gdt 11/21 GDT: Hurricanes 3 at Red Wings 4

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Another SO loss?

[Cloune 270]

win please

[BottleOfSmoke 5,965]

Well...here we go! LGW!

[amato 3,210]

over/under: # of shifts cleary stays on the top line...?

[DatsyukToZetterberg 128]

The only problem I have with the lineup is Cleary on the first line. Everyone else seems to be in the right place.

[RedWang 422]

over/under: # of shifts cleary stays on the top line...?

No less than 4 and no more than 8 if i had to guess.

[Euro_Twins 4,485]

over/under: # of shifts cleary stays on the top line...?

3-5

[McAwesome 754]

Lineups tonight per Khan:

Cleary-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi

Franzen-Zetterberg-NYQUIST

Abdelkader-Helm-Tatar

Miller-Anderson-Samuelson

Kronwall-Ericsson

Smith-Quincey

Kindl-Lashoff

Jimmy Howard

Cleary needs to be riding the pine, but if he's gonna be in this lineup he should be on the 4th line, and please for the love of Pete don't put Smith and Quincey back together:

Tatar-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi

Franzen-Zetterberg-Nyquist

Abdelkader-Helm-Miller

Cleary-Andersson-Samuelson

Kronwall-Ericsson

Kindl-Smith

Quincey-Lashoff

kthxbye

[Jesusberg 1,256]

It's seriously just really starting to piss me off seeing anything the management of this team says to the press...

"(Nyquist's) job, and no different tonight if I were him, he's still allowed to go back to the minors, is be so good tonight that you put so much pressure on the coach and the manger that they have to do something about it." - Mike Babcock

Are you f****** kidding me!? So what about all the dead weight on this team that's allowed to roam free because they're "warriors" and provide a "veteran presence". These "kids" have put pressure on management, but you've turned a blind eye. Dan Cleary is on the top line!? Are you slow, Mike? Tatar has proven he's got better hands than 70% of the team, and Dan f****** Cleary is on the top line!?

Great way to handle the future of your team. "You better score a hat trick tonight, otherwise you get to go rot in the AHL." Meanwhile, the dynamic veteran duo of Dan Cleary and Mikael Samuelsson have a whopping 2 goals over 31 games played. If players in the draft aren't already weary about being taken by Detroit, they should be after this year. They're not just letting these kids get overripe anymore, they're flat out misusing them.

I'm seriously beginning to think that management is so arrogant that they won't fix something until it's too late.

EDIT: Put Babcock's quote in Comic Sans font because it seemed appropriate.

Edited November 21, 2013 by Jesusberg

[RedWang 422]

It seems babs is trying to spread the depth across the lineup to try and get all the lines going. Since scoring goals has been such a problem.

Atleast its the only logical reason that comes to mind regarding Cleary on the top line.

[St. Michael (the Red Wing) 422]

I have no clue what to predict for this game however you can't lose every game.

Hopefully we bust out of the slump tonight

Let's Go Wings!!!

[rrasco 1,312]

I love all but Cleary on the first

I love all but Cleary on the team.

I seriously have no clue what Babs or Holland are thinking any more. I'm really thinking they have lost it. Stupid quotes from Babs.

f*** you Cleary.

Edited November 21, 2013 by rrasco

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

It's seriously just really starting to piss me off seeing anything the management of this team says to the press...

"(Nyquist's) job, and no different tonight if I were him, he's still allowed to go back to the minors, is be so good tonight that you put so much pressure on the coach and the manger that they have to do something about it." - Mike Babcock

Are you f****** kidding me!? So what about all the dead weight on this team that's allowed to roam free because they're "warriors" and provide a "veteran presence". These "kids" have put pressure on management, but you've turned a blind eye. Dan Cleary is on the top line!? Are you slow, Mike? Tatar has proven he's got better hands than 70% of the team, and Dan f****** Cleary is on the top line!?

Great way to handle the future of your team. "You better score a hat trick tonight, otherwise you get to go rot in the AHL." Meanwhile, the dynamic veteran duo of Dan Cleary and Mikael Samuelsson have a whopping 2 goals over 31 games played. If players in the draft aren't already weary about being taken by Detroit, they should be after this year. They're not just letting these kids get overripe anymore, they're flat out misusing them.

I'm seriously beginning to think that management is so arrogant that they won't fix something until it's too late.

EDIT: Put Babcock's quote in Comic Sans font because it seemed appropriate.

As I said in the Nyquist thread, I understand why people are pissed about the Nyquist situation, but are letting their rage taint what Babcock is saying here.

It's the reality of the situation. And if you read between the lines, if anything he's probably implying that he plays so good that Holland can't possibly justify sending him back down.

Nyquist is screwed because of the roster situation Holland put together. He's the victim of his contract status.

Babcock isn't threatening Nyquist that if he doesn't play well he gets buried in the minors. He's just stating the obvious.

That the dream is that Nyquist plays so unbelievably great that even Holland can't justify burying the kid in the minors anymore, no matter what it does to the roster. That the waste of talent and loss to the Red Wings would become so glaringly obvious, the outcry from the coaches, players, and fans so great, that Holland would have to make a drastic roster move to remedy his mistakes and get the kid up with the team.

[uk_redwing 495]

Babcock has done Cleary a huge favour by putting him on the first line. Obviously his hope is Pav can set up enough chances for Cleary he'll score an open net or something, maybe get an assist and then people can claim he's back at his best.

Hope is funny thing.

[kipwinger 8,754]

It's seriously just really starting to piss me off seeing anything the management of this team says to the press...

"(Nyquist's) job, and no different tonight if I were him, he's still allowed to go back to the minors, is be so good tonight that you put so much pressure on the coach and the manger that they have to do something about it." - Mike Babcock

Are you f****** kidding me!? So what about all the dead weight on this team that's allowed to roam free because they're "warriors" and provide a "veteran presence". These "kids" have put pressure on management, but you've turned a blind eye. Dan Cleary is on the top line!? Are you slow, Mike? Tatar has proven he's got better hands than 70% of the team, and Dan f****** Cleary is on the top line!?

Great way to handle the future of your team. "You better score a hat trick tonight, otherwise you get to go rot in the AHL." Meanwhile, the dynamic veteran duo of Dan Cleary and Mikael Samuelsson have a whopping 2 goals over 31 games played. If players in the draft aren't already weary about being taken by Detroit, they should be after this year. They're not just letting these kids get overripe anymore, they're flat out misusing them.

I'm seriously beginning to think that management is so arrogant that they won't fix something until it's too late.

EDIT: Put Babcock's quote in Comic Sans font because it seemed appropriate.

Aren't wing dings more appropriate?

[wings87 1,290]

I think they'll come out strong, then have a bad second but still come out on top. I'm guessing 3-1 Red wings.

[hooon 1,089]

Cleary-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi???

Wasn't that a line like 4 years ago when the Wings were decimated by injuries? It didn't work then, why would it work now that Cleary and Bert are a million times less effective than they were then?

[RedWang 422]

Ok so my predictions of 4-5 redwings goals in the last few have been rather far off.

But if i keep trying ill be right eventually! TONIGHT is the night we put up big numbers and break this losing streak.

5-2 wings. (Z,Dats,Nyquist,Tatar, Kindl) hoping one of them gets a multipoint game also.

LETS GO BOYS!

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

Wings win 7-0, Nyquist gets 6, Sammy gets the other, directly following the game, Nyquist is re-assigned to GR. Holland says it's clear he's not ready for the bigs, as Samuelsson and Cleary provide more veteran presence.

Realistically, we should be alot faster throughout the line-up, and Peters is in goal for Carolina, so it isn't crazy to think the Wings SHOULD grab 2 points tonight.

[Rick D 390]

Dan Cleary POTG w/ 4 goals that Datsyuk shoots off of his back side.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Its been a while since I've posted in the GDT before the game started, and incidentally, its been a while since the Wings won.

Tonight, Detroit comes out on top, 4-1

GUYS I JUST HAD A GREAT/HORRIBLE IDEA

Nyquist - Helm - Tatar. AS OUR SECOND LINE.

PARADIGM. SHIFTED.

I have been wanting to see this for years. Except as our third line.

Seriously, this team once it gets the kinks sorted out has the potential to be absolutely lethal.

Zetterberg Datsyuk Bertuzzi

Alfredsson Weiss Franzen

Nyqvist Helm Tatar

Abdelkader Anderson Miller (or Sammy, or Clearly)

Kronwall Dekeyser

Ericsson Smith

Kindl Quincey

Once Weiss gets going that is going to open up a lot of options for us. I also think Smith and Ericsson should be together.

Edited November 21, 2013 by Echolalia

[themcityblues 249]

Is Nyquist playing tonight 100%? Sorry don't have time to read, just need the cliff.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

As I said in the Nyquist thread, I understand why people are pissed about the Nyquist situation, but are letting their rage taint what Babcock is saying here.

It's the reality of the situation. And if you read between the lines, if anything he's probably implying that he plays so good that Holland can't possibly justify sending him back down.

Nyquist is screwed because of the roster situation Holland put together. He's the victim of his contract status.

Babcock isn't threatening Nyquist that if he doesn't play well he gets buried in the minors. He's just stating the obvious.

That the dream is that Nyquist plays so unbelievably great that even Holland can't justify burying the kid in the minors anymore, no matter what it does to the roster. That the waste of talent and loss to the Red Wings would become so glaringly obvious, the outcry from the coaches, players, and fans so great, that Holland would have to make a drastic roster move to remedy his mistakes and get the kid up with the team.

I get it, and maybe my anger should be directed at Holland for putting the team in this mess in the first place, but I'm just unbelievably irked at seeing Cleary next to Pavs. I don't get all that angry with this team and it's management - in fact, I have a hard time remembering ever going on a little mini-rant like I did. I just hate this, "prove yourself and you'll be in the line-up" mentality when it simply isn't true. It's not a case of the best players playing, and it's not a case of guys earning more ice time based on play. If that were the case, Dano would be riding the pine. Nyquist's status does make him a victim, so maybe my anger is more directed at Babs' line-up.

You're hampering your best playmaker on the team with a plug... it's just absurd to me. I understand that Nyquist is in this spot because of Holland, but I think Tatar is getting the shaft here, too. I get spreading out talent, but at this point , I'd much rather bump Sammy up with Abs-Helm and see Miller-Andersson-Cleary. I just don't get what adding Cleary to the top line does for this team.

[Echolalia 2,961]

I get it, and maybe my anger should be directed at Holland for putting the team in this mess in the first place, but I'm just unbelievably irked at seeing Cleary next to Pavs. I don't get all that angry with this team and it's management - in fact, I have a hard time remembering ever going on a little mini-rant like I did. I just hate this, "prove yourself and you'll be in the line-up" mentality when it simply isn't true. It's not a case of the best players playing, and it's not a case of guys earning more ice time based on play. If that were the case, Dano would be riding the pine. Nyquist's status does make him a victim, so maybe my anger is more directed at Babs' line-up.

You're hampering your best playmaker on the team with a plug... it's just absurd to me. I understand that Nyquist is in this spot because of Holland, but I think Tatar is getting the shaft here, too. I get spreading out talent, but at this point , I'd much rather bump Sammy up with Abs-Helm and see Miller-Andersson-Cleary. I just don't get what adding Cleary to the top line does for this team.

Hasn't Cleary been filling in holes on the bottom 6 most of the past month or so?

[wings_fanatic 677]

I get it, and maybe my anger should be directed at Holland for putting the team in this mess in the first place, but I'm just unbelievably irked at seeing Cleary next to Pavs. I don't get all that angry with this team and it's management - in fact, I have a hard time remembering ever going on a little mini-rant like I did. I just hate this, "prove yourself and you'll be in the line-up" mentality when it simply isn't true. It's not a case of the best players playing, and it's not a case of guys earning more ice time based on play. If that were the case, Dano would be riding the pine. Nyquist's status does make him a victim, so maybe my anger is more directed at Babs' line-up.

You're hampering your best playmaker on the team with a plug... it's just absurd to me. I understand that Nyquist is in this spot because of Holland, but I think Tatar is getting the shaft here, too. I get spreading out talent, but at this point , I'd much rather bump Sammy up with Abs-Helm and see Miller-Andersson-Cleary. I just don't get what adding Cleary to the top line does for this team.

I don't get when re-signing Cleary did for this team.