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You are telling me that Johan looks at how much he makes and decides on how many goals, assists, and afford he will bring?

That is exactly what I said, word for word. You didn't put words in my mouth at all.

All I did was point out that there are worse contracts out there, and that franzens contract gets way more flack than it should. Everyone wishes he would be more consistent, but the fact remains he isn't but he is still a very good two way forward and his defensive *** is extremely underrated around here. Take what you will from my post, I provided facts, you made up what I was thinking. I have you the info, you do with it what you like.

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That is exactly what I said, word for word. You didn't put words in my mouth at all.

All I did was point out that there are worse contracts out there, and that franzens contract gets way more flack than it should. Everyone wishes he would be more consistent, but the fact remains he isn't but he is still a very good two way forward and his defensive *** is extremely underrated around here. Take what you will from my post, I provided facts, you made up what I was thinking. I have you the info, you do with it what you like.

For the millionth time, it's not the contract. His contract is mostly used by people who are content with his mediocre effort.

It's about an extremely talented player with great size and ability who half asses for long stretches that seem to be getting longer each season.

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They are all very streaky and have much larger cap hits, they are expected to produce more than franzen, I was pointing out how streaky they are. You're commenting how they have produced at a higher level has nothing to do with my post. That's like saying abdelkader should score 50 points a year even though he is paid way less than franzen

For the millionth time, it's not the contract. His contract is mostly used by people who are content with his mediocre effort.

It's about an extremely talented player with great size and ability who half asses for long stretches that seem to be getting longer each season.

I understand that, which is why I pointed out how much higher paid players are just as streaky. Like I said I would love for him to be more consistent, but it seems par for the course these days that high talent players score in bunches then disappear. He isn't elite and never has been.

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They are all very streaky and have much larger cap hits, they are expected to produce more than franzen, I was pointing out how streaky they are. You're commenting how they have produced at a higher level has nothing to do with my post. That's like saying abdelkader should score 50 points a year even though he is paid way less than franzen

I understand that, which is why I pointed out how much higher paid players are just as streaky. Like I said I would love for him to be more consistent, but it seems par for the course these days that high talent players score in bunches then disappear. He isn't elite and never has been.

It absolutely has something to do with your post because I was trying to clarify your point.

You said apples to apples comparison to Franzen, but then went on to list a bunch of guys who all produce at a higher level. I didn't understand what you meant.

And Franzen isn't just streaky. Most goal scorers are streaky. Franzen plays some nights like he doesn't give a rat's ass.

Not to mention everyone defending him continues to ignore that he has 12 points and is -11 over his last 32 playoff games.

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You're basically saying that people can be streaky and not put in effort and it's ok because that's a common theme in the nhl. The only reason they do that is because gms and coaches let them. If they all got together and decided they weren't going to reward sub par play with stupid contracts then guys would straighten up. It doesn't mean I have to be ok with it. Id rather they brought on a younger guy that is hungry than have someone lazy and having fun and happy with his season.

I still think this all started when he hurt his knee the beginning of the 2010 season. He hasn't been the same since.

Which is why if I'm a GM, no way I'm putting a guy in a long term contract like that. He gets hurt and boom you just screwed yourself.

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Hey, I don't think I get paid enough, so I will half ass this open heart surgery, hip replacement, or won't answer the call when I am needed in the OR to remove some lead for a cop who was shot trying to stop a bank robbery...

So glad Johan isn't my surgeon and Euro_Twins is the care coordinator

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I was not comparing their actual points but their streakyness. They are all paid to perform at very high level and they all take nights off, and those are all names that have been thrown around here that people want.

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I was not comparing their actual points but their streakyness. They are all paid to perform at very high level and they all take nights off, and those are all names that have been thrown around here that people want.

Point is when it is your job to give 110%, you shouldn't be taking nights off. Like my post above, you don't want a surgeon or cop deciding to take a night off; prorating their effort based on if they feel they are worth more - yeah that really works out to everyone... Won't even use current examples in the news as it is political.

I want an employee who will give their best no matter what... Not just a warm body to answer the phone as they use to say in the funeral business

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I think 90% of people in this thread are arguing the same points to each other, but are actually in agreement with what Franzen is.

Franzen is streaky.

Franzen could be much better if he were more consistent.

It is annoying for us as fans to watch Franzen not perform at the level we expect him to perform at, especially when the Wings need him to play better.

Franzen's contract is long.

Despite his shortcomings, he's still a solid point/goal scorer over an 82 game season, given his cap hit.

It would be difficult to acquire a player with the same cap hit who could produce at a better level than Franzen over an 82 game season, at least right now.

It isn't difficult to find someone more consistent than Franzen for a similar cap hit, although they will likely not put up the point total that Franzen does.

It isn't difficult to find someone who gives it his all and tries to be a game-changer moreso than Franzen, with the same cap hit. Again, they might not have the points that Franzen has.

Did I miss anything?

Edited by Echolalia

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I think people focus on points too much. I would be happy to have a guy that gets 10-15 points less a season but is effective at being a threat and wearing down the opposition and defense. And of course it would be nice to have some points in the playoffs. The cap hit per point compared to others argument is moot. Show up to play and make the other team have to defend you and game plan for you. Look at the grind line. Those guys didn't exactly tear up the point sheet but they sure as heck made playing against them difficult.

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I think people focus on points too much. I would be happy to have a guy that gets 10-15 points less a season but is effective at being a threat and wearing down the opposition and defense. And of course it would be nice to have some points in the playoffs. The cap hit per point compared to others argument is moot. Show up to play and make the other team have to defend you and game plan for you. Look at the grind line. Those guys didn't exactly tear up the point sheet but they sure as heck made playing against them difficult.

Well said even like ovi he is a legitimate threat every time he is on ice. Does he float? Sure. But teams have to be aware of where he is EVERY time because he is on the ice plus he scores and can also hit...Franzen when he takes his 60 games off during te course of a season isn't a threat. When he is floating teams no he is a non factor.

For people that actually watch other teams watch vanek. In the playoffs when he wasn't scoring what was he doing? Still being a precedes down around the net and being a threat.

That's the biggest difference between Franzen and most anyone. When he is floatinhe might as well not even be on the ice least other players in their droughts still contribute in a way.

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Well said even like ovi he is a legitimate threat every time he is on ice. Does he float? Sure. But teams have to be aware of where he is EVERY time because he is on the ice plus he scores and can also hit...Franzen when he takes his 60 games off during te course of a season isn't a threat. When he is floating teams no he is a non factor.

For people that actually watch other teams watch vanek. In the playoffs when he wasn't scoring what was he doing? Still being a precedes down around the net and being a threat.

That's the biggest difference between Franzen and most anyone. When he is floatinhe might as well not even be on the ice least other players in theirdroughts still contribute in a way.

Wait, what? Vanek? He was a ghost in the playoffs

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When the wings were playing, if you watched carefully youd see every time Johan was on the ice, the opposition actually skated out of his path to the net, and wherever the puck was, he just cares so little 60-70 games a year that he couldn't do anything with his limitless golden opportunities.

Seriously.

I get that you're annoyed with his consistency.

We all get it.

Seriously.

....

Its completely.

And totally understood.

That Johan franzen is a streaky goal scorer.

We know his contract extends two-three years longer than wed like.

We get that.

It sucks.

He hasn't shown up in the playoffs the way he did in 08, and he most likely never will.

Now that I got the rational dislikes for him out of the way, can you stop reaching for arguments?

When franzens not scoring, he still back checks, he's still not a liability when he's on the ice, and he's still setting guys up.

For the most part, vaneks not doing that.

Ovis definitely not doing that.

They put up more points than him, and get wayyyy more money, but those were the comparisons.

And if I call you Nancy do i have to show an AARP card to use it as an insult?

Arrogance aside, the franzen hate is getting ridiculous.

Edited by jimmyemeryhunter

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I don't care who you are or what you do for a living, no one, absolutely no one, gives "110 percent" every single day, every single minute at their job and never makes a mistake. Physicians don't, that's why there is malpractice suits. Engineers don't, look at the mess with GM and all the other recalls with the auto companies.

The difference is, most of us don't have cameras watching EVERY thing we do. Even the greatest of players, Datsyuk and Zetterberg have an off night here or there where they aren't on the top of their game. Yes, Franzen is more noticeable than others and the difference between his "off" and on" is much greater, but the silly sports cliche that guys give "110%" every night is a fallacy.

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Wait, what? Vanek? He was a ghost in the playoffs

Did you even watch the Canadians? Hell even NBC guys commented in it a couple times. He was always a threat and putting pressure on the opposing team.

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That both Vanek and Franzen are very talented players and are over scrutenized by fans league wide.

Vanek still brings more to the table than franzina.

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That both Vanek and Franzen are very talented players and are over scrutenized by fans league wide.

Vanek still brings more to the table than franzina.

As seen against the Rangers or during the Olympics when his national team needed him the most and that Grabber kid absolutely stole the shoe at less than half his pricetag. Vanek is streaky and should lose a few pounds guy has all world talent but never puts it together.

As for the mule just buy him out and then sign him on a shorterm proof it contract

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Franzen is NOT getting bought out. Get over it!

And besides if we did buy him out, we wouldn't be eligible to resign him to this "short term prove it contract"...

Prove what anyway? That despite how streaky he is, and despite him not having his whole heart, body and soul into every single game, he is still capable of taking over games, he is still capable of putting up 0.75 points per game...

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Franzen is NOT getting bought out. Get over it!

And besides if we did buy him out, we wouldn't be eligible to resign him to this "short term prove it contract"...

Prove what anyway? That despite how streaky he is, and despite him not having his whole heart, body and soul into every single game, he is still capable of taking over games, he is still capable of putting up 0.75 points per game...

So Holland told you so I guess? Nobody knows what will happen and I like Franzen but not buying him out will bite this team hard.

Prove: that you can takeover games at a more consistent basis and use your massive frame for some physical contact

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