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#1 Richdg

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 09:27 AM

There is lots of smoke about Ott moving him. Thoughts?

 

1. Ott is cash strapped so i think he will get moved.

2. Spezza is 31 this summer, 6-3/220 RHed, C, great play maker, good scorer, and great at puck poss. He is not a banger. But he does use his size and strength to move through the D.

3. First glance, I thought no. But the more I think about it, he is the type of player I think Holland would go for. Fits our system well and brings more size and O to our team.

4. Think of a top 6 with Datsyuk, Z, Spezza, Nyquist, with Jurco, Mantha, Sheahan, and tatar fighting for spots. Not to mention Weiss and Franzen.

5. This is his last year-scheduled to be a UFA next summer. This will drive down the cost of trading for him. The rumor mongers are saying: NHL player, prospect and a 1st to get him.

6. Ott sucked on D last year. We have some pieces that we could move to make this happen. NHL player, 1 of: Tatar or Helm; Prospect: Ouellet or Mrazek; Draft pick: 2014 1st.

7. if we pick him up, then of course sign him to a 4 year extension. Takes him through the year he turns 36.

 

Ok flame away.......

 



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 09:36 AM

I'm never a big fan of trading, but if the Wings make a trade this offseason , I want it to be for a top 3 defensman with an offensive upside. Spezza might be nice, though I personally wouldn't trade any assets for him this offseason.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 09:40 AM

I'd be fine with Spezza if he was a free agent but I wouldn't trade anything for him.Ottawa would probably want Mantha. Also I don't see any team trading a defenseman who could fit into our top 4.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 09:49 AM

I wouldn't trade for him.  Let some other team give up too much for a rental and then, if he's available the following Summer, see if he's willing to come to Detroit.



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 09:50 AM

I'm never a big fan of trading, but if the Wings make a trade this offseason , I want it to be for a top 3 defensman with an offensive upside. Spezza might be nice, though I personally wouldn't trade any assets for him this offseason.

Really? Shanahan, Hasek, Chelios, Maltby, Draper, Murphy, and a host of other greats were all picked up by trade at one point or another. Trading is as important, maybe more so than drafting. Trick of course is to never overpay and try to underpay.



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 10:04 AM

Depending on who they move it would be fantastic. Tatar, D prospect and whatever else.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 10:12 AM

I don't think people understand how much offense will be gained with a better D corps.



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 10:16 AM

Really? Shanahan, Hasek, Chelios, Maltby, Draper, Murphy, and a host of other greats were all picked up by trade at one point or another. Trading is as important, maybe more so than drafting. Trick of course is to never overpay and try to underpay.

 

I guess I should rephrase to: since the salary cap has been implemented, out of all the ways to acquire a player (free agency, draft, trading), trading (for me personally) is the least desirable.  This is the only form of getting a player which requires a team to sacrifice assets.  Although I do agree that sometimes I think its necessary. 



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 10:23 AM

Might as well sign Legwand without trading any assets. Spezza produces slightly more offense but the physical upgrade is not great.
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Posted 12 May 2014 - 10:47 AM

Might as well sign Legwand without trading any assets. Spezza produces slightly more offense but the physical upgrade is not great.

 

Bingo. And they're leaning towards letting Legwand walk.

 

I'd much rather use a Spezza-type package and go after a D man.


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 10:51 AM

Might as well sign Legwand without trading any assets. Spezza produces slightly more offense but the physical upgrade is not great.

Spezza produces about 25% more points per year on average than legwand. Younger as well. 


 

I guess I should rephrase to: since the salary cap has been implemented, out of all the ways to acquire a player (free agency, draft, trading), trading (for me personally) is the least desirable.  This is the only form of getting a player which requires a team to sacrifice assets.  Although I do agree that sometimes I think its necessary. 

UFA is  what has become a joke. Everyone gets resigned before it starts, then there is one or two good players available. You have to draft and you have to trade to build a team. 


I don't think people understand how much offense will be gained with a better D corps.

No we all understand that it will improve. But and this is key: there are no major upgrades even rumored to be available as of today-that will change of course, and 2. To get one of those type of Dmen we will have to pay twice the amount of a guy like Spezza. If Spezza can be had for say tatar, ouellet and a 1st, imagine what a guy like Carlson will cost: tatar, Nyquist, Ouellet, Mrazek and a 1st just to start.



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:32 AM

now if we could package Karlsson in......  :ph34r:

 

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:01 PM

No thanks, we don't need another center, we've got about 200 of them as it stands, and unlike Nyquist, Franzen, Abby, etc. etc., Spezza has never played on the wing as a professional.  I'd rather not give Babs another guy to stick in an unnatural position on a line that doesn't matter. 


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:10 PM

I really like Spezza great player, great center put into an absolute horrible situation (taking over from the best player this franchise ever had) and dealing with an owner who doesn't want to spend in order to improve the team. Anyway, I really hope we are staying away from him the Wigns are more than a Spezza awayfrom competing for the cup and it would for sure cost one of Mantha, Nyquist, Tatar for a guy who will be UFA after this year.

 

Cowen on the other hand yes please :-)


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:13 PM

I expect us to make a very strong push for him when he hits the market.

 

Also I don't see any team trading a defenseman who could fit into our top 4.

 

Broken record, but I just don't understand this mindset. There are players out there who would be upgrades over what we have (Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Smith) and who wouldn't cost the farm, and we're deep in attractive young assets and complementary pieces.


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:15 PM

I really like Spezza great player, great center put into an absolute horrible situation (taking over from the best player this franchise ever had) and dealing with an owner who doesn't want to spend in order to improve the team. Anyway, I really hope we are staying away from him the Wigns are more than a Spezza awayfrom competing for the cup and it would for sure cost one of Mantha, Nyquist, Tatar for a guy who will be UFA after this year.

 

Cowen on the other hand yes please :-)

 

I'd trade for Cowen only to tie him to an exercise machine of some sort, and let Datsyuk elbow him in the chin until his eyelashes fell out.


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:37 PM

No thanks, we don't need another center, we've got about 200 of them as it stands

 

Datsyuk (5'11, LH) will be gone soon. Ideally, Z (5'11, LH) plays wing, as it's easier on his body and allows him to be a bigger scoring threat. (Wing isn't an especially difficult position to play. If you're a top-end forward, you can play wing just fine. Case in point: Babs generally prefers to play young centers on the wing.) Weiss (5'11, LH) isn't quite on Spezza's level, and that's when he isn't a zombie. Helm (5'11, LH) is a third-liner with no hands. Sheahan may become a good 2C. We have no one on the farm.

 

So, while we don't need an elite center...


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:40 PM

 

Datsyuk (5'11, LH) will be gone soon. Ideally, Z (5'11, LH) plays wing, as it's easier on his body and allows him to be a bigger scoring threat. (Wing isn't an especially difficult position to play. If you're a top-end forward, you can play wing just fine. Case in point: Babs generally prefers to play young centers on the wing.) Weiss (5'11, LH) isn't quite on Spezza's level, and that's when he isn't a zombie. Helm (5'11, LH) is a third-liner with no hands. Sheahan may become a good 2C. We have no one on the farm.

 

So, while we don't need an elite center...

 

I get it.  I'd just rather spend the money/assets on a top line winger.  I feel comfortable going into the season with Dats, Weiss, Sheahan, Helm, and Glendening.  Bringing on another center just bumps everyone down a notch and moves one of Helm or Sheahan onto a wing...when we could/should have just acquired a wing to begin with. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 01:11 PM

We would be fools to trade for anything other than a defenseman. IMO we're only 2 good defenseman away from going from a playoff contender, to a Stanley Cup contender. I like Spezza, but we have more than enough capable forwards. Our biggest weakness by far is our defense (or lack thereof).


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 01:16 PM

Spezza produces about 25% more points per year on average than legwand. Younger as well.

Yes, no doubt Spezza would be an upgrade but we are talking about maybe 15-20 points and 3 years younger for a guy that can only be aquired through trade. Had Spezza been known to crash the net and make more use of his size, then I wouldnt hesitate one bit, but if you are looking for production Legwand offers very similar qualities for a fraction of the price imo.
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