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#1 wings87

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 06:43 PM

Excerpt: "What we're going to do is talk about it and the best guys are going to play," Babcock said after Sunday's 5-4 shootout loss to the Florida Panthers at Joe Louis Arena.

"It's not going to have anything to do with age, it's just going to be what have you done here lately. They're pushing real hard. Riley Sheahan, (Tomas Tatar), Jurco, that line was really good" against Florida.

So here's my question: Do we believe him? Will he actually sit Cleary and Bert, in favor of younger players?

A part of me wants to believe him, but the other part doesn't trust the comments, especially looking at his track record of late?

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 06:47 PM

It'd be hard to justify playing Bert and Cleary at this point

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 06:52 PM

Excerpt: "What we're going to do is talk about it and the best guys are going to play," Babcock said after Sunday's 5-4 shootout loss to the Florida Panthers at Joe Louis Arena.

"It's not going to have anything to do with age, it's just going to be what have you done here lately. They're pushing real hard. Riley Sheahan, (Tomas Tatar), Jurco, that line was really good" against Florida.

So here's my question: Do we believe him? Will he actually sit Cleary and Bert, in favor of younger players?

A part of me wants to believe him, but the other part doesn't trust the comments, especially looking at his track record of late?

Full Article:
http://www.mlive.com...t_guys_are.html

Bert is already sitting and Cleary was going to sit last night. So I don't see a reason to not believe him. The only question is what moves are Holland willing to make? But in the short term I definitely see Sheahan and Jurco continuing to play while Bert/Cleary sit. 



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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:05 PM

Cleary goes from just about being scratched to wearing the "A" and getting lots of ice time

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:14 PM

No, I don't believe him.  It's not just age or size, because Nyquist is playing a ton.  I seriously wonder if he has something personal against Czechs.  Tatar should absolutely be playing more than he is, certainly more than Cleary.  Hudler was always the first one into the doghouse too.  The kid line was the best line against Florida, but the other 2 scoring lines played more.  If you want to limit the line as a whole, fine, run Tatar out in Cleary's space a few shifts.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:15 PM

I know a lot of people take Babcock's comments/lines/decisions at face-value but let's not forget he has a degree in sports psychology.


"The leader must never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert."
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When asked who won, Babcock said, “Well it doesn’t really matter as long as you don’t lose. It’s like going bear hunting, you take a slow guy with you in case the bear is hungry.”

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:16 PM

i think franzen deserved the A over cleary


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:17 PM

I'll believe it when I see it.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:20 PM

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:40 PM

If you base it on a few months or a few weeks ago, I think you'd have to be a bit skeptical , understandably so.  But Sammy is on waivers, Bert sat out and Cleary was scratched.  Not sure what else you can ask for.  The kids played quite a bit yesterday and with good reason.  All these guys have been bringin' it night after night.  At the beginning of the season, we really didn't know what we had with these guys.  Now we know.  Mike Babcock wants to win above all else.



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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:48 PM

I know a lot of people take Babcock's comments/lines/decisions at face-value but let's not forget he has a degree in sports psychology.

That's why he plays so many mind games with the fans.  :D


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 08:01 PM

If you base it on a few months or a few weeks ago, I think you'd have to be a bit skeptical , understandably so.  But Sammy is on waivers, Bert sat out and Cleary was scratched.  Not sure what else you can ask for.  The kids played quite a bit yesterday and with good reason.  All these guys have been bringin' it night after night.  At the beginning of the season, we really didn't know what we had with these guys.  Now we know.  Mike Babcock wants to win above all else.

 

Check the box score.  The kids didn't play all that much.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 08:41 PM

the kids (not including defense or regulars like helm) tallied a total of 70.5 minutes of ice time combined. the vets (again not including the d or our younger guys like abby and helm) combined for 52.35 minutes of ice time... i think the kids got more ice time



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Posted 27 January 2014 - 08:43 PM

I guess you'd have to define not all that much.  Did they play less than others? Yeah, but not all that much and that is likely to being on the 2nd PP unit and not on the PK. Its not like they played 5 minutes and were benched in the 3rd period. They were also out there quite a bit in OT and two of the kids were in on the shootout.  That's a major change for Babcock.



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Posted 27 January 2014 - 09:07 PM

I'll believe it after a string of 5-6 games in which I see it.  Starting with Gus in net.  



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Posted 27 January 2014 - 10:25 PM

I'm so glad Tatar turned out to be awesome as a big f*** you to babcock.

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 10:30 PM

I'm so glad Tatar turned out to be awesome as a big f*** you to babcock.

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Huh? If anything Babcock is partially responsible for the player he has become because he has made him earn his ice-time.  

 

As it should be with all young players.


"The leader must never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert."
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When asked who won, Babcock said, “Well it doesn’t really matter as long as you don’t lose. It’s like going bear hunting, you take a slow guy with you in case the bear is hungry.”

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 10:52 PM

the kids (not including defense or regulars like helm) tallied a total of 70.5 minutes of ice time combined. the vets (again not including the d or our younger guys like abby and helm) combined for 52.35 minutes of ice time... i think the kids got more ice time

TOI:Totat/PP/PK

Alfredsson 19:44/4:07/0

Franzen 16:45/4:07/0:14

Helm 20:10/0/3:47

Cleary 15:48/0/2:34

Abdelkader 16:53/4:23/0

Nyquist 16:23/3:44/0

Tatar 14:08/3:14/0

Sheahan 13:48/3:14/0

Jurco 12:17/3:21/0

Glendening 14:29 /0/3:49

Miller 15:16/04:04

Eaves 12:01/2:00/0:44

 

Cleary played almost 2 1/2 minutes more at even strength.  Miller played more at ES.  Abdelkader has no business playing that much on the PP.

 

If the best players play, Tatar, Sheahan, and Jurco should have had at least a couple more minutes


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 10:56 PM

 
Huh? If anything Babcock is partially responsible for the player he has become because he has made him earn his ice-time.  
 
As it should be with all young players.


Tatar is good in spite of babcock.

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 11:09 PM

Sit Cleary ... get him warmed up 5-7 games before the playoffs and let him loose to see if he can turn it on.  He's useless in regular season.  







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