pondrocket 35 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 Teams are businesses. That's one reason why Holland is unwilling to trade away future assets: it's better business for a team to remai ncompetitive but not good enough to win it all than it is for teams to go far sometimes and tank the rest. Exactly, if I allowed my teritory to to slip each year & I couldn't demonstrate that I was looking at my businesess in new ways & had a strategy to improve it & didn't execute any meaningful changes within three years. I would be gone. It is a business. 1 BadgerBob reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadgerBob 297 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 Yeah...Dats and Gaborik won't make a good combo. God that was filthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted April 3, 2013 Exactly, if I allowed my teritory to to slip each year & I couldn't demonstrate that I was looking at my businesess in new ways & had a strategy to improve it & didn't execute any meaningful changes within three years. I would be gone. It is a business. The business is doing just fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 I don't think that Mike Ilitch is fully aware of much that's going on around him, sadly. Age has taken its toll. Do you have a source for that? He certainly looks physically frail but isn't he still giving interviews? You've been awfully quick to call him senile and a drunk, but I haven't heard anything about dementia or whatever it is you're implying. Wondering if I've missed something as I don't live in Detroit anymore so I don't follow the local news there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,485 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 Do you have a source for that? He certainly looks physically frail but isn't he still giving interviews? You've been awfully quick to call him senile and a drunk, but I haven't heard anything about dementia or whatever it is you're implying. Wondering if I've missed something as I don't live in Detroit anymore so I don't follow the local news there. so what if he is drunk, what difference does that make to anyone? the guy is an 85 year old billionaire, maybe he just wants to eat a hot n ready, have some beers and watch the tigers, who cares Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 If Holland stands pat at this deadline, then I'm joining the "Fire Holland" crowd. 3 Red Crazy, canadian wings fan and Euro_Twins reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOwl 77 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 Anyone who thinks trading for Gaborik would be a mistake is a fool. He would instantly be our second best goal scorer on the team, if not the best. Wings needed someone exactly like him. Is it just me, or has Holland not made a signifcant move since signing Hossa? I mean come on, almost every single player on the roster has been drafted by the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canadian wings fan 305 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 its the truth. Let's all give Holland a standing ovation for his excellent trade deadline acquistions. Mikeal Samuelson, Todd Bertuzzi, and Darren Helm 2 GMRwings1983 and pondrocket reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pondrocket 35 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 The business is doing just fine. If becoming less significant, selling less merch (globally), drawing less in other arenas (compared to last 10 years), less attractive to free agents and being less competative is the definition of doing fine you have no concept of determining any business's health. Cheers to you & to having enough time (clearly not being intimate with any business) to do another 10,000.00 posts. 1 esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pondrocket 35 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 I don't think that Mike Ilitch is fully aware of much that's going on around him, sadly. Age has taken its toll. Mike is completely aware. Critique the teams performance, vent about your dissipointment it's all well and good. We all appreciate th Wings and or hockey in general but to be so personally insulting about someone that has contributed to Hockey and fans of Detroit hockey is irresponsible. It's too bad. If Holland stands pat at this deadline, then I'm joining the "Fire Holland" crowd. Welcome to the club 1 Dominator2005 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salviaman 104 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 Fire Holland 3 Dominator2005, alienanxiety and SaCkaveli20 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alienanxiety 23 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 Flog Holland. 1 evilmrt reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ami 273 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) Fire Holland? Fire Battman, Fire this, fire that.... HA! If Detroit Red Wings or/and the league itself, are to be managed by majority vote on this board or any other group of random people for that matter, there would be no NHL, no Red Wings.... and no this board Move on! Edited April 3, 2013 by ami 1 Nightfall reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashyG 1,799 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 Until the Wings miss the playoffs for a couple seasons, and Mike Babcock is fired there won't even be a discussion about replacing Holland. Keep dreaming guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadgerBob 297 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 Seems to be we need to follow everyone else's formula to get good players: tank for four to five years to get your core players then add role players around them. Obviously Ken doesn't wanna give up anyone in trades and can't seem to lure in big time FA's anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslogo19 281 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 I wonder if Kenny is now going to try and re-sign Flip now that he wasn't traded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 I wonder if Kenny is now going to try and re-sign Flip now that he wasn't traded. I would think so. Otherwise he definitely should've traded him in some deal before he lost Flip for nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,485 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 I would think so. Otherwise he definitely should've traded him in some deal before he lost Flip for nothing. hudler... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 I'd like to see a reporter ask Holland what his definition of 'transition' year is. Because to me, that definition isn't 'lets let all of our talent age and leave while we hope somebody we drafted becomes a superstar.' To transition, you need to get help. You don't just hope your young players getting good barely overlaps with your good players getting bad. I agreed that rentals weren't the way to go, buy how could Gaborik not have helped in a transition? Pominville? Our prospects are good, but we will be very lucky if one of them turns into a star. So most likely outcome is we will have a solid team for years, but without trades and UFA signings we won't be a great one. I'm baffled by standing pat this year. Last year made sense, but this just reeks of a missed opportunity. It was a good deadline for a lot of teams. These windows don't open often in the new NHL. Is the UFA class so great this summer? 5 esteef, haroldsnepsts, Z Winged Dangler and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadgerBob 297 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 I'm baffled by standing pat this year. Last year made sense, but this just reeks of a missed opportunity. It was a good deadline for a lot of teams. These windows don't open often in the new NHL. Is the UFA class so great this summer? I'd say most teams did pretty well, by either adding players or getting rid of guys that take up salary. I can't believe the Wings were one of very few teams that didn't do anything. The FA class this summer definitely got worse now that Perry and Getzlaf were extended in Anaheim. Here's the list for you if you care to look: http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rking72 13 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 I didn't care if we were buyers or sellers, I could understand an argument for either. I just thought it would be nuts to stand pat, that makes nooo sense whatsoever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 esteef 3 pondrocket, GMRwings1983 and Euro_Twins reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 I'd say most teams did pretty well, by either adding players or getting rid of guys that take up salary. I can't believe the Wings were one of very few teams that didn't do anything. The FA class this summer definitely got worse now that Perry and Getzlaf were extended in Anaheim. Here's the list for you if you care to look: http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents Wow, that's pretty much just a list of 3rd and 4th liners and 5th and 6th defensemen. Awesome. Can't wait to not acquire a scoring winger in the offseason as well. Thank god Nyquist is the answer to that problem...oh wait...nevermind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlashyG 1,799 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 I'd say most teams did pretty well, by either adding players or getting rid of guys that take up salary. I can't believe the Wings were one of very few teams that didn't do anything. The FA class this summer definitely got worse now that Perry and Getzlaf were extended in Anaheim. Here's the list for you if you care to look: http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents I don't think the Wings ever planned to be active in the FA market this offseason, with the cap dropping the only way we could afford to sign anyone is by buying someone out. I think the team we will ice next season will be almost exactly the same as this seasons with the only differences being Cleary, Miller and White out and a couple of our prospects getting regular shifts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MasterPavel 115 Report post Posted April 3, 2013 I don't think the Wings ever planned to be active in the FA market this offseason, with the cap dropping the only way we could afford to sign anyone is by buying someone out. I think the team we will ice next season will be almost exactly the same as this seasons with the only differences being Cleary, Miller and White out and a couple of our prospects getting regular shifts. Yippie... Clarkson or Horton would be nice though. Other than that there isn't anything to get excited about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
