make trades accordingly. Our defense is not good but I don't think it will be the abortion on skates that most here do. I say this b/c while Lids was imo the leading Norris candidate before injury, after he cameback he wasn't his normal self. Compound that with Stu who checked out very early and seemed basically one of our worst dman all year, and Quincey/White playing terrible= overall bad team d. Now with the inclusion of Smith (who will be better then either a terrible Quincey/Stu) and from watching Q in both Col/LA (he will be better), White may not improve much, he I don't think he will be as bad as late last year either, then to me the defense looks like a wash. It won't be near the top, nor near the bottom... Our offense to me has already improved Tootoo will bring out more in either Helm or Abby. Sammy (though I dislike the signing) is an improvement over Hudler in physicality, plus he certainly is more willing to shoot! Brunner sounds like he will improve Helm (but I'm not totally counting on that). Nyquist in my opinion is going to blow peoples minds with a full season in the NHL. He looks a lot like Datsyuk so I have high expectations for him, last season in his time up he was at one point 7 for 7 points/games switching between 1st/4th line duties. The most recent comparison to me would be Matt Duchene in that he would get knocked off the puck super easy because of weight but pops back up instantly and is always making something happen. Tatar wasn't OMG amazing when brought up but compared to the baggage this team has dragged around the last 2 years, I believe he will be an improvement. Our goaltending should improve hell we were using Conklin (I thought it was a good signing at the time, and I admit I as wrong as hell) Wildcard statement: Give Sheehan some more time with the big club. The only NHL game he played in, it appeared he was great at maintaining control with people dragging on his back. Overall my opinion is that we right now are about in the same boat as late last season. Right now we will make the playoffs, but get dropped in the 1st. Keep the cash until we see what we have and what's available, as long as we can just tread water while others start sinking then there is no point in throwing fist fulls of cash towards players just because it's what's popular (Suter/Parise) or trade away depth for (Ryan/Nash). I think wings have to do something and if they don't then they would seriously jeopardize missing the playoffs for the first time since Pretty Woman was in theaters. They would need a ton more out of Helm and Ericsson and Jimmy Howard could face 40 shots a game resulting in a 3.02 gaa and 4th in the central lol. I get what you're saying and yeah they could see what the young guns have to offer but imo, it'd be disaster. Holland hasn't drafted well in recent years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 Flippula+Cleary+Bertuzzi+Emmerton for Yandle.....The only young guy I would trade is Mursak and Emmerton. Is there any point in throwing in Cleary and Bertuzzi on a Yandle trade? Would they accept our dead weight thrown on at the end of the deal? There is no room for these guys if we want to have a youth movement. We can have all 4 lines be responsible with skill all while having our prospects playing full time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 Trade for Enstrom instead of Yandle. Enstrom's value is probably at it's lowest right now. He's an exceptionally skilled guy that would be a perfect fit here. 1 Shaman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Trade for Enstrom instead of Yandle. Enstrom's value is probably at it's lowest right now. He's an exceptionally skilled guy that would be a perfect fit here. My thoughts exactly! What do you think it would take? Edited July 5, 2012 by Flipper51 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EvilleWing 2 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 The Wings lost a generational talent... Generational talent>>>>Franchise players. Sorry but the Wings are still in a worse spot than either of the Preds or the Devils. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwedeLundin77 460 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 You're out of your depth... The Wings have far more offensive depth, and their defense, when compared to either team is at the very least equal (as is). Trade for Enstrom instead of Yandle. Enstrom's value is probably at it's lowest right now. He's an exceptionally skilled guy that would be a perfect fit here. I would love Enstrom... solid d-man with good offensive upside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 not as pumped for enstrom. would still cost a lot and is only 5 foot 10 with a LH shot. not ideal. If we are shelling out serious assets we might as well pay a little more and get a guy that really fits well. If it was a bargain I'd trade for enstrom but no way are we sending flip the other way for that guy. I'd do franzen in a package though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EvilleWing 2 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 I would never want to trade places with NJ or Preds.....Wings are in far better shape because of the financial health of ownership and organizational stability. People need to take a chill pill and breathe. Don't forget the yrs immediately following the lockout. Wings have cap room and an owner willing to spend. They have time to look at remaining UFAs, monitor RFA status, consider trades, etc. Oh yea, the void created by the loss of Nick and Stuie creates an opportunity for others to step up. That's what I'm looking forward to this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 Didn't know where to put this... didn't think a new thread was necessary. From Helene St. James: #RedWings defenseman Kyle Quincey files for salary arbitration. 1 wingsfan4795 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 not as pumped for enstrom. would still cost a lot and is only 5 foot 10 with a LH shot. not ideal. If we are shelling out serious assets we might as well pay a little more and get a guy that really fits well. COUGHgirardiCOUGH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) I think wings have to do something and if they don't then they would seriously jeopardize missing the playoffs for the first time since Pretty Woman was in theaters. They would need a ton more out of Helm and Ericsson and Jimmy Howard could face 40 shots a game resulting in a 3.02 gaa and 4th in the central lol. I get what you're saying and yeah they could see what the young guns have to offer but imo, it'd be disaster. Holland hasn't drafted well in recent years. I can see where you are coming from, but I do disagree about missing the playoffs. I think right now they would be able to make it 6-8 spot. Also with my scenerio Brunner or whoever else is on the 3rd line would bring out more in Helm. Ericsson is a huge crapshoot I know, he's played some great hockey sometime, but then some AHL hockey at other points. Also I wouldn't say Holland drafted that bad (Nyquist) basically led all rookies in the AHL (points/games played) Tatar almost made the team out of camp. Mad amount of talk around all fanbases regarding, Jarnkok, Jurco, Tverdon, all seem like good players (edit: Mzarek was getting praise from Canadian fans when his team was curb stomped like 8-3 and they still were saying he was one of the best players on the ice). But I suppose that is for another argument entirely. Also please don't think I'm a always sunshine type of guy, because there is plenty of criticizem the team deserves. Edited July 5, 2012 by ben_usmc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtydangles 1,328 Report post Posted July 5, 2012 Read online if wings give weber a lowish offersheet for one year that the preds match it gives him an automatic out to become a ufa. Weber would just have to sign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted July 6, 2012 not as pumped for enstrom. would still cost a lot and is only 5 foot 10 with a LH shot. not ideal. If we are shelling out serious assets we might as well pay a little more and get a guy that really fits well. If it was a bargain I'd trade for enstrom but no way are we sending flip the other way for that guy. I'd do franzen in a package though. Yeah Enstrom is small but as a "replacement" to Lidstrom we're not looking for a big, physical guy, right? He plays really well positionally and is a good skater and exceptional puckmover. I'd give up Franzen for him in a heartbeat, and I'm a defender of the Mule. I'm sure it would take the addition of atleast a prospect and a pick however. My dream scenario is signing Semin and Doan and trading for 'Toby Orr'. Not that Yandle would be disappointing, but I think Enstrom could be had for less than his actual worth at the moment.. 1 ben_usmc reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted July 6, 2012 Yeah Enstrom is small but as a "replacement" to Lidstrom we're not looking for a big, physical guy, right? He plays really well positionally and is a good skater and exceptional puckmover. I'd give up Franzen for him in a heartbeat, and I'm a defender of the Mule. I'm sure it would take the addition of atleast a prospect and a pick however. My dream scenario is signing Semin and Doan and trading for 'Toby Orr'. Not that Yandle would be disappointing, but I think Enstrom could be had for less than his actual worth at the moment.. This is literally exactly my dream scenario. Im very high on Enstrom and it helps that his contract is up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
