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Why are there so many people on here guessing that players that just signed with teams will be bought out? What kind of sense would that make? Hey....we just signed you to fill a deficiency, but we changed our mind cause our GM knows not what he's doing. Why waste the time in the first place signing a guy then? And in many cases, with the fact that there's been 12 out of 30 teams allegedly recording profits, some teams may not be able to afford to buy out contracts and sign others under the newer cap. Depending on how deep teams can reach into revenue sharting to bandage their mistakes.

Franzen would have been worth about 6mil in free agency this off season, I stand by the fact that anyone who can score 30+ goals for us is worth 4mil.

I'm by no means a big Franzen fan, but if you have 2 quick defensively responsible forwards like Dats and Nyquist on with him then he should earn his 4 mil with about 25 goals in 48 games. He just needs to get his fat ass in shooting position and then it won't seem so bad when he waits for his linemates to do the rest.

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<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Euro_Twins" data-cid="2338210" data-time="1357582097"><p>

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Franzen would have been worth about 6mil in free agency this off season, I stand by the fact that anyone who can score 30+ goals for us is worth 4mil.</p></blockquote>

Agreed.

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Overpaying defiitely is the norm now, but I still think Holland paid a bit too much for Tootoo. Beyond that, though, I've loved the signing from the moment I learned of it. And yeah - no one (certainly not Holland) is going to buy out a player acquired right before the lockout. And even if Holland were keen on the idea, I think he'd dig into his own piggy bank if it meant keeping Our Lord and Savior, Mikael Samuelsson.

Colaiacovo is always injured. Alllllllways. I think that's worth considering.

If Holland wants to send a message, shake things up, he ships Franzen. Regular season production means nothing in the postseason. I'm fairly certain he'll be a Wing for life, though. For better or for worse.

Bertuzzi's one of my favorites on this team, but, admittedly, that has more to do with his character 'n' such than the stuff that really matters re: winning in the playoffs.

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Going into 13/14, the Wings have 10 forwards under contract: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Samuelsson, Helm, Bertuzzi, Tootoo, Abdelkader, Eaves, and Emmerton. Who knows what's going to happen with Eaves (health) and Emmerton (numbers game), they may not be here by then. RFAs are Nyquist and Mursak. I'd expect Nyquist back, and maybe Mursak depending on what he does this season (if he even plays here). UFAs are Filppula, Cleary, Brunner, and Miller. They've said they want to re-sign Filppula, I imagine Brunner would be back if he plays well, they could let Cleary walk, and Miller's situation would depend on numbers. I would also expect most or all of Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Ferraro, and Andersson (RFA) to challenge for roster spots. That's a lot of guys going for 13 or 14 spots. Either a few guys would have to be dealt or Holland could use the buyouts. IMO, Samuelsson and Bertuzzi are the perfect candidates. Both would be old (Samuelsson 37 and Bertuzzi 38), no better than 3rd line players, and it would free up just over $5M in cap space to help retain Filppula, Howard, Smith, and shore up the defense.

As for buying out guys who were just signed... the Wings had signed Ray Whitney and Derian Hatcher to contracts in the summer of 2003. Both were bought out at the conclusion of the last lockout.

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On the topic of buy-outs but from other teams, wonder if this will force the Islander's hands:

#Isles news: L. Visnovsky has decided to stay in Slovakia for the rest of the season, via his agent. Statement to come.

https://twitter.com/StapeNewsday/status/288408359785345024

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I doubt Luongo gets bought out, he's likely to be traded to Toronto or maybe Florida. I think this bail out-er-buyout clause is to help teams get rid of guys like Gomez, Redden, Dipietro, etc. Players no one would trade for that their current team also wouldn't want to keep. At least realistically. It could also be to keep players from signing and getting lazy (or at least trying enough to be the third worst contract on the team).

As for us, I think if Franzen doesn't smarten up he could find himself bought out. Other than that, I don't see many bad contracts. Holland's played his cards pretty well. We'd have to really reach to start calling guys like E, Quincey or Sammy bad deals. Almost every team has those type of contracts.

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My choice would be Quincey (if we can pick up a decent d-man and a #1-3 dman) and Abdelkader. I like that Mursak and Kindl will be done after this year assuming they do not re-sign him, and I like Colaicovo. He is a solid d-man in his own end works hard and does his job, if (and thats a big IF) he can stay healthy for the majority of the season he could definately be a #3-4 dman for us.

Somehow, this would finally close the circle of madness with Kenny and Quincey. First they drafted him, let him languish in GR, and waived him where he went on to embarrass Holland by coming into his own in Colorado. Next, Holland trades a 1st rounder for him, and then can't resign him, and Quincey files for arbitration. The icing on the cake would be to just buy him out. Yes, it makes complete sense in this context lol.

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Somehow, this would finally close the circle of madness with Kenny and Quincey. First they drafted him, let him languish in GR, and waived him where he went on to embarrass Holland by coming into his own in Colorado. Next, Holland trades a 1st rounder for him, and then can't resign him, and Quincey files for arbitration. The icing on the cake would be to just buy him out. Yes, it makes complete sense in this context lol.

Well, when you put it like that...

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<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="ogreslayer" data-cid="2338307" data-time="1357598037"><p>

On the topic of buy-outs but from other teams, wonder if this will force the Islander's hands:<br />

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<a href='https://twitter.com/StapeNewsday'><span style='color: #000080'><strong class='bbc'>Arthur Staple</strong>‏<del class='bbc'>@</del><strong class='bbc'>StapeNewsday</strong></span></a><br />

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<a href='https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Isles&src=hash'><del class='bbc'>#</del><strong class='bbc'>Isles</strong></a> news: L. Visnovsky has decided to stay in Slovakia for the rest of the season, via his agent. Statement to come.<br />

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<a href='https://twitter.com/StapeNewsday/status/288408359785345024'>https://twitter.com/StapeNewsday/status/288408359785345024</a></p></blockquote>

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Somehow, this would finally close the circle of madness with Kenny and Quincey. First they drafted him, let him languish in GR, and waived him where he went on to embarrass Holland by coming into his own in Colorado. Next, Holland trades a 1st rounder for him, and then can't resign him, and Quincey files for arbitration. The icing on the cake would be to just buy him out. Yes, it makes complete sense in this context lol.

Trust me I know how ridculous it is, but I never liked trading our 1st round pick for him to begin with. I never really thought he fit our team, and he proved that last year as well. We will see how he does now starting in our training camp, but like I said I thought it was a bad a desperate move by Holland to pick up Quincey last year, and he should just bite the bullet and buy him out if he does not produce. He takes too many penalties, he gives up pucks far too easy, and he doesn't have very much offensive prowess. Close the loop

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Trust me I know how ridculous it is, but I never liked trading our 1st round pick for him to begin with. I never really thought he fit our team, and he proved that last year as well. We will see how he does now starting in our training camp, but like I said I thought it was a bad a desperate move by Holland to pick up Quincey last year, and he should just bite the bullet and buy him out if he does not produce. He takes too many penalties, he gives up pucks far too easy, and he doesn't have very much offensive prowess. Close the loop

I never really liked Quincy either, but it's not necessarily because of his play... there's just something about his face... it bothers me. That aside, I am interested to see what he can do for a full-ish season with the Wings, perhaps he can find a rhythm. If he flops this season I can see Holland looking at buying him out.

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<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="RedWingsDad" data-cid="2338761" data-time="1357735979"><p>

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I never really liked Quincy either, but it's not necessarily because of his play... there's just something about his face... it bothers me. That aside, I am interested to see what he can do for a full-ish season with the Wings, perhaps he can find a rhythm. If he flops this season I can see Holland looking at buying him out.</p></blockquote>

Quincey will be fine

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<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="RedWingsDad" data-cid="2338761" data-time="1357735979"><p>

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I never really liked Quincy either, but it's not necessarily because of his play... there's just something about his face... it bothers me. That aside, I am interested to see what he can do for a full-ish season with the Wings, perhaps he can find a rhythm. If he flops this season I can see Holland looking at buying him out.</p></blockquote>

Quincey will be fine

ya, we can use a water boy

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Quincey was not good for us, don't get me wrong. But if the worst we get is a physical defenseman that in a bad year put up numbers close to or better than Visnovsky, Eric Johnson, Corvo, Fowler, Bouwmeester, Zidlicky, and Hedman who are all top 4 defenseman at the very least then I don't see him getting bought out. It's ludicrous that someone believes Quincey doesn't have any offensive prowess.

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<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="kipwinger" data-cid="2339252" data-time="1357922911"><p>

Hopefully The Wiz so we can sign him for something a little bit more Ken Holland's speed and toughen up that d core.</p></blockquote>

I would like to see some younger guys.

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Ok. Franzen haters, I hate to burst your bubble but the Mule will NOT be bought out. When I guy is bought out, you still have to pay him like 2/3's of his salary. It would make no sense to buy out somebody that you could trade. No way in hell they buy out OR trade the mule.

No, it doesn't seem nearly that unlikely. I think he's a good candidate and it would help us but we won't buy him out because we don't do that to our players unless they really ask for it. It's not our style to pull a stunt like that and maintaining a good relationship is what's made us an appealing team to join. But really, his 3.9 mil could help us and I definitely wouldn't be surprised if we attempted to rid ourselves of him if he plays as lazy as he has the last couple years, and we know we need that money for something else.

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We'd better hope a really great defenseman gets bought out. Is Pronger healthy enough to go? Seems like a sure-fire candidate.

I thought this discussion deserves it's own topic. Which players will get bought out if buying out a players contract is a provision in the next CBA?

I'll start with what I think is an obvious one:

Luongo (Vancouver)

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Well documented that Luongo is willing to leave Vancouver and that they are also willing to part with him.

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In the theme of Dipietro's awful contract, the Isles are going with Nabokov as the starter for the home opener. Even though it's one of those brief periods where Dipietro isn't injured.

Only 9 more years on the deal!

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/story/_/id/8859735/evgeni-nabokov-not-rick-dipietro-gets-start-new-york-islanders

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Ok. Franzen haters, I hate to burst your bubble but the Mule will NOT be bought out. When I guy is bought out, you still have to pay him like 2/3's of his salary. It would make no sense to buy out somebody that you could trade. No way in hell they buy out OR trade the mule.

Who else are we going to trade for a descent defenseman? Really? It sucks to lose offense when your offense isn't the best to begin with, but we can stand to lose guys up front when we have a defense as weak as ours is now. Who's expendable and has value outside of Franzen and Flip, who has far less value now as he's on the last year of a contract? I think it's foolish to think he'll be bought out too, but I think it's very unlikely at this point that he isn't a prime trade candidate.

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