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#161 fat guy in a maltby jersey

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:32 PM

jets will likely not move bogosian, and certainly not for some lightweight prospect like nyquist.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:48 PM

jets will likely not move bogosian, and certainly not for some lightweight prospect like nyquist.

You there, stop it. Stop thinking logically. 



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:07 PM

I mean yeah I would trade Nyquist or Tatar for Bogosian in a heartbeat too. But I doubt Cheveldayoff goes for that but who knows. The good news is Kenny is looking around...

 

 

I doubt there's anyway we get Bogosian without having to cough up Smith and one or both of Tatar and Nyquist, unfortunately.

Gotta agree with both guys above; I doubt we'll get Bogosian for our spare parts.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:22 PM

I want us to have Franzen, Franson, and Francen. Then we will never know who to bash.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:28 PM

I want us to have Franzen, Franson, and Francen. Then we will never know who to bash.

We're online Wings fans, we'll just bash all of them.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:29 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="shoobiedoobin" data-cid="2341311" data-time="1358540930"><p>
We're online Wings fans, we'll just bash all of them.</p></blockquote>


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:32 PM

Gotta agree with both guys above; I doubt we'll get Bogosian for our spare parts.

 

Neither Nyquist nor Tatar are spare parts.  Both are two of the better two way forwards in the AHL, and if packaged with a decent pick either of them could easily land a guy like Bogosian, who is not a top 20 defenseman in the NHL.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:34 PM

Neither Nyquist nor Tatar are spare parts.  Both are two of the better two way forwards in the AHL, and if packaged with a decent pick either of them could easily land a guy like Bogosian, who is not a top 20 defenseman in the NHL.

I think we view our prospects like someone viewing an abstract painting. We stare until we see something that isn't there. Just like we speculate about prospects so long positively that it gets boring or we start to feel too blindly homerish, or both, and we begin to look for perceived shortcomings. And we also compare them to current players and those players respective paths too much. Everyone develops differently. Some go the way of Hank, some go the way of Franzen, some go their own way.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:14 PM

Ericsson on the top pairing. I think that's what scares me/us more than anything, re: our blue line.

 

Kronwall - Ericsson

 

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

Neither Nyquist nor Tatar are spare parts.  Both are two of the better two way forwards in the AHL, and if packaged with a decent pick either of them could easily land a guy like Bogosian, who is not a top 20 defenseman in the NHL.

Well - Bogosian may not be in the NHL's top 20 Dmen, but neither Nyquist, nor Tatar are NHL regulars...What good will those 2 do for Winnipeg - unless of course they need players for their farm club?



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 04:50 PM

Well - Bogosian may not be in the NHL's top 20 Dmen, but neither Nyquist, nor Tatar are NHL regulars...What good will those 2 do for Winnipeg - unless of course they need players for their farm club?

Tatar and Nyquist can play in the NHL. We have them in the AHL by choice. Winnipeg could start them, or if they're smart, groom them on their AHL team like we do but whatever. If we trade them I don't care what they do with them.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:01 PM

Tatar and Nyquist can play in the NHL. We have them in the AHL by choice. Winnipeg could start them, or if they're smart, groom them on their AHL team like we do but whatever. If we trade them I don't care what they do with them.

Sure these guys "could" play in the NHL, but are they really good enough?

 

Forgive my ignorance since I don't follow the Griffins, but I haven't heard much about these 2 in particular, and I'm guessing if they were in fact good enough - they'd be regulars in Detroit, and Holland wouldn't be signing guys like Samuelsson in the off season.



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#173 The Axe

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:09 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="F.Michael" data-cid="2341345" data-time="1358546481"><p>
Sure these guys "could" play in the NHL, but are they really good enough?<br />
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Forgive my ignorance since I don't follow the Griffins, but I haven't heard much about these 2 in particular, and I'm guessing if they were in fact good enough - they'd be regulars in Detroit, and Holland wouldn't be signing guys like Samuelsson in the off season.</p></blockquote>


Ding Ding Ding! Nyquist is the next Datsyuk, but we are "grooming" him. Yah right. Datsyuk would flatten Nyquist like a pancake and break his bones if they collided. Datsyuk is the most solid 190 lbs in the history of earth. Nyquist is 165 lbs of Hudler. Thats why Nyquist is where he is and Datsyuk is where he is.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:12 PM

Sure these guys "could" play in the NHL, but are they really good enough?

 

Forgive my ignorance since I don't follow the Griffins, but I haven't heard much about these 2 in particular, and I'm guessing if they were in fact good enough - they'd be regulars in Detroit, and Holland wouldn't be signing guys like Samuelsson in the off season.

They could definitely play but we're afforded the opportunity to let them ripen a little more in the AHL. They're not there because they have to be. It's like when Helm came up-he could've stayed quite easily but we chose to send him down.



<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="F.Michael" data-cid="2341345" data-time="1358546481"><p>
Sure these guys "could" play in the NHL, but are they really good enough?<br />
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Forgive my ignorance since I don't follow the Griffins, but I haven't heard much about these 2 in particular, and I'm guessing if they were in fact good enough - they'd be regulars in Detroit, and Holland wouldn't be signing guys like Samuelsson in the off season.</p></blockquote>


Ding Ding Ding! Nyquist is the next Datsyuk, but we are "grooming" him. Yah right. Datsyuk would flatten Nyquist like a pancake and break his bones if they collided. Datsyuk is the most solid 190 lbs in the history of earth. Nyquist is 165 lbs of Hudler. Thats why Nyquist is where he is and Datsyuk is where he is.

Yeah, Holland must be lying for some reason. It's all a conspiracy. Occam's razor, man. He's just playing more minutes down there because we don't have to drag him up now. I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Datsyuk.



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:55 PM

How about Hudler and Ericsson for Bogosian??? :)
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

I mean yeah I would trade Nyquist or Tatar for Bogosian in a heartbeat too. But I doubt Cheveldayoff goes for that but who knows. The good news is Kenny is looking around...

 

Right, I wasn't being clear.  You'd obviously need to trade more than Nyquist or Tatar, they would just be the center piece of a package for sure.  I would think that Nyquist and a second would get Volchenkov, Nyquist and a first for Bogosian.  I'd make either trade though.  Maybe sweeten the pot with a couple of our throwaway forwards if anyone were interested (Emmerton, Mursak)...or, if Eaves turns out to be healthy and ready to go I'd consider moving Miller as well. 

 

Whatever the package, we've got assets now, and as I've said elsewhere, considering neither Bogosian or Volchenkov are top 20 d-men in the league I think they could be had for something like what I've proposed above. 

 

Edit: Another guy like the two I've mentioned is Robyn Regehr.  Given his age and Buffalo's glut of defensemen I think he could be had as well. 

 

As you can see from the types of guys I'm listing, what I want is a physical, shut down defender, who can play big minutes.  I couldn't care less about how many points they score, and point totals are typically what make defensemen so expensive in the first place.  Any of these guys could be had, Bogosian would cost the most, so I'd lean toward the other two first. 


Edited by kipwinger, 18 January 2013 - 08:31 PM.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 08:16 PM

Sure these guys "could" play in the NHL, but are they really good enough?

 

Forgive my ignorance since I don't follow the Griffins, but I haven't heard much about these 2 in particular, and I'm guessing if they were in fact good enough - they'd be regulars in Detroit, and Holland wouldn't be signing guys like Samuelsson in the off season.

Tatar and Nyquist are PPG in AHL. Definitely ready to be called up at this point it almost sickens me to see them down. If we played some players like this with potential they could possibly make others expendable and we could have trade bait finally. Nothing of worth comes from running the wheels off Bert, Cleary, and Sammy. We get nothing of value from them for the future.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 08:38 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="dirtydangles" data-cid="2341401" data-time="1358558181"><p>
Tatar and Nyquist are PPG in AHL. Definitely ready to be called up at this point it almost sickens me to see them down. If we played some players like this with potential they could possibly make others expendable and we could have trade bait finally. Nothing of worth comes from running the wheels off Bert, Cleary, and Sammy. We get nothing of value from them for the future.</p></blockquote>


Id rather see the young guns make a lot of mistakes and us get bounced in round 1 than bert and sammy suck and us get bounced in rnd 1.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 08:54 PM

How about Hudler and Ericsson for Bogosian??? :)

Think Jay Feaster would agree to that?



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 08:56 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="The Axe" data-cid="2341411" data-time="1358559497"><p>
<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="dirtydangles" data-cid="2341401" data-time="1358558181"><p><br />
Tatar and Nyquist are PPG in AHL.
Definitely ready to be called up at this point it almost sickens me to see them down. If we played some players like this with potential they could possibly make others expendable and we could have trade bait finally. Nothing of worth comes from running the wheels off Bert, Cleary, and Sammy. We get nothing of value from them for the future.</p></blockquote><br />
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Id rather see the young guns make a lot of mistakes and us get bounced in round 1 than bert and sammy suck and us get bounced in rnd 1.</p></blockquote>


This

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="ogreslayer" data-cid="2341424" data-time="1358560467"><p>
Think Jay Feaster would agree to that?</p></blockquote>

Seems like Kenny didn't agreed...
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