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#41 DickieDunn

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 10:26 AM

Weiss has been consistently good for several year, not just one or two.  Is it possible that he never gets back?  Sure.  But it's way too early to write him off.

 

Weiss can NOT be bought out.  They closed that loophole quickly when they realized that a team could sign a guy to a 5 year $10 mil contract with the intent of him only playing for the one year, giving him a big payday and the team a good player for a small cap hit.  I expect Tootoo to be bought out.  I don't think Franzen will be, simply because there are only a handful of players who could replace his production available, and they would cost significantly more than him for slightly better production at best.  If he is bought out, it will be because of that ridiculous recapture penalty, but I have a feeling Detroit will take a chance on that biting them later for production now.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 10:29 AM

I'm in the camp of "let's wait until the guy is healthy for a while before we declare him a bust." I know the seemingly endless injuries have been aggravating, and when he did play he didn't show much, but I just don't think we should assume he's done on the basis of 26 games played at mostly well below full health.



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 10:38 AM

Weiss has been consistently good for several year, not just one or two.  Is it possible that he never gets back?  Sure.  But it's way too early to write him off.

 

Weiss can NOT be bought out.  They closed that loophole quickly when they realized that a team could sign a guy to a 5 year $10 mil contract with the intent of him only playing for the one year, giving him a big payday and the team a good player for a small cap hit.  I expect Tootoo to be bought out.  I don't think Franzen will be, simply because there are only a handful of players who could replace his production available, and they would cost significantly more than him for slightly better production at best.  If he is bought out, it will be because of that ridiculous recapture penalty, but I have a feeling Detroit will take a chance on that biting them later for production now.

We can still use a regular buyout on Weiss. It would be the worst case scenario as we would be given a cap penalty for the remainder of his deal, but if the cap goes up by a lot and we have plenty of room it could be a way out if Weiss completely sucks. I certainly agree it's too early to give up on him though. 



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 10:41 AM

Unless he's healthy and completely stinks up the joint, they won't buy him out.  Even then they might just send him to GR to play.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 02:15 PM

I know NTC's are becoming a lot more common, but I think the Wings have the most players with NTC's of any team in the league, maybe tied with Boston.  The backup goalie has a NTC for chrissakes.  And I realize a couple big name players have waved them recently, but it still makes it more difficult to move them and weakens the GM's bargaining position.   
 
As for Weiss, he was a non-factor when he was healthy and now his injury situation has gotten ridiculous.  He can still be a good player for the Wings eventually, but fans are understandably frustrated.  


Dallas Boston and Detroit all have 11 ntc's. A few teams with 8 or 9 but we are tied with Dallas and Boston for the most.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:00 PM

Legwand is competing with Weiss for the 2C spot in the lineup, and off to a damn impressive start. Holland won't keep both of them.

Hollands options are to resign Legwand, who by then will be much more of a known quantity than Weiss, and ask Weiss for a list of teams he'd like to go to, or let Legwand walk and hope Weiss starts producing.

If I'm KH, (as it looks like at this point in time) I'm resigning Leggy, and selling everyone else in the league on Weiss' same strengths mentioned in this thread for a trade package for a big winger for Pavel.

Use the cap increase to acquire a top pairing Dman and Bob's your uncle, we're major contenders.

Edited by T.Low, 08 March 2014 - 03:03 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:07 PM

Legwand is competing with Weiss for the 2C spot in the lineup, and off to a damn impressive start. Holland won't keep both of them.

Hollands options are to resign Legwand, who by then will be much more of a known quantity than Weiss, and ask Weiss for a list of teams he'd like to go to, or let Legwand walk and hope Weiss starts producing.

If I'm KH, (as it looks like at this point in time) I'm resigning Leggy, and selling everyone else in the league on Weiss' same strengths mentioned in this thread for a trade package for a big winger for Pavel.

Use the cap increase to acquire a top pairing Dman and Bob's your uncle, we're major contenders.

 

 

Again, why is it one or the other?


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:09 PM

Why is everyone so low on Weiss? He was hurt since training camp and wasn't 100% when he did play this season. At least give the guy a chance to show us what he can do. People act like he is a piece of trash off the streets.

 

A lot of the complaining about Weiss comes from the same people who are still complaining about Jarnkrok. It's ironic. They want to wait years for prospects and are supposedly invested in the future of the team, but they won't wait for a proven vet to get healthy.



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 04:13 PM

Again, why is it one or the other?



Too much of the pie tied up in a 3c for too little ROI. Would see diminishing returns on that money, so
we'd keep a younger faster cheaper Sheahan and Helm in the 3-4 spots, use the money savings to bolster D and Pavs wing.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 04:20 PM

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I would venture that it won't be used. The only person it would make the most sense to is Mule, and the way he is playing right now you could argue he is underpaid. W

 

Weiss isn't eligible for the compliance since he was signed AFTER the lockout.

 

And Toots and the rest of the misfits' contracts are all up this summer.

 

EDIT: Never mind, i forgot that Kenny signed him for, umm, 3 years.

can nashville,have tootoo back,please.We will give y'all anybody,but weber,rinne,josi,



#51 DickieDunn

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 04:48 PM

Too much of the pie tied up in a 3c for too little ROI. Would see diminishing returns on that money, so
we'd keep a younger faster cheaper Sheahan and Helm in the 3-4 spots, use the money savings to bolster D and Pavs wing.

 

First, neither are 3rd centers.  Second, one can play wing.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 04:58 PM

can nashville,have tootoo back,please.We will give y'all anybody,but weber,rinne,josi,

 

jarnkrok for tootoo lol



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 05:21 PM

can nashville,have tootoo back,please.We will give y'all anybody,but weber,rinne,josi,

I'm sure nashville could have him if they wanted him. Holland would give him up at this point for a conditional 7th/future considerations. 


Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 05:22 PM

Wasn't Tootoo waived at some point?



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 05:28 PM

Wasn't Tootoo waived at some point?

 

yup.  He cleared. 



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Posted 08 March 2014 - 06:13 PM

 

First, neither are 3rd centers.  Second, one can play wing.

This. Let's not forget we lose probably Bert and Cleary, maybe Alfie. There will be more than enough room for another Top6 player this summer. 


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Posted 08 March 2014 - 07:24 PM

First, neither are 3rd centers.  Second, one can play wing.




Which one excels at wing?

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 10:29 PM

Good lord... I give it 2 weeks after he comes back and lights it up unjnjured. Anyways why not Vancouver?
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#59 MaynardJmzKeenan

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 11:59 AM

His value is so low, the return would be minimal. I would rather see Weiss get healthy and contribute like he has before in his career. I think he deserves more of a chance here until the contract is declared an overwhelming failure.

Totally agree. He is going to be a really good player for us I believe. Even this year if we make it to post season i think he'll contribute. He is too good of a player to just give up on when he's had these injuries. I lived in Florida for many years and got to watch allot if Weiss and i really like what i saw ;-). Patience Daniel Son....

Edited by MaynardJmzKeenan, 09 March 2014 - 11:59 AM.


#60 MaynardJmzKeenan

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 12:09 PM

can nashville,have tootoo back,please.We will give y'all anybody,but weber,rinne,josi,

I'm with you on this but seeing that we didn't pick him up off waivers, that ship has sailed :-(. No neck wants no part of him for some reason. I miss him and his energy when i go to pRedwing games.

Edited by MaynardJmzKeenan, 09 March 2014 - 12:09 PM.






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