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#21 Datsyukian-Deke

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:13 AM

 
 
If by "spontaneously combust" you mean become a defensive liability via turnovers and poor decision making with pinches and passes, then yes, he will burst into flames. 


He may have a snook up his snizz too lmao! Not sure if you'll get the reference.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:22 AM

If Holland doesn't buyout Sammy and if he re-signs Cleary for even .30 cents, then this will no longer be an overreaction thread....it will be a legit gripe thread...

 

first, the OP mentioned that Holland held on to Maltby and Draper too long, well I do agree, but Cleary is nowhere near Maltby or Draper, so holding on to him for 3 more years would be committing genocide on this team....


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:43 AM

If we dont get Vanek, Kenny needs to go.

A softer, more expensive Franzen.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:06 AM

not an overreaction, just an observation....

 

remember when the Wings were looking for FA's and they stood in line to sign

 

my favourite year.....Hasek, Robitaille and Hull

 

*sigh*

 

now we cant even get Vinnie and holland gets excited over a dude who plays for the Panthers

 

*sigh*


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#25 LeftWinger

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:23 AM

not an overreaction, just an observation....

 

remember when the Wings were looking for FA's and they stood in line to sign

 

my favourite year.....Hasek, Robitaille and Hull

 

*sigh*

 

now we cant even get Vinnie and holland gets excited over a dude who plays for the Panthers

 

*sigh*

 

With all due respect, Hasek was a trade and no one else wanted Robitaille, not even LA.  Hull didn't sign until August, so he didn't have many suitors either...and we were shunned by the #1 UFA that year, Roenick.

 

I do hear you though, it was nice when players wanted to come to Detroit.  I do not know what happened to lose our lore, but maybe a Cup or two in the next 4 years would change that...


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#26 dirtydangles

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:32 AM

A softer, more expensive Franzen.

Vanek is younger and a much more effective goalscorer than Franzen. It doesn't get much softer than regular season Franzen. 


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:39 AM

How is it overreaction to expect the best franchise in all of hockey to get the players they want?
The top UFA players next year will want to cash in too...! So at some point the Wings have to show their financial power again.
Heck the Flyers don't have enough capspace but yet are finding ways to land UFAs.
Building from within is nice but you have to surround the only two remaining superstars with other pro ven guys and this not willing to overpay mantra will not get the job done.
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My point is that it it seems as soon as a players name becomes available, we expect Kenny to deliver. That's fine, but don't call for his head every time he doesn't sign or trade for that piece - especially since he has a 1/29 chance to do it, and it usually requires an overpayment either financially or from our farm.

The UFA class next year is better because there is much better talent, the cap will be back up, and Sammy, Bert, Gustavvson, Eaves, and Quincey will be off the books.

In terms of Holmgren, look at the big picture. He has 0 cap space, Giroux,, Schenn, Coutorier, all RFA'S to sign next year and one, bad goalie. Then compare Philadelphias succes since 07 to ours, and its easy to see why these moves aren't always beneficial.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:43 AM


A softer, more expensive Franzen.


Vanek is younger and a much more effective goalscorer than Franzen. It doesn't get much softer than regular season Franzen. 


Is Vanek even on the market? If so he would cost a lot of assets and will be looking for a huge payday one year from now.

It must nice having UFAs wanting to come Detroit and be part of a great team like mentioned and currently...? People should get excited about players like Ribiero or Weiss? Come on that is not Redwings style.

Praising Holland for not overpaying is one thing but the other thing is:
UFAs want to join winners they want to go to teams, which have and can attract stars the Wings being cheap and not willing to overpay won't induce them to join the opposite will happen --->top players are staying away and without them no chance of improving.

At some point the Wings have to show them that they are still a top destination and are willing to pay, if Holland won't do it then by all means it is time for him to become the vice president of hockey operations and let some else run the show.

Wasting Z, Pasha best years like that is a tough pill to swallow..

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:46 AM

 
 
If by "spontaneously combust" you mean become a defensive liability via turnovers and poor decision making with pinches and passes, then yes, he will burst into flames. 


Yes Smith had a poor half season. We all saw what he was capable of in 2011-2012 though and I unlike most here apparently am quite confident it will turn around for him this year and he will be solid for us. There was way to much pressure on our entire defensive core this year, and with dekeyser on the back end now everything should settle down

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:47 AM

Its not an overreaction to say Holland hasn't been living up to his reputation the last 5 seasons. The guy has without a doubt let the roster get stale and the teams declining results prove that. It started with him hanging on to Draper and Maltby way to long and now hes doing the same with Bert and Cleary. He hasn't made a solid free agent signing since Rafalski and a good trade since Stuart.


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Good Trade: The 18th pick in the 2013 NHL draft for Anthony Mantha and Tyler Bertuzzi.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:49 AM

I hope we put Samuelsson on regular waivers, send him to GR, and then not even play him.  I am disgusted by his lack of class.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:51 AM

Yes Smith had a poor half season. We all saw what he was capable of in 2011-2012 though and I unlike most here apparently am quite confident it will turn around for him this year and he will be solid for us. There was way to much pressure on our entire defensive core this year, and with dekeyser on the back end now everything should settle down

Exactly.

I know this is the overreaction thread, but as has been said before regarding Smith, he's played a whopping 48 regular season games in the NHL. With more experience he should improve.

In spite of his inexperience, in the playoffs he was essentially tied with Quincey for third in TOI per game and was also on the PK. Part of the reason he looked so shaky was because he got thrown in the deep end.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:02 AM

Smith is going to be good.  He made typical Rookie mistakes in the playoffs.  He BY FAR did not cause us to lose to Chicago...our lack of scoring did that.  We scored 10 goals in the first 4 games and only 5 the next three...  The D was green, yes, but we lost games 6 and 7 by one goal each.  Only scored 1 goal in games 5 and 7...all elimination games.  I like Smith, I hope is here to stay...we gambled on Ericsson and look how long we waited for Kindl to resemble a NHL defenseman...Smith is worth the same gamble.


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#34 Travis

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:04 AM

Smith is going to be good.  He made typical Rookie mistakes in the playoffs.  He BY FAR did not cause us to lose to Chicago...our lack of scoring did that.  We scored 10 goals in the first 4 games and only 5 the next three...  The D was green, yes, but we lost games 6 and 7 by one goal each.  Only scored 1 goal in games 5 and 7...all elimination games.  I like Smith, I hope is here to stay...we gambled on Ericsson and look how long we waited for Kindl to resemble a NHL defenseman...Smith is worth the same gamble.

 

Absolutely. Defensemen always take awhile to develop. I think people are quick to judge because of the Calder trophy hype that was flying around these parts which were unrealistic. 


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:06 AM

Smith is going to be good.  He made typical Rookie mistakes in the playoffs.  He BY FAR did not cause us to lose to Chicago...our lack of scoring did that.  We scored 10 goals in the first 4 games and only 5 the next three...  The D was green, yes, but we lost games 6 and 7 by one goal each.  Only scored 1 goal in games 5 and 7...all elimination games.  I like Smith, I hope is here to stay...we gambled on Ericsson and look how long we waited for Kindl to resemble a NHL defenseman...Smith is worth the same gamble.

Agreed. People seem to want the rookies to get more time and not "overripen" but then you also have to expect big mistakes.

I think we've been spoiled watching Lidstrom for so long. But even the top D men sometimes make awful plays. Chara was mostly great in the playoffs but had a couple head scrathing defensive lapses. There's Boyle blowing past Suter on an end to end rush like he was Bobby Orr.

If it happens to those guys, then the kids who haven't even had a full season in the NHL are going to get exposed as they adjust to playing at a new level.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:07 AM

I will fully admit that the overreacting on here drives me nuts, at times. I agree with your first two points 100%. After that, we tend to have a different view of the situations.
 

 
3. This is my primary disagreement. I have seen others on here wanting him bought out to add some fancy new free agent to the team. I couldn't care less about the cap hit coming off the books if a Samuelsson buyout were to occur; it's about making room on the roster for the younger guys. The man can barely stay healthy for more than a handful of games at a time, and if he does... what real good does he do? Do you want him in your top 6, seriously? He's a 3 million dollar third liner. If his presence on the team next season means that one of Tatar or Nyquist does not have a spot, it's absolute garbage. Cap isn't the issue here - it's a useless player taking away from the progress of others.
4. This isn't so much me disagreeing as it is me simply stating: I don't care if we're not good next year, as we were this year. I didn't care how much noise we made this year, either. Part of us doing well may be used as a justification for bringing a guy like Cleary back, at the expense of some younger guys learning from Z and Datsyuk, first hand. I like Cleary, but I feel his time has passed. Success with this team = Holland things he's got a fantastic team = "well, I guess we can still let the kids overripe." I'm not an advocate of bringing in overpriced, lower-tier FA talent - I'm a fan of letting our young guys get the proper experience now with some of the more talented two-way centers in the game.
5. It's fine to look right now and see that FA class, but how many of those guys will actually be there come next summer. Tons of teams lock up their UFA's before they hit the market. Again, I don't want anyone in this year's FA class, but to say that we're saving for next summer has been kind of a cop out for several years now, and was really only a solid idea when Parise and Suter tested the market (Bad outcome, but those are the guys you throw money at.) Don't get me wrong, there are some nice names there (Vanek, Gabs, Kessel, Pominville, etc.)... but how many will actually make it to July 1st?


3. The point is simply that its better to pay Samuelsson to sit in the press box if we aren't going to spend the $10+ Million on THIS free agent class. Much like last year, we started and finished the season with a ton of cap space, so why waste our last buyout on a guy with one year left on his contract when Johan Franzen still has 7 left on his. Foolish to not see how he plays for one more season.

4. Cleary should not get a 3 year contract, but unfortunately I can see why he might. He was our third best player in the playoffs. He finished second in points, and played like a warrior most games. Moving to the eastern conference, he remains one of our ONLY players that plays the style of game you need to to get from most of your roster to battle in the east. Still more polished then ABBY and his point totals reflect that...

5. Next summer, while i know players will still be resigned the free agent class is still going to be MUCH better than this years, but the biggest wildcard will be the compliance buyouts. Next year, the window closes on any chance of cap relief for the remainder of this CBA. Names like Kovalchuk, Parise, Richards, Hossa, are already being talked about.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:13 AM

Let's not forget that it's highly likely Holland is still trying to orchestrate a trade.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:16 AM

Dueling fans this morning! LOL.

I don't know what an overreaction is, but if it is fans wanting their teams GM to improve the team, ok consider me part of the overreaction crowd. That does not mean I am going to jump up and down cuss and walk around pissed off. After all, I am just a fan and have no influence to change anything. That being said, what is the job of a GM? His number 1 job is to improve his team. That is true of every GM in every sport. As of today are the RW's a better team? No. As of today are the RW's a worse team? maybe. Is the off season done? No. is there time to still improve? yes.

Now what is going to happen? No idea. if it was September 1 and our roster is still the same, I will be fair more upset than on July 3.

We all know and understand that this is a team that needs a lot of help at forward. We are small, not very physical, and offensively challenged. This hasn't changed. We lack stars in our top 2 lines. But most of us also understood that this years UFA class was weak.

yes I also understand that it is frustrating to watch star players go to other teams while we largely stand pat. Be it UFA's or trades. Yes Holland has made some mistakes-what GM hasn't? Cola, Bert, Sammy are prime examples. But that is done. Now it is time to focus on what WILL happen in the future. Which of course is something that none of us know. Yet.



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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:19 AM

Let's not forget that it's highly likely Holland is still trying to orchestrate a trade.

But the price will inevitably be too high and we will be left with extra spare parts. 


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 10:20 AM

It always looks better next year, right Kenny?  Always next year...

 

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