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Wow. You literally just said that Filppula should have had no trouble because of his injury because he had "two months" to recover, even though that "recovery time" was actually being injured time. Now you say that for Weiss, 7 months isn't enough for a full recovery? Un-*******-believable. I can stand people disagreeing with me, but when your logic is COMPLETELY reversed to support something else, you become a tool.

Filppula also had a wrist injury in the middle of the season, came back, and then had 26 points in 31 games. But I'm sure you think that was a horrible season for him.

Seriously cannotf****** believe what I just read. And I'm biased. At least I base my opinion off facts and logic that doesn't change every week or to fit whatever bulls*** narrative I want to push.

Fil was a product of the Detroit system, so he learned the right way and from the best teachers in the business which is why he can plug and play anywhere.

See: jiri hudler.

But weiss had surgery, a bit more serious than fils.

So.

Take it how you will.

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But weiss had surgery, a bit more serious than fils.

So saying that 2 months is a ton of time to recover from a leg injury (which is way worse in terms of fitness level than a wrist injury, especially for a player with skating as one of his biggest strengths) for one player but 7 months isn't enough for another player with a wrist injury isn't completely biased and delusional? Okay.

Sorry, keep on going everyone. Filppula sucks with his 9 points in 12 games and Weiss is way better with his 2 points in 13.

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So I noticed that despite Weiss' terrible play so far, I still find myself liking him much more than Franzen. Weiss turnover= "no big deal, buddy, we're still pulling for ya! You'll get the next one!"

Franzen turnover = "Cant you do anything right?!"

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Because Weiss acknowledges that he can be better and is actively trying to turn things around. As long as they try I'll cut any player slack.

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So I noticed that despite Weiss' terrible play so far, I still find myself liking him much more than Franzen. Weiss turnover= "no big deal, buddy, we're still pulling for ya! You'll get the next one!"

Franzen turnover = "Cant you do anything right?!"

Wait. You can actually distinguish between Weiss an Franzen?

But in all seriousness when Franzen has the puck he is a good player the problem is when he doesn't have it.

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So saying that 2 months is a ton of time to recover from a leg injury (which is way worse in terms of fitness level than a wrist injury, especially for a player with skating as one of his biggest strengths) for one player but 7 months isn't enough for another player with a wrist injury isn't completely biased and delusional? Okay.

Sorry, keep on going everyone. Filppula sucks with his 9 points in 12 games and Weiss is way better with his 2 points in 13.

I have a solution for you.

Start a petition online to bring fil back.

And pay him $6+ million for him to be solid defensively.

Who cares if he disappears offensively, because Weiss, in his 12 games was such a waste of money and had no business becoming a 2nd line center after being a productive first liner.

You're seeming to be a fairweather fan.

I'm done arguing this.

I'm sorry I'm optimistic, but please, if you're giving up on Weiss already, feel free to become a lightning fan.

Because weve got weiss for four more years after this.

And also.

Feel free to single out a line you didn't like from what ive said, even though I said good things to your point.

Because your pessimism is actually making your point.

Or.

You can make a constructive comment without tryingto attack me on A RED WINGS FAN BOARD, after all were rooting for different teams..

Either way.

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There just isn't anything I've seen from watching Weiss with the Wings or in the past with Florida that leads me to believe he's a significant upgrade over Filppula.

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The goalie ultimately made the save on Stamkos but Flip had an end to end rush tonight where he carried the puck through like 5 guys and made a nice pass to Stamkos.

Where the hell was that when he was a Red Wing?

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The goalie ultimately made the save on Stamkos but Flip had an end to end rush tonight where he carried the puck through like 5 guys and made a nice pass to Stamkos.

Where the hell was that when he was a Red Wing?

2011-12 season called, it wanted me to remind you it happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thIsL_oBN-o

Edited by dat's sick

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The goalie ultimately made the save on Stamkos but Flip had an end to end rush tonight where he carried the puck through like 5 guys and made a nice pass to Stamkos.

Where the hell was that when he was a Red Wing?

he also scored a SO goal. I cant recall him ever scoring one of them as a wing

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2011-12 season called, it wanted me to remind you it happened.

2003 called and wanted me to remind you that's a tired joke.

Saw the edit and the YT. It is pretty good. The one to Stamkos was better though he didn't finish.

I guess he does do it once every couple years?

I just don't get what Flips problem was here. That he could show flashed of skill like that but then seems so reluctant offensively for long stretches.

he also scored a SO goal. I cant recall him ever scoring one of them as a wing

I can't either specifically but I don't think he took that many, did he?

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I can't either specifically but I don't think he took that many, did he?

He made a HUGE SO goal two years ago to increase our home winning streak to like 20 games.

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:lol:

And people were calling me dumb for saying I didn't like the Weiss signing the day it was announced .

This guy is undersized, he can't score during ES hockey, and he is a defensive liability. I will repeat, once again: Filppula scored more often during even strength hockey on the second line than Weiss did playing with the top line.

People were upset that Filppula couldn't put it together?? Weiss has played in the NHL for three more seasons that Filppula and hasn't put it together yet!!

And, before it starts, no, this is not a claim that I wanted to get Filppula back... this is a claim that NEITHER player was worth $3M/YR- LET ALONE $5!

10/21: "sign a stop-gap, physical center (Matt Cullen-$3.5M or Tyler Kennedy-$2.35M). Neither guys are significantly bigger than Weiss, but they play a HELL of a lot tougher. You can't get even smaller on a finesse team and expect your center to win those physical match-ups. "

10/08: "I think you're missing my point, although it may not be clear: I didn't like Filppula. However, that doesn't mean I like Weiss simply for the fact that he's the replacement. I think he's a replacement-level player, but they were BOTH given SIGNIFICANTLY overvalued contracts. That's my issue." AND "Like I said, Weiss makes up his stats on the Power Play, and always has. He's too small to do any better 5-on-5. He operates best in space, not the kind of contract you give to an undersized, 2nd center."

10/07: "When you look at what Tyler Kennedy or Matt Cullen signed for, it makes you shake your head. Here's guys that can play the PK and would also be a physical presence next to Zetterberg. Look at Tyler Bozak playing next to Kessel. Think that couldn't be Zetterberg instead? He signed for less money and he's 2 1/2 years younger. "

"And, yes, it has to do with the team around them, but Weiss was also +12 more than any other player ON THE POWER PLAY during his best season (+19) with playing only on 14.5% of the PK. So he takes advantage of not playing on the PK while also playing on the PP.

But... you all wanted to run Filppula out of town? Dude, the Red Wings didn't replace him with anyone significantly better...."

07/05: "I'm on board with the people aligning with this style of thinking. I just don't understand how you give nearly $5M to a guy that has only performed exceptionally well when flanked by really good wingers (Booth/Horton). Even then, he isn't much of a two-way player, and isn't very good in the faceoff circle (although, I will admit, he's finally reached 50% over the past two years). I suppose I would be okay with the money if it was over three years and not five, but I think this signing will turn out to be a move that fans point back to in a couple of years and wonder why the Red Wings jumped the gun.

I may very well be wrong. In fact, as a fan of the team, I WANT to be wrong. But when I hang up the sweater and look at this objectively... I think it has all of the makings of the subject featured in another popular thread: an overreaction. I think the Red Wings jumped the gun and way overpaid in both years and dollars for a guy in a limited pool. If it was $5.9 over two years... fine. But $4.9 over 5? Not a fan."

So there you have it.

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I didn't think it was the coup or the missing link that some here seemed to think it was. Wasn't really a huge fan of the Alfredsson signing either, and don't even get me started on Cleary! Weiss' injury history was a concern to me. I did think he'd be better than he is now, and hopefully he still will be.

As far as Flip goes, it may just be something as simple as having like someone like Stevie Y saying "we WANT you, we think you're great and will help our team". I never got the feeling Babcock was all that into him. If he did well, it was like well he should play that well and he took the brunt of the blame for offensive droughts. The mental part of the game is huge and confidence is everything. Of course playing with Stamkos probably doesn't hurt anything either.

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:lol:

And people were calling me dumb for saying I didn't like the Weiss signing the day it was announced .

This guy is undersized, he can't score during ES hockey, and he is a defensive liability. I will repeat, once again: Filppula scored more often during even strength hockey on the second line than Weiss did playing with the top line.

Defensive liability ? You can criticize Weiss for not scoring enough but he is damn good at passing and protecting the puck. He may not be the offensive powerhouse we all wanted (yet), but he is the opposite of a defensive liability.

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How is Weiss a defensive liability? His faceoffs are improving lately, he has done a nice job killing penalties and he's sound in his own zone.

The criticism for his lacking offensive production to this point is warranted, but Weiss has been fine defensively.

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Weiss has slowly improved. Last night he was creating chances and looked half decent. He isn't anywhere near where we need him to be yet but he IS improving - slowly. Part of this is likely that his wingers (cleary) aren't creating chances or burying the ones he provides.

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So saying that 2 months is a ton of time to recover from a leg injury (which is way worse in terms of fitness level than a wrist injury, especially for a player with skating as one of his biggest strengths) for one player but 7 months isn't enough for another player with a wrist injury isn't completely biased and delusional? Okay.

Sorry, keep on going everyone. Filppula sucks with his 9 points in 12 games and Weiss is way better with his 2 points in 13.

Shall I go over Filppula's production thus far once again? Yeah, let's do that.

Goal #1: Brewer takes the puck all the way up the ice with Filppula trailing behind. Brewer's shot hits the goalie's pads and goes directly to Filppula, who has 90% of the net to shoot into.

Goal #2: Mundane shot let in by a mediocre goalie having an awful game.

Goal #3: Terrible goal let in by the same goalie.

Goal #4: Shot from the point deflected off of his skate.

Assist #1: Filppula passes it to one of his linemates, whereupon the latter and the other fellow on the line cycle the puck between each other for ten seconds and score while Filppula remains uninvolved.

Assist #2: Quality, cross-ice pass to Johnson for a goal.

Assist #3: A wide-open Filppula passes to a wide-open Carle at the point. Goal by Carle.

Assist #4: Filppula wins a face-off to Stamkos at the point, and the league's best goal-scorer slams it into the goal. Barely an assist at all.

Assist #5: Filppula takes a shot from the right circle that rebounds off the goalie to another player on his team. Goal.

In other words, Filppula's numbers have been misleading, just as Cleary's tally from the postseason was. Weiss has not been good enough offensively, but Filppula has not been nearly as productive as his point totals make it seem.

Edited by Crymson

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I honestly don't care right now if Weiss is on the scoresheet or not - its how he looks on the ice that matters to me. He does look like he is getting better.

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I expected more points but its still really early in the season. People forget it only takes a hot streak for his stats to look good. But I mean this can be said to just about the entire team no? Besides Syuk, Zetts and Alfie the secondary scoring all around has been nonexistent. I cannot wait to see this team when its in a more comfortable state.

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I thought he was REALLY close last night to taking his game to the level he should be playing at. I would love Babs to put him with Pavs and Z to try to get his confidence back. I agree that he is getting better and comfortable with the Wings system.

I was a Flip supporter....I still am. Why can't you love hockey and really like certain other players who play elsewhere but love the Wings?

Weiss will breakout...it's just a matter of time. I'd rather him than Franzen every day. At least the guy shows some heart and competes. The rest will come

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Shall I go over Filppula's production thus far once again? Yeah, let's do that.

Goal #1: Brewer takes the puck all the way up the ice with Filppula trailing behind. Brewer's shot hits the goalie's pads and goes directly to Filppula, who has 90% of the net to shoot into.

Goal #2: Mundane shot let in by a mediocre goalie having an awful game.

Goal #3: Terrible goal let in by the same goalie.

Goal #4: Shot from the point deflected off of his skate.

Assist #1: Filppula passes it to one of his linemates, whereupon the latter and the other fellow on the line cycle the puck between each other for ten seconds and score while Filppula remains uninvolved.

Assist #2: Quality, cross-ice pass to Johnson for a goal.

Assist #3: A wide-open Filppula passes to a wide-open Carle at the point. Goal by Carle.

Assist #4: Filppula wins a face-off to Stamkos at the point, and the league's best goal-scorer slams it into the goal. Barely an assist at all.

Assist #5: Filppula takes a shot from the right circle that rebounds off the goalie to another player on his team. Goal.

In other words, Filppula's numbers have been misleading, just as Cleary's tally from the postseason was. Weiss has not been good enough offensively, but Filppula has not been nearly as productive as his point totals make it seem.

The work on his SO goal was done entirely by a teammate.

LOL...tell me you're not serious. Maybe I'm confused here, but isn't SO, shoot out? How does a team mate do the work on a shootout goal?

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LOL...tell me you're not serious. Maybe I'm confused here, but isn't SO, shoot out? How does a team mate do the work on a shootout goal?

It appears I got myself all mixed up. I'd gotten it into my hand that Filppula's first goal was shorthanded, for whatever reason, then misread SO as SH and used the wrong acronym myself.

In my defense, I had just woken up. Anyway, the rest of the post is correct.

Edited by Crymson

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You can go through just about any player's points and there are going to be goals and assists that maybe the player didn't "deserve". Just as there are points that should have been had but were taken away on an outstanding save by the goalie or whatever. I haven't watched all the Tampa games or even most of one, but what I have seen Filppula's stats are indicative of his play. Even if he had zero points and played horribly, it doesn't mean that Weiss hasn't totally underachieved.

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Shall I go over Filppula's production thus far once again? Yeah, let's do that.

No, lets talk about how incredibly biased you are and how you completely bulls*** everything you say, such as saying that 2 months is plenty of recovery time and then a week later say that 7 months isn't enough recovery time for comparable injuries.

And you could do the same undervaluing of points for basically every single player in the league. The fact is if you play well you will get points. Flip is playing well, and he's getting points. Maybe if we nit pick every single point and goal for whether or not he deserves it, he should start giving points for great plays even if they don't result in goals.

Edited by Z and D for the C

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