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#21 Playmaker

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:51 PM

Part of the problem is the owners keep saying that *THIS* is their best, final offer...they've been saying this since October, and keep coming back with different, slightly better offers. This is what's giving Fehr the confidence to tell the players to hold out longer for a better offer.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:54 PM

I agree. The best way to speak is with your wallet. The NHL makes a ton of money off gate receipts. Just don't go to games. That will be a pretty big blow to the NHL. The problem is that many people aren't dumping their season tickets over this. So the NHL and NHLPA have zero incentive to do anything for the fans.


nonsense. only the nhl can use the "fans coming back" card

the players are just innocent bystanders who only care about the game of hockey :rolleyes:

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:54 PM

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Good sign #NHL owners aren't willing to burn season but latest offer not close 2 getting deal done. #NHLPA counter offer already in works.

Gotta wonder if the NHLPA is willing to burn a season.

Something tells me this counter-offer will burn the season :confused:

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:57 PM

Something tells me this counter-offer will burn the season :confused:


I guess that will depend on the league's reaction to it. Hopefully they don't throw a fit that the PA has the nerve to negotiate off their offer.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

I guess that will depend on the league's reaction to it. Hopefully they don't throw a fit that the PA has the nerve to negotiate off their offer.

I agree. The compromise has to come from both sides for a deal to be done. The NHL compromises, now if the NHLPA can play ball and do the same thing, then the NHL follows suit, we should have some real traction.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:22 PM

For negotiations to move into the right direction 2 things need to happen:

1) The NHLPA counterproposal MUST not insult the owners... they must work directly off of the NHL's proposal.

2) The NHL and Gary Bettman CANNOT throw a hissyfit and break off communication again because there is no time for that.

If either of these 2 things happen then the season is over.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:25 PM

It seems so far though, that hasn't been the case. The NHL's offers are always take it, as is, or leave it. No room for negotiation. That's been a huge issue that I have with the owners. It would be nice if a deal was reached, but it's almost too little, too late for me. I will probably catch some games on TV, but that's the extent of it. Gave up my season tickets after the last lockout, but seems like not enough other fans did or will follow suit this time, which means another lockout in the future.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:50 PM

It seems so far though, that hasn't been the case. The NHL's offers are always take it, as is, or leave it. No room for negotiation. That's been a huge issue that I have with the owners. It would be nice if a deal was reached, but it's almost too little, too late for me. I will probably catch some games on TV, but that's the extent of it. Gave up my season tickets after the last lockout, but seems like not enough other fans did or will follow suit this time, which means another lockout in the future.

Its either the NHL "Take it or leave it" attitude or the NHLPA "overhauling the whole deal". Neither of these attitudes are acceptable or constructive to a deal being made.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:51 PM

Highlights from TSN.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:02 PM

This'll fall apart. I'm pro cancelling the entire season rather than the false hope they give us.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:05 PM

Highlights from TSN.


Does anybody know how the following affects already signed contracts? Is it only applicable to newly signed contracts?

- Maximum contract length of 6 years subject to a Club's ability to re-sign its own Player for a term of up to 7 years (provided the Player played his last full season with the re-signing Club). In addition, year-to-year Salary variability will be limited (up or down) to no more than 10% of the value of the first year of a multi-year SPC.


Anyway, the offer looks reasonable. And players get some stuff in "Working Conditions" and "Health and Safety" areas. NHLPA should take it.

Edited by Pskov Wings Fan, 28 December 2012 - 02:05 PM.


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:13 PM

Does anybody know how the following affects already signed contracts? Is it only applicable to newly signed contracts?


I believe it would only apply to contracts signed after the CBA ratification. Players signed under the previous CBA are still bound by the contracts they signed, unless bought out by their club.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:24 PM

Hurry up and sign the damn thing.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:33 PM

If the cap were to end up at 60M for 12-13, that would put 16 teams in the need of some overhauls, including the Wings by about 1.5M.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:48 PM

If the cap were to end up at 60M for 12-13, that would put 16 teams in the need of some overhauls, including the Wings by about 1.5M.

http://www.capgeek.c...cap=$60,000,000


CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
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FORWARDS
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Damien Brunner ($1.350m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
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Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.775m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Carlo Colaiacovo ($2.500m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
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Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $60,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,708,712; BONUSES: $462,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $753,788

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:49 PM

If the cap were to end up at 60M for 12-13, that would put 16 teams in the need of some overhauls, including the Wings by about 1.5M.

http://www.capgeek.c...cap=$60,000,000


I think this should solve that problem (if i understand it correctly):

"- Each Club will be entitled to execute up to one "Compliance Buy-Out" prior to the 2013/14 season pursuant to which payments made to the Player will not be charged against the team's Cap, but will be charged against the Players' Share."

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:54 PM

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Damien Brunner ($1.350m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.775m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Carlo Colaiacovo ($2.500m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $60,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,708,712; BONUSES: $462,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $753,788


that would leave us with like a single call-up. we wouldn't bind our hands that hardcore. didn't they already say they weren't touching the cap this season but would like to bring it down over the course of the next 7 years?

Edited by evilzyme, 28 December 2012 - 02:54 PM.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:56 PM

another little tidbit in the the nhl's offer was that all non playoff teams would be eligible for the lottery draft with the goal of reducing tanking late in the season

Edited by chances14, 28 December 2012 - 02:57 PM.


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:08 PM

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What changes did you make? Em and Patty?

I think this should solve that problem (if i understand it correctly):

"- Each Club will be entitled to execute up to one "Compliance Buy-Out" prior to the 2013/14 season pursuant to which payments made to the Player will not be charged against the team's Cap, but will be charged against the Players' Share."


Well, maybe for the Wings, assuming we buy out a 1.5M player. Some teams are 7, 8, 9M over the $60M cap, so unless they are willing to buyout a high dollar player, it will create some interesting scenarios.

Edited by rrasco, 28 December 2012 - 03:10 PM.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:12 PM

What changes did you make?



Well, maybe for the Wings, assuming we buy out a 1.5M player. Some teams are 7, 8, 9M over the $60M cap, so unless they are willing to buyout a high dollar player, it will create some interesting scenarios.


Subtract Emmerton and Eaves (injured). Holland has this team in excellent shape if we have a 60 mil Cap right away. It makes no sense to buy any player out on the Wings this time around. Should be quite a bit of trade action if it is a 60 mil Cap immediately even with the 1 player per team buyout. Philly comes to mind.
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