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Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

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Wonder what could of happened with axelsson and ryno if they were given just 5-10 games with the wings

Well of course the Wings would have won more Cups had they just given Axelsson and Ryno a chance!! Are you kidding me? These guys were never going to be good enough to be in the NHL let alone good enough to even merit a look with the Wings back then. Neither have gotten offers from any other NHL club since leaving so every other team must have seen the same the Wings did. Hell last time I checked Ryno couldnt even cut it in the Swedish elite league and has been hanging out in the Swedish 2nd tier since leaving NA.

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After the last two games losing Datsyuk and now Helm to a possible concussion, our Center core is thinner then dental floss. Holland absolutely HAD to do something with these latest 2 injuries coming in the last 2 games. We simply could not get by with Andersson as the #1 center. Holland's hand was forced to shore up the center position.

I agree other things could have been done with defense and what not, but to shore up a Center and another D man at the trade dead line, how much more future did we want to trade more then we already did for Legwand? A solid D would have cost some future prospects and this thread would be 5 times as long deriding Holland for giving up too much future.

Besides, the picking are slim for UFA defensemen at the end of this season that could leave their teams, forcing that team's GM to trade them for something:

http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?year_id=2014&team_id=-1&position_id=D&fa_type_id=2

p.s. don't get me wrong, Holland did a dismal job shoring up defense after Rafalski, Lids and Stuart were departing.

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Without reading through 39 pages, what does this mean for the salary cap?

If both Weiss and Zetterberg eventually come back the Wings are waaay over the cap. Does this trade mean the Wings are basically admitting Z won't be back at all this season no matter what?

I may be wrong, but I thought cap doesn't count once you're in the playoffs, and Z is not coming back before the first round. They said his back surgery recovery time is 8 weeks, so that's the rest of the season. Weiss just had another setback, Allah only knows what's going on with his gizzards. With Dats being shut down for 3 weeks, and they told him total shutdown, "don't even get out of bed", we'll revisit if you need surgery.

That's a lot of LTIR cap space to work with.

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So next year....Z and Dats play together.

Weiss and Legwand are 2 and 3 or 3 and 2.

Helm is always injured.

Best man for the job steps up and wins the #4 spot.

Not sure what the problem is.

The issue I do have is Holland failing to step up and get Ryan Ellis involved in the deal. Under valued and poorly utilized by Trotz. All the skill in the world. Right handed shot. Best plus/minus on the team. Limited ice time. Playing behind Weber,Jones,Del Zotto and Josi.

I find it hard to believe a competent and determined GM couldn't pry this kid out of Nashville. He will have a better career than Rafalski if ever given the chance.

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I like this trade. Jarnkrok may develop in to a great player, but before the deadline I wanted make sure that come March 6th we still had Tatar, Nyquist, Jurco, Sproul, Oullet, Mrazek, Mantha, Pullkinnen... I prefer these guys so it's not like we sold the family china. Eaves wasn't back in the summer, so effectively a pick and a prospect for a proven centre isn't a high price.

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My best guess is that the Wings realized Jarny was never gonna be big enough for the NHL

Then Pulkkinen will surely never play...

Well of course the Wings would have won more Cups had they just given Axelsson and Ryno a chance!! Are you kidding me? These guys were never going to be good enough to be in the NHL let alone good enough to even merit a look with the Wings back then. Neither have gotten offers from any other NHL club since leaving so every other team must have seen the same the Wings did. Hell last time I checked Ryno couldnt even cut it in the Swedish elite league and has been hanging out in the Swedish 2nd tier since leaving NA.

Right...Axelsson sounded like a typical primadonna, lazy kid. Those guys jusy dont work out here.

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From Globe & Mail:

David Poile remembers only too well not getting anything out of Ryan Suter in 2012 when the Nashville general manager couldn’t sign the defenceman to a new contract.

He didn’t let it happen again.

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“I certainly didn’t like the fact going back a few years the Ryan Suter situation when we didn’t get anything for an unrestricted free agent,” Poile said. “I think we need to try to manage our assets as best possible and the fact that David was going to be unrestricted and we have no guarantee we’ll be able to sign him after the season, (trading) made a lot of sense for the organization and for the future.”

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David Poile: Improving(?) his Wikipedia page, one line at a time.

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Legwand is in fact from the burbs, went to Grosse Pointe North, my old high school (not bragging, just saying)

Makes you wonder if this is the fulfillment of a dream, or does being an NHL veteran lower the excitement of getting traded to the team he probably idolized as a child.

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Since we all know that he can't wear 11 or 71 what number will Legwand wore in Detroit? Day should be his home opener. Hoping the Wings win every game from here on out so we can make the playoffs.

He is wearing #17 per Khan

edit: remove that stupid Tapatalk sig

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I like this trade. Jarnkrok may develop in to a great player, but before the deadline I wanted make sure that come March 6th we still had Tatar, Nyquist, Jurco, Sproul, Oullet, Mrazek, Mantha, Pullkinnen... I prefer these guys so it's not like we sold the family china. Eaves wasn't back in the summer, so effectively a pick and a prospect for a proven centre isn't a high price.

I like this trade. Jarnkrok may develop in to a great player, but before the deadline I wanted make sure that come March 6th we still had Tatar, Nyquist, Jurco, Sproul, Oullet, Mrazek, Mantha, Pullkinnen... I prefer these guys so it's not like we sold the family china. Eaves wasn't back in the summer, so effectively a pick and a prospect for a proven centre isn't a high price.

I do not like this trade. It smacks of complete desperation. For what - a chance of getting into the playoffs, as slim as that may seem. Jarnkrok was still the best chance of a better than average centre for years to come. Dats and Z's years are numbered. Z may not even return and if he does, will he be the same? All things considered, dumb trade.

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The more I think of this deal, the more I like it. I wrote somewhere that we likely won't resign Legwand. But I didn't take into consideration that we will most likley loose at least 2 Wingers with Bert and Cleary this summer. And it's not to absurd to think of Legwand as a legit Top 6 -Winger. For that and our immediate need for a center the deal is ok. Nothing to write home about but not awful either.

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Not even close. Best center prospect, yeah. Others are better overall.

Oh well if it's just out best "center" prospect then oh well haha...In all seriousness though what are we going to do now? ***** about firing Holland and burn our favorite Wings s***?

Ain't noone got time for that. WE HAVE THE PLAYOFFS TO MAKE and here's to David Legwand helping us as much as he can. Welcome to Detroit LGW

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http://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey/nhl/jag-vet-inte-varifran-uppgifterna-kommer/

"I do not know the source of the data"

LOS ANGELES. Detroit saw Calle Järnkrok as a coming man. But yesterday changed its NHL club away, 22-year old Swedish talent to Nashville to get veteran center David Legwand, 33.

TV sports channel TSN stated that one of the reasons the Red Wings dropped Järnkrok was that he said he is considering moving back to Sweden after this season.

Something Calle denies.

- I have not said. I do not know where the data is coming, but that's not true, he says to SportExpressen.se.

Prior to the NHL's trading deadline on Wednesday took a series of big plays stores room.

One of the most notable was Detroit's swap deal with Nashville, where they gave up Patrick Eaves, Calle Järnkrok and a third round in this year's draft to get Legwand.

The idea is that the veteran center to help the Red Wings the rest of the season, when you have cents ministers Henrik Zetterberg, Pavel Datsjuk and Darren Helm injured.

Järnkrok makes his second season in Farm Team Grand Rapid Griffins in the AHL and says he was immediately shocked to have to change clubs.

- Yes, you could say that I was. This was not something I had anticipated, but although it is sad to leave all my friends here in Grand Rapids so it feels good to get a new start in Nashville's organization.

Today, Thursday, he will travel to Milwaukee, where the Predators have their farm team.

- The idea is that I'll play with Milwaukee on Friday.

Has Nashville's management said anything more detailed about what plans they have for you?

- No, they have called and greeted me welcome to the club and I'll start in Milwaukee. Then we'll take it from there.

"I have not said"

How has the season in the AHL been for you?

- It was a little sluggish at first, but it has gotten better and better. I've learned the game on smaller rink now and look isytorna better.

What about the information that you are on your way home to Sweden and Brynäsgatan after this season?

- I have not said. I do not know where the data comes. I have a year left on my NHL contract, so it's not true.

Now you get to play with Filip Forsberg, he knows you well?

- Yes, and Milwaukee is also Patrick Cehlin and Magnus Hellberg. And in Nashville, I feel the Mattias Ekholm, so it feels safe.

Järnkrok have 57 games in the AHL this season, made 36 points, 13 goals and 23 assists.

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Nobody will ever know if the rumors are true or not. The Wings aren't going to say bad things about him, and Jarnkrok isn't going to admit it because it would make him look bad. Hell, it might have come from his agent, not Jarnkrok. Agents have done things without their client's knowledge or permission before, so who knows.

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Nothing is sure about him he's a prospect? With that logic why stop there? We should of traded mantha and mrazek and pulkkinen for ehroff there just prospects who might never do anything

And those saying janrkrok might not ever make it cause he's not big enough .... Tyler ennis made it and he's like 5'7 170 ish .... Gionta , camalleri

I just think throwing away your top rated prospect center for a 33 yr old ufa (don't care that he's gonna resign here) is way too much to pay regardless of whether janrkrok makes it or not ... We needed help on d then we should of just traded pulkkinen for meszaros(being sarcastic )

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Nothing is sure about him he's a prospect? With that logic why stop there? We should of traded mantha and mrazek and pulkkinen for ehroff there just prospects who might never do anything

And those saying janrkrok might not ever make it cause he's not big enough .... Tyler ennis made it and he's like 5'7 170 ish .... Gionta , camalleri

I just think throwing away your top rated prospect center for a 33 yr old ufa (don't care that he's gonna resign here) is way too much to pay regardless of whether janrkrok makes it or not ... We needed help on d then we should of just traded pulkkinen for meszaros(being sarcastic )

Why is it so hard for you (and others) to understand that the trades on D were just not there?

Just because we all wanted a trade on D, doesn't mean that the deals were there.

I saw a tweet yesterday that said the asking price from VAN on Edler was: Nyquist, high-end prospect, and a 1st.

(How would you have felt about that trade nitf?)

Later in the day there was a tweet that in reality, NONE of the VAN D were on the market.

Not Edler, Not Bieksa. Not Garrison, Not Hamhuis. None of them.

Sarcasm or not... if Holland wanted Meszaros all he would have had to do was offer an additional pick or a 2nd rounder.

No need to move any prospect for him.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... NONE of the players moved yesterday are an upgrade over the players that we have or prospects we can call up from Grand Rapids. NOT A SINGLE ONE.

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Let's try this again.

Legwand is not a scrub, nor is he necessarily just a rental.

Jarnkrok hasn't proven anything and lots of prospects who are "for sure going to be great" never make it. "Can't miss" prospects miss all the time. Jarnkrok wasn't even a can't miss prospect.

They didn't trade Datsyuk or Zetterberg. They traded a prospect. Breathe.

How many good prospects that Holland has traded have done anything? Fleishchmann. If holland was willing to trade Jarnkrok for Legwand, he had a good reason.

What makes more sense, there was some truth to the Brynas rumors, or Holland traded a guy he thought would make it in the NHL in a panic move?

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I'll weigh in on this...

I like this trade. Legwand isn't a rental, he'll sign with his hometown team. David's got 4 good years left.

Jarnkrok was drafted in 2010, is 23 in September, and hasn't even played a game in the NHL yet! He's still only in his first season in the AHL. He'll probably need another season in Grand Rapids before he's ready, making him 24 before he plays in the NHL. Then he'll need 80 games to see if he can play in the NHL or not, making him 25. In that time, Legwand can score 150 pts for us.

It took Datsyuk and Zetterberg just 3 years to make the Red Wings after being drafted, Jarnkork is on year 4. Either Jarnkrok isn't good enough to make the Wings, or there's too many guy in front of him. Out of all the young guys in our organization, he's the one to go.

If he was can't miss, he'd already be on the team.

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I'll weigh in on this...

I like this trade. Legwand isn't a rental, he'll sign with his hometown team. David's got 4 good years left.

Jarnkrok was drafted in 2010, is 23 in September, and hasn't even played a game in the NHL yet! He's still only in his first season in the AHL. He'll probably need another season in Grand Rapids before he's ready, making him 24 before he plays in the NHL. Then he'll need 80 games to see if he can play in the NHL or not, making him 25. In that time, Legwand can score 150 pts for us.

It took Datsyuk and Zetterberg just 3 years to make the Red Wings after being drafted, Jarnkork is on year 4. Either Jarnkrok isn't good enough to make the Wings, or there's too many guy in front of him. Out of all the young guys in our organization, he's the one to go.

If he was can't miss, he'd already be on the team.

That's only because of our ridiculous strategy of overripping players. It's normal for us to keep guys in the farm despite being the better choice to guys on our current NHL roster.

Look at what happened this season. We started Sammy and Cleary over Nyquist and Tatar. In what freaking universe is that a logical decision?

Jarnkrok will make the Preds roster next season simply because he will be given a chance to do so, and all what we're feeling now will just be worse when we see Jarnkrok in the big league doing great.

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I'll weigh in on this...

I like this trade. Legwand isn't a rental, he'll sign with his hometown team. David's got 4 good years left.

Jarnkrok was drafted in 2010, is 23 in September, and hasn't even played a game in the NHL yet! He's still only in his first season in the AHL. He'll probably need another season in Grand Rapids before he's ready, making him 24 before he plays in the NHL. Then he'll need 80 games to see if he can play in the NHL or not, making him 25. In that time, Legwand can score 150 pts for us.

It took Datsyuk and Zetterberg just 3 years to make the Red Wings after being drafted, Jarnkork is on year 4. Either Jarnkrok isn't good enough to make the Wings, or there's too many guy in front of him. Out of all the young guys in our organization, he's the one to go.

If he was can't miss, he'd already be on the team.

Thank you! Hudler produced better than Jarnkrok at 18 years old in the AHL. Did Hudler ever make it to top prospect? Did he make it to franchise player?

Losing Jarnkrok sucks, but he isn't the next Zetterberg. Zetterberg didn't touch the AHL. Jarnkrok's projections was 2nd line at best.

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