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Right handed shot, can play physical, decent on both sides of the ice and a decent contract to take on. I haven't watched him a ton but he's still improving at a good age of 25 is what most people are saying.

TBH I don't know why Toronto wants to get rid of him. Like mentioned earlier by someone they should try getting rid of a few other d-men before Franson. All opinion of course :P



One of the better options I've heard for d-men out there and the price could be reasonable without giving up an arm and a leg. Just saying.

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I read that we have interest in Bogosian. I wonder what they'd want for him. I wouldn't mind Bouwmeester if the deal was right and I think it could be. He's in the last year of his deal and there's nothing going around that he has a huge interest in staying. Calgary can't exactly be picky, he's more likely to walk in a few months for nothing. We can afford him for now and I don't think he's done enough to warrant a raise, even if Calgary's dead ass defensive system completely neutered his play style. The only negative I see aside from him potentially playing poorly (a risk you take with almost any player) is that he could walk from us in a few months too. But I kinda doubt he would. He's played on dysfunctional horrible teams his whole career. We not only make players feel more at home and more inclined to stay, but we could be his ticket to the postseason for the first time and years to come. If the asking price is right I'd risk it.

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Right handed shot, can play physical, decent on both sides of the ice and a decent contract to take on. I haven't watched him a ton but he's still improving at a good age of 25 is what most people are saying.

TBH I don't know why Toronto wants to get rid of him. Like mentioned earlier by someone they should try getting rid of a few other d-men before Franson. All opinion of course :P

One of the better options I've heard for d-men out there and the price could be reasonable without giving up an arm and a leg. Just saying.

Well I definitely hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Franson plays pretty much the exact same game as Kyle Quincey, except maybe less defensively responsible. He's a guy with decent size, who CAN play the PP but shouldn't, who COULD be more physical but isn't, who's alright defensively but not shutdown capable, and who's a decent puck mover but not going to give you much more that 25-30 pts.

There's nothing especially bad about Franson, but there's nothing that makes him any better than White, Colaiacovo, or Quincey. He's considerably worse than Kronwall. Doesn't play as big as Ericsson. So you'd essentially be trading for a 5,6,7 defenseman who's an upgrade over Kindl but nothing else.

I'd rather they save the assets and move on a legit top four d-man. Not take on another middling defenseman to log jam the bottom pair.

Also, as I've already stated. It would be nice if at least one of our defensemen was actually REALLY good at playing defense rather than just putting up points.

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Well I definitely hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Franson plays pretty much the exact same game as Kyle Quincey, except maybe less defensively responsible. He's a guy with decent size, who CAN play the PP but shouldn't, who COULD be more physical but isn't, who's alright defensively but not shutdown capable, and who's a decent puck mover but not going to give you much more that 25-30 pts.

There's nothing especially bad about Franson, but there's nothing that makes him any better than White, Colaiacovo, or Quincey. He's considerably worse than Kronwall. Doesn't play as big as Ericsson. So you'd essentially be trading for a 5,6,7 defenseman who's an upgrade over Kindl but nothing else.

I'd rather they save the assets and move on a legit top four d-man. Not take on another middling defenseman to log jam the bottom pair.

Also, as I've already stated. It would be nice if at least one of our defensemen was actually REALLY good at playing defense rather than just putting up points.

Fair enough and I'm not gonna argue with you. I see you're point about Franson being a 5,6,7 d-man. I think he could become better than that but oh well. Not a # 1 or 2 guy but more 3 or 4 guy. I agree with the Quincey comparison though. However I'm a firm believer in guys that change organzations and systems sometimes it brings out the better in them. Probably a long shot at getting Franson so I'm not holding my breath. But I'm still gonna pass on Bouwmeester and highly doubt Bogosian gets traded. Along with Yandle which I wouldn't mind. The price tags are more than likely going to be steep.

Who do you like again as potential top 4-man via trade or signing?

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Fair enough and I'm not gonna argue with you. I see you're point about Franson being a 5,6,7 d-man. I think he could become better than that but oh well. Not a # 1 or 2 guy but more 3 or 4 guy. I agree with the Quincey comparison though. However I'm a firm believer in guys that change organzations and systems sometimes it brings out the better in them. Probably a long shot at getting Franson so I'm not holding my breath. But I'm still gonna pass on Bouwmeester and highly doubt Bogosian gets traded. Along with Yandle which I wouldn't mind. The price tags are more than likely going to be steep.

Who do you like again as potential top 4-man via trade or signing?

Bogosian and Anton Volchenkov. I think either of them could be had if you were willing to part with Nyquist (or maybe Tatar) as their respective teams need a lot of offensive help. Bogosian has been actively being shopping since last year's trade deadline.

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Bogosian and Anton Volchenkov. I think either of them could be had if you were willing to part with Nyquist (or maybe Tatar) as their respective teams need a lot of offensive help. Bogosian has been actively being shopping since last year's trade deadline.

I mean yeah I would trade Nyquist or Tatar for Bogosian in a heartbeat too. But I doubt Cheveldayoff goes for that but who knows. The good news is Kenny is looking around...

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I doubt there's anyway we get Bogosian without having to cough up Smith and one or both of Tatar and Nyquist, unfortunately.

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jets will likely not move bogosian, and certainly not for some lightweight prospect like nyquist.

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jets will likely not move bogosian, and certainly not for some lightweight prospect like nyquist.

You there, stop it. Stop thinking logically.

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I mean yeah I would trade Nyquist or Tatar for Bogosian in a heartbeat too. But I doubt Cheveldayoff goes for that but who knows. The good news is Kenny is looking around...
I doubt there's anyway we get Bogosian without having to cough up Smith and one or both of Tatar and Nyquist, unfortunately.

Gotta agree with both guys above; I doubt we'll get Bogosian for our spare parts.

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I want us to have Franzen, Franson, and Francen. Then we will never know who to bash.

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<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="shoobiedoobin" data-cid="2341311" data-time="1358540930"><p>

We're online Wings fans, we'll just bash all of them.</p></blockquote>

Ha! Right. Forgot. :-)

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Gotta agree with both guys above; I doubt we'll get Bogosian for our spare parts.

Neither Nyquist nor Tatar are spare parts. Both are two of the better two way forwards in the AHL, and if packaged with a decent pick either of them could easily land a guy like Bogosian, who is not a top 20 defenseman in the NHL.

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Neither Nyquist nor Tatar are spare parts. Both are two of the better two way forwards in the AHL, and if packaged with a decent pick either of them could easily land a guy like Bogosian, who is not a top 20 defenseman in the NHL.

I think we view our prospects like someone viewing an abstract painting. We stare until we see something that isn't there. Just like we speculate about prospects so long positively that it gets boring or we start to feel too blindly homerish, or both, and we begin to look for perceived shortcomings. And we also compare them to current players and those players respective paths too much. Everyone develops differently. Some go the way of Hank, some go the way of Franzen, some go their own way.

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Ericsson on the top pairing. I think that's what scares me/us more than anything, re: our blue line.

Kronwall - Ericsson

Just doesn't look, sound, read, feel, smell, taste right.

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Neither Nyquist nor Tatar are spare parts. Both are two of the better two way forwards in the AHL, and if packaged with a decent pick either of them could easily land a guy like Bogosian, who is not a top 20 defenseman in the NHL.

Well - Bogosian may not be in the NHL's top 20 Dmen, but neither Nyquist, nor Tatar are NHL regulars...What good will those 2 do for Winnipeg - unless of course they need players for their farm club?

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Well - Bogosian may not be in the NHL's top 20 Dmen, but neither Nyquist, nor Tatar are NHL regulars...What good will those 2 do for Winnipeg - unless of course they need players for their farm club?

Tatar and Nyquist can play in the NHL. We have them in the AHL by choice. Winnipeg could start them, or if they're smart, groom them on their AHL team like we do but whatever. If we trade them I don't care what they do with them.

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Tatar and Nyquist can play in the NHL. We have them in the AHL by choice. Winnipeg could start them, or if they're smart, groom them on their AHL team like we do but whatever. If we trade them I don't care what they do with them.

Sure these guys "could" play in the NHL, but are they really good enough?

Forgive my ignorance since I don't follow the Griffins, but I haven't heard much about these 2 in particular, and I'm guessing if they were in fact good enough - they'd be regulars in Detroit, and Holland wouldn't be signing guys like Samuelsson in the off season.

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<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="F.Michael" data-cid="2341345" data-time="1358546481"><p>

Sure these guys "could" play in the NHL, but are they really good enough?<br />

<br />

Forgive my ignorance since I don't follow the Griffins, but I haven't heard much about these 2 in particular, and I'm guessing if they were in fact good enough - they'd be regulars in Detroit, and Holland wouldn't be signing guys like Samuelsson in the off season.</p></blockquote>

Ding Ding Ding! Nyquist is the next Datsyuk, but we are "grooming" him. Yah right. Datsyuk would flatten Nyquist like a pancake and break his bones if they collided. Datsyuk is the most solid 190 lbs in the history of earth. Nyquist is 165 lbs of Hudler. Thats why Nyquist is where he is and Datsyuk is where he is.

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Sure these guys "could" play in the NHL, but are they really good enough?

Forgive my ignorance since I don't follow the Griffins, but I haven't heard much about these 2 in particular, and I'm guessing if they were in fact good enough - they'd be regulars in Detroit, and Holland wouldn't be signing guys like Samuelsson in the off season.

They could definitely play but we're afforded the opportunity to let them ripen a little more in the AHL. They're not there because they have to be. It's like when Helm came up-he could've stayed quite easily but we chose to send him down.

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="F.Michael" data-cid="2341345" data-time="1358546481"><p>

Sure these guys "could" play in the NHL, but are they really good enough?<br />

<br />

Forgive my ignorance since I don't follow the Griffins, but I haven't heard much about these 2 in particular, and I'm guessing if they were in fact good enough - they'd be regulars in Detroit, and Holland wouldn't be signing guys like Samuelsson in the off season.</p></blockquote>

Ding Ding Ding! Nyquist is the next Datsyuk, but we are "grooming" him. Yah right. Datsyuk would flatten Nyquist like a pancake and break his bones if they collided. Datsyuk is the most solid 190 lbs in the history of earth. Nyquist is 165 lbs of Hudler. Thats why Nyquist is where he is and Datsyuk is where he is.

Yeah, Holland must be lying for some reason. It's all a conspiracy. Occam's razor, man. He's just playing more minutes down there because we don't have to drag him up now. I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Datsyuk.

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