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Don't see how it matters which guy is better than the other.

I'm still just angry about losing Lilja.

Weiss is not the total loss you so ardently try to make him out to be.

I'm not ruling out Weiss. I haven't been able to watch that many Wings games this season (school/no cable at my house), but from what I've seen he generally looks good. I don't doubt the points will come. My only argument is that he will never do better than Filppula - not because Filppula is way better, but because he will succumb to the same problems Filppula had: linemates who are either lazy or can't make plays. Filppula current production is what I've always expected out of him and he is doing it because he is actually playing with decent linemates.

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Zetterberg's pass went through the crease and between the goalie and a defenseman with perfect accuracy. Try again.

No. It wasn't. He scored the first goal of that game. Zetterberg had the game-winning goal.

Fil actually scored the goal to put the Wings up 2-1. Z scored to put them up 3-1 before they scored that late one. Fil's goal was for all intense and purpose, the winner.

Fil was highly under appreciated on here. One of the better playoff performers for us as well. But thats not surprising, this is the same fan base and website that was rdy to give up on Kronwall, Ericsson, Howard at times, now it's Smith....

Whos' next?

EDIT: Almost forgot Rafalski

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Recovery does not mean "get into game shape". No one has ever used it in that way. Ever. For someone with such a verbose, vociferous vocabulary, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't use the word "recover" in such an incorrect context. Saying that recovery takes time is completely, explicitly and entirely obviously implying that "Weiss hasn't had enough time to recover". Apparently, though, this does take a smart person to understand. You're not understanding.

"Weiss hasn't played a game in seven months" and "Weiss needs more time to recover" do not fit together. In any case, you were incorrect; I'm telling you so as the world's premiere authority on what my statements mean.

That said, I'm glad I've inspired you to expand your own vocabulary!

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Fil actually scored the goal to put the Wings up 2-1. Z scored to put them up 3-1 before they scored that late one. Fil's goal was for all intense and purpose, the winner.

Fil was highly under appreciated on here. One of the better playoff performers for us as well. But thats not surprising, this is the same fan base and website that was rdy to give up on Kronwall, Ericsson, Howard at times, now it's Smith....

Whos' next?

EDIT: Almost forgot Rafalski

You forgot kindl. But filppula didn't seem to want to be here, and after his breakout season he regressed. People would have been rather angry if we gave home 5 years 5 per and would have compared it to the franzen signing, and probably would have said we could have had hossa but we have filppula instead

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Fil actually scored the goal to put the Wings up 2-1. Z scored to put them up 3-1 before they scored that late one. Fil's goal was for all intense and purpose, the winner.

You're right, his was the second goal. As for the rest... err, no. For all intents and purposes, and in actual fact, Zetterberg's goal was the game-winner. Had he not scored, the Penguins' next goal would have tied the game.

Fil was highly under appreciated on here. One of the better playoff performers for us as well. But thats not surprising, this is the same fan base and website that was rdy to give up on Kronwall, Ericsson, Howard at times, now it's Smith....

Howard proved himself in his rookie season. Kronwall and Ericsson broke out in their third. Filppula had six seasons and failed, aside from one season, to improve or to meet expectations, and his one notable season was followed by the worst (excepting his rookie campaign) of his career. By any stretch of the term, he was given plenty of time.

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You're right, his was the second goal. As for the rest... err, no. For all intents and purposes, and in actual fact, Zetterberg's goal was the game-winner. Had he not scored, the Penguins' next goal would have tied the game.

Howard proved himself in his rookie season. Kronwall and Ericsson broke out in their third. Filppula had six seasons and failed, aside from one season, to improve or to meet expectations, and his one notable season was followed by the worst (excepting his rookie campaign) of his career. By any stretch of the term, he was given plenty of time.

I don't think he failed, he just didn't turn into the type of player we wanted him to be. That said he still turned into a decent player, just not Datsyuk.

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Again, Flip had all the time in the world. He was given every opportunity to succeed, prove himself, make good on the shining promise of his overwhelming, Gretzky-level potential. But he disappointed. And disappointed. And disappointed. And he also disappointed. And, did I mention he disappointed? And then he wanted a big raise.

The Wings and Filppula are just not a smashing fit. It seems he's found a better fit and home in Florida, which is good for him and for the Bolts. My guess is it's largely because of the kind of game the Bolts play, and, in that context, the kind of player Flip is expected to be. Put simply: it looks like he's been liberated a bit. He doesn't have to be as obsessively devoted to his defensive responsibilities. (Were the Wings to somehow acquire Stamkos, Babs would drill it into his head that he needs to dial back the offensive drive in favor of a more defensively responsible two-way game. On the - ahem - flip side, Datsyuk would be a 50-goal scorer on some other teams.)

As for Weiss - he's actually been pretty solid on this road trip. But he needs to start producing, now.

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Again, Flip had all the time in the world. He was given every opportunity to succeed, prove himself, make good on the shining promise of his overwhelming, Gretzky-level potential. But he disappointed. And disappointed. And disappointed. And he also disappointed. And, did I mention he disappointed? And then he wanted a big raise.

The Wings and Filppula are just not a smashing fit. It seems he's found a better fit and home in Florida, which is good for him and for the Bolts. My guess is it's largely because of the kind of game the Bolts play, and, in that context, the kind of player Flip is expected to be. Put simply: it looks like he's been liberated a bit. He doesn't have to be as obsessively devoted to his defensive responsibilities. (Were the Wings to somehow acquire Stamkos, Babs would drill it into his head that he needs to dial back the offensive drive in favor of a more defensively responsible two-way game. On the - ahem - flip side, Datsyuk would be a 50-goal scorer on some other teams.)

As for Weiss - he's actually been pretty solid on this road trip. But he needs to start producing, now.

Gretzky level potential? I don't know what you're talking about.

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This thread has turned comical. I'm starting to wonder if some of the posters are jilted teenagers who are jealous that Filppula has a girlfriend.

Gretzky like potential? Systematically analyzing every assist? Arguing the semantics of a gwg or recovering from injury. Really?

Flip had a lot of talent, but seemed to lack the confidence and aggressiveness necessary to take it to the next level, but to act like he was a complete and utter failure in his tenure as a Wing is beyond ridiculous.

Since Weiss' assist was "only" a secondary one by winning the faceoff and then passed D to D, the official scorer should be notified that it wasn't an actual assist.

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Gretzky level potential? I don't know what you're talking about.

This thread has turned comical. I'm starting to wonder if some of the posters are jilted teenagers who are jealous that Filppula has a girlfriend.

Gretzky like potential? Systematically analyzing every assist? Arguing the semantics of a gwg or recovering from injury. Really?

Flip had a lot of talent, but seemed to lack the confidence and aggressiveness necessary to take it to the next level, but to act like he was a complete and utter failure in his tenure as a Wing is beyond ridiculous.

Since Weiss' assist was "only" a secondary one by winning the faceoff and then passed D to D, the official scorer should be notified that it wasn't an actual assist.

hy·per·bo·le [hahy-pur-buh-lee]
noun Rhetoric .
1.
obvious and intentional exaggeration.

2.

an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to betaken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”
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"Flip sucks because he never takes the puck to the net!!!!!"

*Flip scores a goal taking sending the puck to the net*

"Pft that goal should have never gone in. Flip sucks"

I'm not sure if those quotes are supposed to be things I've said, but to be clear, I liked Flip. He played heavy on the puck (as Babcock likes to put it) and clearly had offensive talent. For whatever reason though, he just never fully took that next step with Detroit and honestly a new start in Tampa is probably best for him.

But my comment about the backhander wasn't a criticism of Flip, though I could see how it would look that way in this thread.

I was reading this thread and watching the NHL network when I saw the highlight of him tossing the puck towards the net on his backhand and it trickling in. It was just funny because of the timing of it all, as if it was being rubbed in somehow. "The puck goes in every time in tampa!" It was two times in a row I turned on the NHL network to see a Filppula highlight.

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I'm not sure if those quotes are supposed to be things I've said, but to be clear, I liked Flip. He played heavy on the puck (as Babcock likes to put it) and clearly had offensive talent. For whatever reason though, he just never fully took that next step with Detroit and honestly a new start in Tampa is probably best for him.

for a second I read: "He played heavy on the puck and Cleary had offensive talent" :P

I agree that filp needed a new start though and tampa seems to be working out for him so far so good for him, I'm glad.

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for a second I read: "He played heavy on the puck and Cleary had offensive talent" :P

I agree that filp needed a new start though and tampa seems to be working out for him so far so good for him, I'm glad.

Cleary HAD offensive talent.

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for a second I read: "He played heavy on the puck and Cleary had offensive talent" :P

I agree that filp needed a new start though and tampa seems to be working out for him so far so good for him, I'm glad.

:lol: Yeah, I should be more careful. It's dangerous to use the word "clearly" these days with the witch hunt there is for Cleary.

As for Flip, it's one of the reasons it's not "What could have been if he stayed" to me because I even if he has a great offensive year in Tampa, I don't think it would've happened here.

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i remember getting blasted here for not liking the weiss signing saying he was overrated ... now that hes got only 2 goals are most people here happy??? yes i know hes missed a year of hockey but his skating seems fine and hes suppose to be a playmaker yet he has 0 assists , i hope the guy turns it around for the wings sake

i never saw the point of signing him among others when jurco,sheahan,ferraro and others are close to making the team .... i also didnt like alfredsson signing because of his 5.5 cap year but since its only 1 year i can live with it

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i remember getting blasted here for not liking the weiss signing saying he was overrated ... now that hes got only 2 goals are most people here happy??? yes i know hes missed a year of hockey but his skating seems fine and hes suppose to be a playmaker yet he has 0 assists , i hope the guy turns it around for the wings sake

i never saw the point of signing him among others when jurco,sheahan,ferraro and others are close to making the team .... i also didnt like alfredsson signing because of his 5.5 cap year but since its only 1 year i can live with it

Great another "I told you Weiss was going to suck" post. Seems all you guys are coming out of the woodwork. Surprised you didn't quote yourself like the rest...

I'll be concerned if he's still not successful late in the season. We have him committed for over 400 games. Let's not burn him at the stake after 16.

Jurco, Sheahan, Ferraro are not close to being a second line center.

Alfredsson? Yeah who wants a proven top line right handed shooting forward completely for free with no risk on a discount. How silly of us.

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i remember getting blasted here for not liking the weiss signing saying he was overrated ... now that hes got only 2 goals are most people here happy??? yes i know hes missed a year of hockey but his skating seems fine and hes suppose to be a playmaker yet he has 0 assists , i hope the guy turns it around for the wings sake

i never saw the point of signing him among others when jurco,sheahan,ferraro and others are close to making the team .... i also didnt like alfredsson signing because of his 5.5 cap year but since its only 1 year i can live with it

He had an assist last night on DeKeyser's goal.

He's getting better in every aspect of the game.Untortunately,he sets up scoring chances mostly to Cleary :eh:

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I think this post is more about a players make-up and their responsively rather than "Who is a better hockey player" you see this time and again with athletes. A good fit with the team, the coach, management Ect all play a factor in how a player responds. It's not unusual for a player to be amazing on one team and then underperform for another. Weiss, Flip...but others like Heatly, Yashin, Gonchar, Nash, Lupul..........the list is endless.

I think Weiss will come around. He's too good of a hockey player not to BUT some players simply play better and respond better depending on the environment. Looks at Hudler...it was pretty clear that Babcock was not fond of him. He was critized for his poor defensive play but in Calgary, he has been given the first line and he is thriving. I don't think he did well being scrutinized, whether it was valid or not...the same goes with Flip. Some players need to be challenged, attacked and then excel under a hard nose approach. Others need to be coddled and reassured. Babcock isn't that guy and although he is a good coach, I imagine he is very demanding and vocal about whatbhe likes and what he doesn't.

Either way, we had a good player in Flip who needed a change of scenery and he's doing well. I always liked him here and I wish him well. I hope same for Weiss and that he will find his rhythm and become what the organization saw in him.

Just my 2 cents!

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