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Sample sizes are small at this point. Filppula isn't going to end up with the 75 points he is on pace for...nor is Weiss going to end up with the 14 points he is on pace for...things will normalize over the course of a long season.

So your logic is that Weiss is new to his team so his production will improve while Filppula, since he is new to his team, is producing at higher than normal levels?

If you have ever played higher level hockey you would understand going to a different team and learning the style of play is not always easy, you end up bringing bad habits from your previous team. Your comparing Flip who was here 7 years to Weiss who was here 11 games.

Why didn't Filppula need an adjustment period going to Tampa?

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These first 11 games are just as important as any other 11 games. Telling us to wait and see what Weiss does is incredibly bad for the team. We in all seriousness could be out of the playoffs solely because of the first 11 games. Is it going to happen this year? Unlikely, but it could, and a lot of the blame would lie on Weiss. He needs to step up. I don't care how long he's been here. He needs to step up.

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Ill make my final judgement on him after christmas. As of now obviously not impressed, but not nearly as ready to write him off as i am with Cleary, Franzen, Sammy. Ill give Weiss the benefit of the doubt here based on the transition.

But there is something to be said about how once guys leave (Hudler, Filpula) after playing on the team for a while theyre instantly producing more elsewhere. And guys who come in take time to get going. Does that mean the wings are better because our guys play such a high level, thus they shine elsewhere, or worse because they cant produce with what weve got? It could be either, neither or both.

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These first 11 games are just as important as any other 11 games. Telling us to wait and see what Weiss does is incredibly bad for the team. We in all seriousness could be out of the playoffs solely because of the first 11 games. Is it going to happen this year? Unlikely, but it could, and a lot of the blame would lie on Weiss. He needs to step up. I don't care how long he's been here. He needs to step up.

Overreact much? lol Sorry neither Weiss or any one player is responsible for our start/lacklustre offence.

But there is something to be said about how once guys leave (Hudler, Filpula) after playing on the team for a while theyre instantly producing more elsewhere. And guys who come in take time to get going. Does that mean the wings are better because our guys play such a high level, thus they shine elsewhere, or worse because they cant produce with what weve got? It could be either, neither or both.

I think it's a combination of adjusting to new systems/coaches/playing styles as well mental adversity and the pressure to perform. Sometimes people just need a fresh start.

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Because they didn't ask him to learn a completely different system.

Oh Tampa Bay plays the same system as the Wings? Hm that's really weird..... One of us must be retarded because we are seeing two completely different things.

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So your logic is that Weiss is new to his team so his production will improve while Filppula, since he is new to his team, is producing at higher than normal levels?

No my point was that lots of crazy things can happen with small samples that may have nothing to do with whether he is on a new team or not. Players have hot and cold streaks, might be battling undisclosed injuries, might be unlucky, might be lucky, might be off his game....once the season is over, the point discrepancy won't be as wide as it projects to be today.

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Oh Tampa Bay plays the same system as the Wings? Hm that's really weird..... One of us must be retarded because we are seeing two completely different things.

Really no need to use that word. It's really disrepectful to a lot of mentally handicapped people. If you're frustrated that someone doesn't agree with you, counter it with facts. I agree with Euro_Twins, but I can understand your viewpoint. You can respectfully disagree with someone.

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Because they didn't ask him to learn a completely different system.

What system is that? Please explain the different "systems" that each team plays and what exactly is it that Weiss has to adjust to. Did Alfredsson not have to adjust to a new system or does Ottawa play the same system or ?? I'm not following.

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Because they didn't ask him to learn a completely different system.

I'll agree with you on the fact that he needs time to adjust, but he looks soft on the puck which has nothing to do with learning a system. I say move him to the wing with Z and see what he does in a couple games if no improvement you have to sit him. I'm not saying putting him on bench solves the problem but maybe it lights a fire under his ass and makes him fight for a spot instead of letting the pressure of signing a big contract swallow him. Or at least for my sanities I hope so.

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So your logic is that Weiss is new to his team so his production will improve while Filppula, since he is new to his team, is producing at higher than normal levels?

Filppula is an intelligent player, he's worked with Babcock and knows the Wing's system. The same can be said for Brunner (despite his short tenure with Detroit) & Hudler, Weiss however has been playing for the Panthers... Need I say more?

What system is that? Please explain the different "systems" that each team plays and what exactly is it that Weiss has to adjust to. Did Alfredsson not have to adjust to a new system or does Ottawa play the same system or ?? I'm not following.

Detroit is a puck possession team, and since the days of Bowman's "left wing lock" have never really been a dump & chase team.

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Whew, well at least he has heart and soul. He's probably a warrior, too! Who needs goals, when you got heart.

Your sarcasm aside, if it's true he's a heart and soul guy, that means he's not the type to just give up. Ego, he will come around.

Never said anything about his lack of goal scoring.

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Filppula is an intelligent player, he's worked with Babcock and knows the Wing's system. The same can be said for Brunner (despite his short tenure with Detroit) & Hudler, Weiss however has been playing for the Panthers... Need I say more?

Detroit is a puck possession team, and since the days of Bowman's "left wing lock" have never really been a dump & chase team.

Detroit plays puck possession? LOL

Your sarcasm aside, if it's true he's a heart and soul guy, that means he's not the type to just give up. Ego, he will come around.

Never said anything about his lack of goal scoring.

Anyone who has made it to the professional level probably isn't apt to "give up" over a few bad games.

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Filppula is an intelligent player, he's worked with Babcock and knows the Wing's system. The same can be said for Brunner (despite his short tenure with Detroit) & Hudler, Weiss however has been playing for the Panthers... Need I say more?

I think if you're arguing that Filppula doesn't need time to adjust and Weiss does it simply boils down to Filppula being the better player.

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weiss is centering his own line. sure his expectations are high since he was centering the first line in florida, but wings play a lot differently

fil couldnt center his own line, fil points mostly came with the help of dats, Z, or mule

id like to see what weiss could do with Z or dats

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We can't play every friggin forward with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Weiss was signed to be the second line center. We don't need another unproductive winger paired with either of those guys.

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my only concern with weiss is he gets bumped off the puck easily. other than that its obvious that hes a really good player. he needs to develop some chemistry with his line mates.

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IF FILPPULA WAS ON THIS TEAM HE WOULD HAVE 20 GOALS BY NOW

HE WAS ALWAYS A BIG PRODUCER FOR US AND WHY WE LET HIM GO IS BEYOND ME

JUST LOOK AT HOW HE'S DOING IN TB - 30 GOALS ALREADY

WHEN HAS WEISS EVER PUT UP THE KIND OF NUMBERS FLIP HAS?

I REST MY CASE

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IF FILPPULA WAS ON THIS TEAM HE WOULD HAVE 20 GOALS BY NOW

HE WAS ALWAYS A BIG PRODUCER FOR US AND WHY WE LET HIM GO IS BEYOND ME

JUST LOOK AT HOW HE'S DOING IN TB - 30 GOALS ALREADY

WHEN HAS WEISS EVER PUT UP THE KIND OF NUMBERS FLIP HAS?

I REST MY CASE

It's a nice attempt to create a distraction from the discussion at hand, but the bottom line is, Weiss was given a big contract to center a second line, to help produce more offense, to allow 13 and 40 to play together, and so far, he has performed well below expectations.

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Let me clarify, filppula being able to play a two way game was what Tampa wanted, they didn't want him to change his style. Detroit expects Weiss to back check and it just run and gun, I'm sorry if you think I'm "retarded" by seeing the obvious difference here. Who knows if Weiss will pan out but calling someone retarded for mentioning a simple fact is beyond ridiculous and is completely unnecessary

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The part wonder about is why do we have to play Z and Dat on the same line. For several years we have been looking for a second line C. To date, no luck. We have to great C's. Let them play. if Weiss is able to turn things around we could have 3. Going 3 or 4 deep with Dat, Z, Weiss, and Helm would be an awesome C lineup. How about some wingers to go with them?

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I was so happy with Wiess after the first period vs Rangers, but by the end of the night he once again disappointed as did the rest of the team.

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I think if you're arguing that Filppula doesn't need time to adjust and Weiss does it simply boils down to Filppula being the better player.

Arguing adjustment to either team is dumb. We have no idea why one is producing right now and the other is not. There are a million different reasons why Fil is doing great and there are a million different reasons why Weiss has had no luck. But we don't kno those reasons. Weiss could get hot and Fil could go cold tmrw and we wouldn't know why. What we do know is both are very talented players and we can probably expect both to finish the season with similar numbers. I personally like Weiss better, Fil wasn't having success here and we needed to try something new. Weiss has experience as a top line center and captain, I'm sure he'll pull around if LGW can retain some level of patience

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fil couldnt center his own line

Tell that to Tampa who has Filppula with 9 points in 10 games centering his own line.

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