esteef 2,679 Report post Posted November 16, 2013 Tatar for sure. esteef 1 amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PumpkinEscobar 136 Report post Posted November 16, 2013 Helm? Right, why bother trying to win Because they're doing so much of it now? 1 Mike J. reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWang 422 Report post Posted November 16, 2013 The man with the biggest bag of tricks in the nhl has used the same move 3x in a row. CHANGE IT UP PAVS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted November 16, 2013 The man with the biggest bag of tricks in the nhl has used the same move 3x in a row. CHANGE IT UP PAVS You know what they'd NEVER expect him to do? The same move 4 times in a row. Next shootout is in the bag 4 FireCaptain, 13dangledangle, 55fan and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kira 451 Report post Posted November 16, 2013 The goalies have gotten wise to him. It's time to change things up. A new shot from the bag of tricks...a new shooting order. Whatever it takes, they need to throw a monkey wrench in the proceedings. Give them something they weren't looking for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings87 1,290 Report post Posted November 16, 2013 I think the shootout is in his head too much. He was doing fine until everyone started saying that he uses the same move too much, so he started tinkering with it and it hasn't worked out. He should just go back to what worked before and tune everything else out. With his skill level he should be dominating the shootout. Time to switch up the shooters...would like to see Helm and Tatar Come on be serious. I like Helm as much as the next guy but the guy can't score on breakaways what makes you think he can score in a shootout. We might as well put Jimmy out there if he can't stop a goal maybe he can score one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PumpkinEscobar 136 Report post Posted November 16, 2013 I think the shootout is in his head too much. He was doing fine until everyone started saying that he uses the same move too much, so he started tinkering with it and it hasn't worked out. He should just go back to what worked before and tune everything else out. With his skill level he should be dominating the shootout. Come on be serious. I like Helm as much as the next guy but the guy can't score on breakaways what makes you think he can score in a shootout. We might as well put Jimmy out there if he can't stop a goal maybe he can score one. Like I said...the guys that are being ran out there aren't doing s***...time to shake it up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted November 16, 2013 (edited) Pav should just shoot. He's done it before pretty succesfully. Goalies won't be expecting it as much. Z should take more attempts too, he's clutch and could probably score now that we're in need of points. Edited November 16, 2013 by dat's sick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luvmnger 125 Report post Posted November 16, 2013 the brunner move looked pretty effective....fake wide then jam it home short side....the force and momentum takes it unless goalie locks his skate in the pipe. also the flipper shot....get the goalie sprawling and go over his head/leg etc. pav is also good at popping the puck up...go for the bunt hit five hole. the same move is getting shut down by pav's own head. shot wide....shot wide...shot wide.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewdanna 143 Report post Posted November 16, 2013 I wish Pavs would finally take some advice from LGW... He obviously doesn't know what the F he is doing out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 It's official, Datsyuk has become an idiot from playing with Bertuzzi so much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unsaddleddonald 357 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 Same move, different shot placement. Fair or unfair, the shootout is part of the game and Pav is held to a higher standard. Not getting the job done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 He doesn't have it this year so far. No confidence whatever it's not happening for him. But honestly it's not really happening for almost all our guys. Maybe this should be addressed during practice idk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unsaddleddonald 357 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 He doesn't have it this year so far. No confidence whatever it's not happening for him. But honestly it's not really happening for almost all our guys. Maybe this should be addressed during practice idk No kidding. Is there really NO other creative shooters on this team to the point that you trot out a guy in Zetterberg who is a known terrible shootout commodity? 1 St. Michael (the Red Wing) reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Babcock finally listened atleast, and put someone else out 1st. Didn't work but keep changing it up. Bert probably shouldn't have shot at all, it's obvious he's trying to be way too clever. One wishes for someone to just go in and shoot like Alfie did. I think that's what Pavel needs to do also, it's beyond obvious the goalies are 100% aware of what Datsyuk is doing and unless he pulls out some crazy dekes that fool the goalie (which he obviously doesn't seem interested in doing right now) he's gotta just suprise them with a shot. Next shootout: Z/Alfie Tatar Pav Edited November 17, 2013 by dat's sick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 Babcock finally listened atleast, and put someone else out 1st. Didn't work but keep changing it up. Bert probably shouldn't have shot at all, it's obvious he's trying to be way too clever. One wishes for someone to just go in and shoot like Alfie did. I think that's what Pavel needs to do also, it's beyond obvious the goalies are 100% aware of what Datsyuk is doing and unless he pulls out some crazy dekes that fool the goalie (which he obviously doesn't seem interested in doing right now) he's gotta just suprise them with a shot. Next shootout: Z/Alfie Tatar Pav Although Pav's has been struggling, you cannot put him 3rd. He needs to be one of the two shootout shooters, if it doesn't get to the 3rd round, the it's a waste. He is almost 50% in the shootouts, and although he's been stopped 4 times this year hes too much of an asset to not have a chance. 2 Z Winged Dangler and sharomyga reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Wings Addict 787 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 It's official, Datsyuk has become an idiot from playing with Bertuzzi so much. It's more like Quincey's fault. 1 BadgerBob reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 Although Pav's has been struggling, you cannot put him 3rd. He needs to be one of the two shootout shooters, if it doesn't get to the 3rd round, the it's a waste. He is almost 50% in the shootouts, and although he's been stopped 4 times this year hes too much of an asset to not have a chance. I hear you and I assume Babs is gonna think the same, but we can't lose 9 straight shootouts and be afraid to completely change how we do them. Most of the time the 3rd shooter will get his chance, and maybe putting Pav 3rd would send a message of "you have to do better". Can't put all the pressure on Pav, but let's be honest the reason he's close to 50% is because he had an insanely high success rate earlier in his career. Last 2-3 years he can't be at more than 30-40% at most can he? He's got the tools, I just don't think he bothers really practicing shootouts much anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z Winged Dangler 2,082 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 Although Pav's has been struggling, you cannot put him 3rd. He needs to be one of the two shootout shooters, if it doesn't get to the 3rd round, the it's a waste. He is almost 50% in the shootouts, and although he's been stopped 4 times this year hes too much of an asset to not have a chance. Exactly. How is this even a question? We have the ALL-TIME leading shootout scorer at 40ish% and we're complaining? We have enough guys on this team to rag on, let's leave Dats alone. Dude's over a PPG, he's doing his job. If we had a reliable bottom 6, there wouldn't have been 5 straight OT/SO losses. Tally up our bottom 6's +/- and then complain about Datsyuk in shootouts. Unreal. And +/- isn't a useless stat. Quincey is garbage and is -12. That is an accurate portrayal of how awesome he isn't. Dats had 2 goals tonight when they really counted. There's no record book for shootouts. Quit playing Miller and Cleary in OT and it won't get that far. 2 sharomyga and Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Why not just switch it up? Sheeesh we can't do any worse. How about putting Tatar, Franzen, Alfie and take the pressure off Pasha for once. Edited November 17, 2013 by Hockeymom1960 1 St. Michael (the Red Wing) reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ekmanc 586 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 I definitely think Tatar should get a chance in the shootouts against Nashville on tuesday. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 I definitely think Tatar should get a chance in the shootouts against Nashville on tuesday. I see what you did there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 I guess Babs won't let Tatar take a shootout shot because he's not defensibly responsible? esteef 5 55fan, pucktividi, GMRwings1983 and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,476 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 I guess Babs won't let Tatar take a shootout shot because he's not defensibly responsible? esteef maybe he thinks on the way to score he will cough the puck up in his own zone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shoe 165 Report post Posted November 17, 2013 is jason Williams available? 1 GMRwings1983 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites