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Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

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And another thing: What the eff is this "He was behind a lot of talent here" crap? He's a first-year Griffin, and a first-year NA pro. Since when do we hold that against a kid and tell him, "Well, you're not where the guys who are currently on our team are at, so I don't see this working out in the long run"? By the time he'd be making his fashionably late debut with the Wings (a la Tatar, Nyquist), Z and D would probably be just about done.

Holland hates kids, loves 35-year-olds.

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Holland could play 2B for the Tigers hit 80 HR's and get 195 RBi's, Throw 73 Td's for Lions, Average a triple double per game for the Pistons, and GM the most successful franchise in hockey the last 20+ years and some of you would still hold something against him. We need warm bodies down the middle....we have none..he got one..over paid? maybe but it had to be done. This team won't settle for missing the playoffs..this isn't Vancouver. This place is amazing...if he doesn't panic he's an idiot, if he does he's an idiot. Who was the last prospect he traded away at the deadline that everyone got pissed about? Oh yea it was Matthias, the guy is a 10 goal scorer who just got traded again. I think our scouting, coaches and rest of staff wouldn't have traded Jarnkrok if they knew he was a can't miss blue chipper. Legwand waived his no trade clause to play here in a season where we might actually miss the playoffs which seems like a pretty fair sign that he wants to be in Detroit possibly for longer than 20 games.

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Holland could play 2B for the Tigers hit 80 HR's and get 195 RBi's, Throw 73 Td's for Lions, Average a triple double per game for the Pistons, and GM the most successful franchise in hockey the last 20+ years and some of you would still hold something against him. We need warm bodies down the middle....we have none..he got one..over paid? maybe but it had to be done. This team won't settle for missing the playoffs..this isn't Vancouver. This place is amazing...if he doesn't panic he's an idiot, if he does he's an idiot. Who was the last prospect he traded away at the deadline that everyone got pissed about? Oh yea it was Matthias, the guy is a 10 goal scorer who just got traded again. I think our scouting, coaches and rest of staff wouldn't have traded Jarnkrok if they knew he was a can't miss blue chipper. Legwand waived his no trade clause to play here in a season where we might actually miss the playoffs which seems like a pretty fair sign that he wants to be in Detroit possibly for longer than 20 games.

Could of signed him in the off season then ... Again I got nothing against david legwand I wanted him here before we got him ... Just don't like giving up jarnkrok .... Time will tell what happens

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And another thing: What the eff is this "He was behind a lot of talent here" crap? He's a first-year Griffin, and a first-year NA pro. Since when do we hold that against a kid and tell him, "Well, you're not where the guys who are currently on our team are at, so I don't see this working out in the long run"? By the time he'd be making his fashionably late debut with the Wings (a la Tatar, Nyquist), Z and D would probably be just about done.

Holland hates kids, loves 35-year-olds.

So he finally sends Sammy down, pines Cleary and pretty much pines Bert for the last 20 games and you still think that the kids arent getting a chance...who else would you like him to sit that's over 30? Z? he's hurt Datsyuk? he's hurt too Kronwall? doubt it Franzen? not right now ...oh you want him to keep Jarnkrok and have Andersson and Glendening centering the first 2 lines because we think that some kid who has played half a season in North America is a can't miss according to the LGW scouting staff? You have to give something to get something, we were desperate..we have too many injuries...I said it before, it's not in the culture of this franchise to mail it in and miss the playoffs.

Could of signed him in the off season then ... Again I got nothing against david legwand I wanted him here before we got him ... Just don't like giving up jarnkrok .... Time will tell what happens

We don't need him the off season, we need him now WE HAVE NO CENTERS, they are hurt ( 3 weeks shut down ), hurt ( maybe for the season ) and well......hurt ( concussion like symptoms) Desperate times call for desperate measures..would you have prefered they sent Gus or Tatar, Picks, and prospects to Vancouver for Kesler?

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Holland could play 2B for the Tigers hit 80 HR's and get 195 RBi's, Throw 73 Td's for Lions, Average a triple double per game for the Pistons, and GM the most successful franchise in hockey the last 20+ years and some of you would still hold something against him. We need warm bodies down the middle....we have none..he got one..over paid? maybe but it had to be done. This team won't settle for missing the playoffs..this isn't Vancouver. This place is amazing...if he doesn't panic he's an idiot, if he does he's an idiot. Who was the last prospect he traded away at the deadline that everyone got pissed about? Oh yea it was Matthias, the guy is a 10 goal scorer who just got traded again. I think our scouting, coaches and rest of staff wouldn't have traded Jarnkrok if they knew he was a can't miss blue chipper. Legwand waived his no trade clause to play here in a season where we might actually miss the playoffs which seems like a pretty fair sign that he wants to be in Detroit possibly for longer than 20 games.

If you look at other deals made today it was huge overpayment. If you consider his RECENT track record he has messed up majorly in the last 5 years. He hasn't been very successful in FA pickups aside from the ones that fell in his lap. Thank GOD we have talented scouts and good coaching of the kids in GR or we would be absolutely screwed by what Holland has done and left undone recently. If he wants to win the cup he should have addressed our D rather than adding another redundant C. If Helm is out a week and Weiss is back soon then this was a huge overreaction on his part. For a guy who claims to focus on the future this seemed like a knee jerk reaction to potentially missing the playoffs. The goal should be a cup - and if that means sacrificing the season and not causing a logjam at C for the future and trading away a top prospect then that should have been what he decided to do.

Holland wants us to love him the way he loves his old veteran players and acquisitions - keep them (him) around for what they (he) have done in the past rather than what they (he) can do now. Holland has lost his touch much like his recent acquisitions and has put a sour taste in many peoples' mouths. Many players now look at what is happening in Detroit and decide its not as attractive as it once was when it was loaded coming out of the pre-cap era. Other GM's find a way to put a fresh spin on things and breathe new life into their teams - Holland seems to want to mummify this team and preserve it for ages. These are all reasons why fans are reacting so harshly.

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Personally the only way of this making sense is Jarnkrok being dead set on going home if not highway robbery by Poile. The predators are coming along nicely Forsberg, Jarnkrok another great pick this year the west shouldn't underestimate this team. As for Holland, thanks for everything you've been one of the best in the past but please give the reigns someone else. I hope come off season we send a boat load of money to the captain and let him reebuild this team. Without Nyquist, Tatar, Dekeyser this team would have been boring to watch and is filled with stopgaps and we all know baring all the injuries neither Nyquist nor Tatar would have been up Tatar would have left and joined an SEL or KHL team...

I am asking this again because I just don't see a point in making the playoffs

if the chances are so heavily against you, what's the point of making the stupid playoffs screw the "streak" I'm interested in building for the future.

Yeah let's sell our only potential future top 6 center so Pittsburgh and Boston are getting a chance to sweep us and destroy us ... good plan Holland nah superb plan .. That's exactly why I would have been fine with standing pat if you trade Jarnkrok plus the return better be something like Ehrhoff you know a big f****** need. Already nervous about the draft I can see it now Nyquist, Mantha and a first for Jagr.

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No they insist on having a culture in place where you put in your time like others have before you and you earn your spot.

I agree that a player should put in his time and earn a spot, but I'm sure Nyquist would say that he spent too much time in the minors. As would Helm who kept getting called up for the playoffs but get sent down during regular season. I hate the whole over-ripe philosophy, when a player is ready he should get the chance.

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I agree that a player should put in his time and earn a spot, but I'm sure Nyquist would say that he spent too much time in the minors. As would Helm who kept getting called up for the playoffs but get sent down during regular season. I hate the whole over-ripe philosophy, when a player is ready he should get the chance.

To add fuel to the fire - how does a guy like Weiss get a 5 year contract coming off an injury and never playing a game in a system like Detroit's and a kid like Jarnkrok can't get a chance in the lineup once?

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To add fuel to the fire - how does a guy like Weiss get a 5 year contract coming off an injury and never playing a game in a system like Detroit's and a kid like Jarnkrok can't get a chance in the lineup once?

The previous 10 year NHL career may have had something to do with it.

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I'm pissed about losing Jarnkrok, but I've had some time to cool down and think it through some more. The Wings absolutely need a center now that Datsyuk is going to miss three weeks, Zetterberg already shut down for the season, and Helm and Weiss now questionable going forward. Legwand was the best fit for our team that was moved, and Holland did what was necessary to land him. We can all speculate whether it was possible to acquire Legwand for less, but we ultimately will never know for sure. Maybe another team had a solid offer already on the table, or maybe Polie was playing hardball. Who knows. If Eaves, a 2nd/3rd, and Jarnkrok was a take-it-or-leave-it for Legwand, I think I would have pulled the trigger too, simply to give the Wings a fighting chance to make the playoffs.

As for Jarnkrok vs Legwand, we are losing a lot of potential, certainly. But we are getting a top 6 center man (who will be second only to Zetterberg for team scoring) with a proven record of being reliable both defensively and offensively. He's also able to help the team now (as opposed to three years from now), which is important. Jarnkrok, like all prospects, isn't a sure thing. There is no guarantee he even makes it to the NHL (especially with all the speculation that he returns to Sweden), and if he does make the NHL, there's no guarantee that he will be a top six centerman of Legwand's calibre.

It probably doesn't make it any easier for most of you to swallow, so instead I can just post what our lines could look like should we make the playoffs:

Zetterberg Datsyuk Franzen

Alfredson Legwand Nyqvist

Tatar Sheahan Jurco

Abdelkader Helm/Weiss Bertuzzi/Miller

Or any combination thereof.

Any way you want to write it up, that's an upset team.

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The previous 10 year NHL career may have had something to do with it.

Coming off an injury - nobody knew what would happen. Some players are never the same. We are also dealing with 25 million versus measly pennies for a kid. I think Jarnkrok easily would have bested Weiss' stats this year with his ice time.

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To add fuel to the fire - how does a guy like Weiss get a 5 year contract coming off an injury and never playing a game in a system like Detroit's and a kid like Jarnkrok can't get a chance in the lineup once?

I actually I don't have a problem with Weiss, the Wings needed a 2nd line center and they went and got one who turned out to be a dud so far; which barring hind site no one could have predicted.

My issue would be how many talented players did Holland pass up on in the last 5-7 years? A lot of them were better then Weiss and yet he decided to give Sammy 3 mil a year and sign Weiss to 5 years.

When was the last time we were genuinely surprised and excited by a Holland move? The only two have been Alfie last year and Hossa in 09 otherwise most of his moves have been predictable, even today's Legwand move wasn't a surprise.

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I'm pissed about losing Jarnkrok, but I've had some time to cool down and think it through some more. The Wings absolutely need a center now that Datsyuk is going to miss three weeks, Zetterberg already shut down for the season, and Helm and Weiss now questionable going forward. Legwand was the best fit for our team that was moved, and Holland did what was necessary to land him. We can all speculate whether it was possible to acquire Legwand for less, but we ultimately will never know for sure. Maybe another team had a solid offer already on the table, or maybe Polie was playing hardball. Who knows. If Eaves, a 2nd/3rd, and Jarnkrok was a take-it-or-leave-it for Legwand, I think I would have pulled the trigger too, simply to give the Wings a fighting chance to make the playoffs.

As for Jarnkrok vs Legwand, we are losing a lot of potential, certainly. But we are getting a top 6 center man (who will be second only to Zetterberg for team scoring) with a proven record of being reliable both defensively and offensively. He's also able to help the team now (as opposed to three years from now), which is important. Jarnkrok, like all prospects, isn't a sure thing. There is no guarantee he even makes it to the NHL (especially with all the speculation that he returns to Sweden), and if he does make the NHL, there's no guarantee that he will be a top six centerman of Legwand's calibre.

It probably doesn't make it any easier for most of you to swallow, so instead I can just post what our lines could look like should we make the playoffs:

Zetterberg Datsyuk Franzen

Alfredson Legwand Nyqvist

Tatar Sheahan Jurco

Abdelkader Helm/Weiss Bertuzzi/Miller

Or any combination thereof.

Any way you want to write it up, that's an upset team.

The problem is the window for success. Weiss, Datsyuk, Z, Legwand will all be gone within years of each other likely. We traded away our next up and coming C to replace them. The task is now to find those replacements or we are screwed. If Legwand was 27 and filled out our age gaps I would have been much happier about the acquisition even if it cost more (which it would have).

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Unless J-rok becomes a 1st line scorer in the NHL, I think I'm ok with this trade now.

I don't know if it's just me but I really want our playoff streak to survive so Legwand helps our team right now and maybe for 2-3 years (hopefully at like 2.5mil, even if maybe its unrealistic). We can pay him from the No Cleary/Bert/Sammy fund.

Pulkkinen sounds like he can be legit just from his shot alone. “He can create something out of nothing,” said Griffins head coach Jeff Blashill. “He can score goals from everywhere on the ice because he has an extremely dynamic shot — both his slap shot and his wrist shot. When goals are at such a premium in hockey, he’s one of those few guys who only needs one chance to score. His shot is that good.” http://www.redwingscentral.com/2014/03/03/4483/pulkkinen-becoming-a-commodity-in-a-hurry/ ... We have enough play makers on our team as Babcock is always begging people to shoot.

With prospects Pulkkinen, Mantha, Athanasiou.. and rookies Sheahan, Jurco, Tatar, Nyquist, Andy .... Kind of makes J-rok worth the risk to keep that streak I want alive. Athanasiou is a player on fire in the OHL from that aritcle he's had "...another hat trick on March 1. He’s had three other hat tricks since mid-December, with two four-goal games and a five-goal outburst."

Legwand will be a huge boost for these next three weeks cause we play a lot of games with few days between.

IF fully healthy and IF we make the playoffs

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Alfredsson
Nyquist-Helm-Franzen
3a. Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco 3b. Legwand-Weiss/Andy-Abby

Cleary, Bert, Miller, Andy, Glen

Lots of depth and having Legwand over Miller I think adds a lot more offensive threat, skill, and experience. He's even better on PK than Miller.

All if we are healthy but if we are not, he's even more important.

... Wicked ... a weird bounce just tied the Montreal Game


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see this is you talking as a preds fan.... Sure send him (s***) to Detroit his best days are behind him. Idgaf that he waived his ntc, he's trash and shoulda stayed where he belongs cuz 100% he don't belong in a wing jersey... f*** Holland really blessed your team, why do u make it seem like this trade was even 60-40 fair???

Dude... have some class

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I'm pissed about losing Jarnkrok, but I've had some time to cool down and think it through some more. The Wings absolutely need a center now that Datsyuk is going to miss three weeks, Zetterberg already shut down for the season, and Helm and Weiss now questionable going forward. Legwand was the best fit for our team that was moved, and Holland did what was necessary to land him. We can all speculate whether it was possible to acquire Legwand for less, but we ultimately will never know for sure. Maybe another team had a solid offer already on the table, or maybe Polie was playing hardball. Who knows. If Eaves, a 2nd/3rd, and Jarnkrok was a take-it-or-leave-it for Legwand, I think I would have pulled the trigger too, simply to give the Wings a fighting chance to make the playoffs.

As for Jarnkrok vs Legwand, we are losing a lot of potential, certainly. But we are getting a top 6 center man (who will be second only to Zetterberg for team scoring) with a proven record of being reliable both defensively and offensively. He's also able to help the team now (as opposed to three years from now), which is important. Jarnkrok, like all prospects, isn't a sure thing. There is no guarantee he even makes it to the NHL (especially with all the speculation that he returns to Sweden), and if he does make the NHL, there's no guarantee that he will be a top six centerman of Legwand's calibre.

It probably doesn't make it any easier for most of you to swallow, so instead I can just post what our lines could look like should we make the playoffs:

Zetterberg Datsyuk Franzen

Alfredson Legwand Nyqvist

Tatar Sheahan Jurco

Abdelkader Helm/Weiss Bertuzzi/Miller

Or any combination thereof.

Any way you want to write it up, that's an upset team.

If we get healthy up front we can match with anyone, just need Jimmy to be Jimmy and the D to be steady.

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Coming off an injury - nobody knew what would happen. Some players are never the same. We are also dealing with 25 million versus measly pennies for a kid. I think Jarnkrok easily would have bested Weiss' stats this year with his ice time.

I agree that nobody knew what could happen, but my point is that Weiss has proven that he can play in this league when healthy. Jarnkrok has not. I'm not disagreeing that in 3 years I would probably rather have Jarnkrok than Weiss. But right now I'd still rather have a guy that has proven he can play than one who hasn't. And I'd take Legwand over both of them.

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The problem is the window for success. Weiss, Datsyuk, Z, Legwand will all be gone within years of each other likely. We traded away our next up and coming C to replace them. The task is now to find those replacements or we are screwed. If Legwand was 27 and filled out our age gaps I would have been much happier about the acquisition even if it cost more (which it would have).

I agree it would have been ideal to get a younger center, but based on who was and wasn't moved, that wasn't an option. Detroit was in the thick of the Kesler trade talk up until the Canucks pulled out. At that point the next best option became Legwand. He doesn't solve our problems five years from now, but he is the best option for success today. Holland had a choice to sacrifice a player who may (or may not) be a solid player years from now for a solution to our current injury problems and went for it. There's still several years to figure out who will replace our centers when they retire.

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I was a Jarnkrok fan too. But, given the situation the Wings are in, it was a good trade. Legwand is a proven solid top six forward for at least five more years. I assume he will resign in Detroit for a reasonable price. Calle may not ever be a top six NHLer or even play in NA. The Wings are loaded with young forwards. Kenny knows all of this and how to do his job WAY MORE than any of us do. Relax people...or go away.

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I WAS a jarnkrok fan. But looking at his evaluations and where he's at in his career I think this might end up being a very good looking deal in a few years. He's farrrrrr behind being the "next zberg". Jarnkrok was definitely hyped... perhaps over-hyped... If Holland cashed in on an over-hyped prospect on a hot streak, that's a good thing. We really won't know a thing about this trade until Jarnkrok hits NHL ice whenever they may be. Very real possibility that it may never happen. Look at Erat for Forsberg. HIGHLY touted Forsberg has done NOTHING in the NHL thus far. And Jarnkrok has many more flaws than him at the moment.

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I agree it would have been ideal to get a younger center, but based on who was and wasn't moved, that wasn't an option. Detroit was in the thick of the Kesler trade talk up until the Canucks pulled out. At that point the next best option became Legwand. He doesn't solve our problems five years from now, but he is the best option for success today. Holland had a choice to sacrifice a player who may (or may not) be a solid player years from now for a solution to our current injury problems and went for it. There's still several years to figure out who will replace our centers when they retire.

I just fear the day when 5 years from now comes around and Holland has conveniently retired and our new GM is in the exact situation the Leafs are in now with no top 6 C prospect and just standing around with our hands in our pockets waiting for something to happen. Our young wingers and dmen will keep us afloat to the point where we never see a top 5 pick and we won't get that slam dunk C prospect and so begins the era of the Wings with no top 6 C depth (which has always been a strength).

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This season was a waste when we played with ToToo, Samuelsson, Bertuzi and Cleary prior to the season start and didn't address defense. . Holland has been incapable of making trades

or acquiring talent unless the talent was Michigan bred and wanting to play for the winged wheel. The team has been in decline the last few years with no rudder or vision for the long term.

I have no issue with weeding out some of the young talent we don't want or won't need in trade for solid proven players...Ryan, Vanek etc....but this move was desperation and is more of the same.

Holland lost me last year and I stopped watching once the debacle of the opening roster was produced. Sorry Kenny I still hate you as a GM.

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I just fear the day when 5 years from now comes around and Holland has conveniently retired and our new GM is in the exact situation the Leafs are in now with no top 6 C prospect and just standing around with our hands in our pockets waiting for something to happen. Our young wingers and dmen will keep us afloat to the point where we never see a top 5 pick and we won't get that slam dunk C prospect and so begins the era of the Wings with no top 6 C depth (which has always been a strength).

I don't think that will be the case, since the scouting department has been pretty consistent.

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I was a Jarnkrok fan too. But, given the situation the Wings are in, it was a good trade. Legwand is a proven solid top six forward for at least five more years. I assume he will resign in Detroit for a reasonable price. Calle may not ever be a top six NHLer or even play in NA. The Wings are loaded with young forwards. Kenny knows all of this and how to do his job WAY MORE than any of us do. Relax people...or go away.

Like he knew how to handle Tatar in the AHL or Nyquist right ? Without injuries none of them would have been on the roster. Let's see in the offseason what Nyquist does if he bolts to Sweden the trade looks a bit better if not highway almost insane robbery. While we are at it I'm sure Jagr, Brodeur are free agents at the end of the year so maybe we can sign them and put out the oldest team in the league 38+ here we come woohoo

Accept other opinions...or go away.

If there isn't an acception of retooling/rebuilding soon we are going to end up like the Flames, having to trade way over the hill players for peanuts.

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