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NHL submits offer to NHLPA - **Suspension Warning Post #70 & #273*

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He did the same thing before the last lockout, which is why the Wings were able to remain comepetitive for as long as they have. He's never just thinking about the here and now, but always has an eye to the future.

The truth about Ken Holland is he is a genius, and those that disagree simply haven’t the capacity.

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If the amnesty/buyout clause does kick in, who do the Wings use it on? Franzen? Samuelsson? Bertuzzi?

I was going to start a new topic about this. I'm pretty interested to see what they do about this too.

I wonder if they would just sit where they are for now to see who comes available, then cut out the appropriate contract to make room for a new player.

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If the amnesty/buyout clause does kick in, who do the Wings use it on? Franzen? Samuelsson? Bertuzzi?

Hudler. Oh wait uh...I can't see Kenny using the buyout this time around. You never know though I suppose.

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If the amnesty/buyout clause does kick in, who do the Wings use it on? Franzen? Samuelsson? Bertuzzi?

That's really hard to say but I would assume all 3 that you mention would be the likely candidates. If it were me, I suppose I would go with Sammy so not to mess with current team chemistry and I don't see what he has that we don't already have. Then again he is right handed and has some clutch goals for us and it seems like a real **** move to bring him here just to buy him out.

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I'm not sure they have to buy out anybody. Maybe a trade or something. As noted above, Emmy and Eaves make the most sense to move or buy out because of Eaves' injury and I don't think Emmy will ever crack this roster.

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another little tidbit in the the nhl's offer was that all non playoff teams would be eligible for the lottery draft with the goal of reducing tanking late in the season

If its a weighted lottery, wouldn't this actually entice MORE teams to try to tank in order to get a higher potential draft pick?

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This is interesting:

"- Money paid (above a defined threshold) to Players on NHL SPCs in another professional league (e.g., the AHL or a European league) will be charged against the NHL team's Cap, but not against the Players' Share."

"- Flexibility-related adjustments to Payroll Range System, including (in addition to Salary/Cap Charge allocation in Player trades):

2. Elimination of Re-Entry Waivers;"

Does this mean for example that we could simply rotate guys like Emmy and Tatar the the AHL and not risk them to Re-Entry Waivers all the while only have a cap hit of what is above the undisclosed Defined Threshold while they are in the AHL? Maybe I'm misunderstanding this.

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Funny how things would be if he was able to sign Suter though."

I think we would have been okay. We would not have Coliacovo and would not have signed Sammy. Then if you take eaves out of the equation you get pretty close to where we need to be. Also Tootoo's contract is a little too much and could have been the one that would be removed with the new buyout. Keep emmerton and bring tatar up to fill up the roster.

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Renaud Lavoie@RenLavoieRDS

NHL told the NHLPA that the drop dead date was January 11th, according to another NHL source.

This is interesting:

"- Money paid (above a defined threshold) to Players on NHL SPCs in another professional league (e.g., the AHL or a European league) will be charged against the NHL team's Cap, but not against the Players' Share."

"- Flexibility-related adjustments to Payroll Range System, including (in addition to Salary/Cap Charge allocation in Player trades):

2. Elimination of Re-Entry Waivers;"

Does this mean for example that we could simply rotate guys like Emmy and Tatar the the AHL and not risk them to Re-Entry Waivers all the while only have a cap hit of what is above the undisclosed Defined Threshold while they are in the AHL? Maybe I'm misunderstanding this.

I think that will depend on their status. They have to go through waivers to get to GR too. So unless they are waiver exempt, I don't think it would matter.

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One thing I heard this afternoon (at this point in time, does it really matter who?) dealt with this:

- Ten-Year Agreement (through 2021/22 season); Parties have mutual opt-out right after 8 years.

Apparently sponsors have been in contact with the League and in essence have asked this: "Is a lockout going to happen in another five years? If so, we would rather not get into a long-term advertising deal with you if this is the way you plan to negotiate a collective agreement".

Five years, ten years, it's all the same and that won't change.

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Side with the owners? Really? If so, you'll be waiting a long, long time for your rebate cheque from the League, thanking you for all your support. A hunger strike would be less painful.

Here's a question for the members of the "Uncle Gary Fan Club": If there was no union, would some be siding with the players, or is the selection of support the "lesser of two evils"?

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Side with the owners? Really? If so, you'll be waiting a long, long time for your rebate cheque from the League, thanking you for all your support. A hunger strike would be less painful.

Here's a question for the members of the "Uncle Gary Fan Club": If there was no union, would some be siding with the players, or is the selection of support the "lesser of two evils"?

I have a better question.

If the owners were making 57% and the players were making 43%, and the players went on strike, would you be on the side of the owners because they didn't strike? Would you be calling the players greedy because they wanted an equal share?

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The players are not on strike, they are locked out.

This offer while a starting point, is just a "at least we did something one". I think the NHL is fearing a soon all players are UFA market and now they are desperate to get a deal done. If the PA is coming back with a fair offer and the NHL doesn't walk out after 10 minutes there might be a chance for a season if not, I think we'll see two more rounds of cancellations but after that...

Next year all players would be UFAs so a big big day for the Wings :-) I'll expect a team gunning for the cup instead of the playoffs.

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I wonder when we will know the NHLPA's response. I think the owners made a very reasonable offer here, we will see if the NHLPA responds in like fashion or decides on more posturing instead.

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I wonder when we will know the NHLPA's response. I think the owners made a very reasonable offer here, we will see if the NHLPA responds in like fashion or decides on more posturing instead.

So right under Vladdy's warning, you take a pot shot at the NHLPA, which is only baiting the people you've been arguing with.

I know we have the reigns tight on these threads, but they have mostly been incessant arguing by the same 5 or 6 people which eventually escalates to personal attacks. I didn't delete it for the sake of example but your post would've been fine like this:

I wonder when we will know the NHLPA's response. I think the owners made a very reasonable offer here, we will see if the NHLPA responds in like fashion or decides on more posturing instead.

You've made your general position regarding the NHL and NHLPA more than clear over the hundreds of pages of these CBA threads. No need for the shot at the NHLPA. Same goes for anyone taking pot shots at the owners side. As Vladdy said just a couple posts above, everyone knows where everyone stands by now.

Any posts taking shots at the NHL or NHLPA side, no matter how subtly, will be deleted entirely. Discuss the offers, not who's the villain.

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I wonder when we will know the NHLPA's response. I think the owners made a very reasonable offer here, we will see if the NHLPA responds in like fashion or decides on more posturing instead.

I believe the PA will respond with a reasonable offer to the NHL. Whether they choose to accept or continue negotiations after said offer remains to be seen. I just want a season to start.

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They are on a conference call now and supposed to meet tomorrow, as reported in post #62. Details not disclosed yet, if they are to be.



Katie Strang@KatieStrangESPN

#CBA NHL/NHLPA conference calls still ongoing; nothing has been finalized yet regarding in-person meeting in NY on Sunday

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I read somewhere that some of the NHL owners told Bettman that cancelling the entire season is "unacceptable".

It takes 8 votes to fire Gary, right?

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