Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Personally, I think Green would probably cost less than Yandle or Myers. That being said, I don't think Washington has a reason to move him at the deadline, considering their success.

[kipwinger 8,524]

Personally, I think Green would probably cost less than Yandle or Myers. That being said, I don't think Washington has a reason to move him at the deadline, considering their success.

You're right. If Washington weren't going to make the playoffs Green would cost less because he's on an expiring contract. I think the reason we're all saying he'd cost a lot is because they ARE going to make the playoffs and they'll need him. So, in order to pry him away, you'd have to give a MASSIVE overpayment.

[nawein 324]

You're right. If Washington weren't going to make the playoffs Green would cost less because he's on an expiring contract. I think the reason we're all saying he'd cost a lot is because they ARE going to make the playoffs and they'll need him. So, in order to pry him away, you'd have to give a MASSIVE overpayment.

Maybe not..

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/was150202.html

[krsmith17 7,191]

Jesusberg, if Kenny is truly going by the sentiment of "go big or go home", then my bet is he "goes home"... I just can't see Holland giving up the assets it will take to get a Yandle, Green or Myers...

e_prime, I agree that Holland should be doing something, but that something doesn't need to be earth shattering. I do believe we will end up with one of Petry, Zidlicky or Michalek at the deadline this year. We desperately need a right handed defenseman, and they are the most reasonable options in my opinion. I don't think it's fair to say "... and 28 other teams" will be after Franson. Of those 28 teams, only half will show interest, only a handful will have the cap space, and only a few will garner the same interest from Franson... I think it would come down to 3 or 4 teams, with us being a very strong candidate. I think he could choose to come here, knowing what a great franchise and culture there is in Detroit, and how well players are treated, as well as the bright future with all the young talent. He knows he would get a ton of minutes and an opportunity to quarterback the power-play.

[kipwinger 8,524]

Maybe not..

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/was150202.html

Well I'll be damned. And he has a (limited) NTC. That could hurt his value, and make him a little bit easier for a team like us to acquire. This really surprises me. They must have TONS of faith in Carlson and Niskanen to trade Green before a playoff run.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

You're right. If Washington weren't going to make the playoffs Green would cost less because he's on an expiring contract. I think the reason we're all saying he'd cost a lot is because they ARE going to make the playoffs and they'll need him. So, in order to pry him away, you'd have to give a MASSIVE overpayment.

I don't disagree with that idea, but I think you factor in how contract talks are going with Green as well. The package they'll receive for him now is going to be much better than what they'll get for his rights just before July 1st. I guess it depends on how MacLellan views the Caps' chances in the post-season.

I recall Trotz mentioning that they wanted to get deeper/older up front, as he's not sure about how the kids (Kuznetsov, Burakovsky) will fare in the playoffs. I do think that we've got a bit of a mismatch in terms of what Detroit can offer to them - they've got guys like Carrick, Kundratek and possibly Bowey who could slot into that #6 role next season, so I'm not sure they'd want our defensive prospects.

I fully understand that the scenario isn't ideal for Detroit to acquire him. If they do move him at the deadline, I think the package for Green might be less than people are thinking. It really depends on what teams like Montreal, Anaheim, Los Angeles, etc. are willing to pay. It's basically a pipe dream, but I'm still pretty high on Green.

Edit: I saw that TFP article, but I really think it sounds like conjecture. But yes, his NTC could knock his value down, for sure.

Double Edit: Just saw this article, as well. http://www.nicholsonhockey.com/worthreading/2015/2/2/mckenzie-believes-capitals-will-trade-green-before-deadline-canadiens-may-have-interest

Edited February 2, 2015 by Jesusberg

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Speaking of which, Dickie... you would give up Larkin or Mantha, and Ouellet or Sproul, and (another prospect or two...) Athanasiou, and a first round pick for Yandle? Are youf****** kidding me? You're just looking for reactions at this point aren't you? That's insane... I wouldn't give all that up for Weber, let alone Keithf****** Yandle...

Ekman-Larson. For Yandle I'd move a roster D other than Kronwall and a prospect, which one depending on which d was moved. Preferable something like Smith Pulkinnen and a 2nd rounder.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

For the record, I wouldn't want to "overpay" for Green, by any means. I just think he's got elite offensive skills. He's been pretty sheltered this season, so I'm sure that has an impact on how he's looked. Being the #5 guy means you're exposed a lot less.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Holland will never chance it on a guy like green. Way too risky at his price tag coupled with his history.

Can't tell if this is one of your sarcastic comments. When thinking of Weiss, I'm thinking yes. Thinking of Gustavsson, Coliacovo, also...

I wouldn't be that worried about bringing someone in with injury history. Every injury is a call up for a solid D prospect.

Not sure what Green's price tag would be in the offseason. I'm thinking a little less than 6 due to injury concerns and his diminished role. Maybe I'm off thought

[Jesusberg 1,256]

Can't tell if this is one of your sarcastic comments. When thinking of Weiss, I'm thinking yes. Thinking of Gustavsson, Coliacovo, also...

I wouldn't be that worried about bringing someone in with injury history. Every injury is a call up for a solid D prospect.

Not sure what Green's price tag would be in the offseason. I'm thinking a little less than 6 due to injury concerns and his diminished role. Maybe I'm off thought

I think his diminished role has more to do with the Caps acquiring Orpik and Niskanen - he could definitely play a bigger role, IMO. I think considering when he signed his deal, and how thin the market is for guys like him, he'll definitely get 6+. My biggest concern with him would be the term (health concerns, prospects coming up, etc.). I would definitely be more comfortable paying more for a shorter term deal.

[Dabura 12,207]

My biggest issue with waiting one more year is that the planets really seem to be aligning for us this season. Zetterberg's having an absolute best-case scenario campaign, and the same can probably be said of Datsyuk. (If Datsyuk or Zetterberg starts to falter, we're not winning the Cup. Unless we add a top-end centerman.) Howard's been great, and we've basically been able to spot him a few weeks of rest without it impacting our place in the standings. Special teams, shot suppression, puck possession - our underlying numbers are really damn good for a team that doesn't have any prime-years all-star studs. The East, again, is as wide open as it's ever going to be, and we're right there at the top. This might be (but likely isn't) Babcock's last go-around with the Wings. Maybe most importantly, Babcock and Holland have pretty much come out and said that this team is a year or more ahead of schedule - so whatever The Plan was in the fall, it's safe to say it's changed, or has at least been accelerated.

If we add a top-three defenseman, one who can move the puck and put up points and play big minutes, we're as good as any team in the East. If The Right Deal presents itself, Holland should go for it. Strike while the iron is hot. If The Right Deal doesn't present itself...well, I'll be highly skeptical. But I'm used to trade deadline disappointment. Que sera, sera.

Edited February 3, 2015 by Dabura

[Dabura 12,207]

I think Green gets traded. And, as these things usually go, everyone whose team didn't land him will say, "Really? A couple prospects no one's ever heard of? That's it? Huh. Oh well, we didn't need him anyway. He's a LOCKER ROOM CANCER."

[Jesusberg 1,256]

I think Green gets traded. And, as these things usually go, everyone whose team didn't land him will say, "Really? A couple prospects no one's ever heard of? That's it? Huh. Oh well, we didn't need him anyway. He's a LOCKER ROOM CANCER."

Seriously. When you look at guys moved in recent years, it's generally been a pick or two (2nd, 3rd) and a mid-level prospect. These trade situations are usually speculated to have these insane packages involved for rentals, and they actually amount to being two or three smaller pieces. I wouldn't be that shocked if Green could be had for a 2nd, conditional 4th and one of our decent prospects. Maybe not even the conditional pick (would be based on him re-signing).

[Bannedforlife 403]

This is what I would do at the deadline if I were Holland:

ARZ: Larkin, Smith, Natasiuk, 2016 1st

DET: Ekman-Larsson

WAS: Kindl (retain 50% of salary), Frk, 2015 2nd, conditional 2016 3rd

DET: Green

This is what I would do in the playoffs if I were Babcock:

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader

Weiss - Datsyuk - Tatar

Helm - Sheahan - Pulkkinen

Miller - Glendening - Franzen

Jurco, Andersson, Callahan, Cleary

Kronwall - Ekman-Larsson

DeKeyser - Quincey

Ouellet - Green

Ericsson, Marchenko, Jensen

This is what I would do at the draft if I were Holland:

EDM/BUF/CAR/ARI/NJ: Helm, Ericsson, Ferraro, 2015 1st, 2016 2nd, 2017 2nd

DET: 5th overall pick (Strome)

SJS: Nyquist, Jensen, 2017 1st

DET: Burns

This is what I would do to start next season if I were Babcock:

Abdelkader - Zetterberg - Burns

Weiss - Datsyuk - Tatar

Jurco - Sheahan - Pulkkinen

Miller - Glendening - Franzen

Andersson, Callahan

Kronwall - Ekman-Larsson

DeKeyser - Quincey

Ouellet - Green

Marchenko

Hopefully we could roll something like this in 5 years:

Mantha - Strome - Burns

Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco

Zetterberg - Athanasiou - Pulkkinen

Abdelkader - Glendening - Callahan

Miller

Ekman-Larsson - DeKeyser

Ouellet - Sproul

Kronwall - Marchenko

Mrazek

Howard

[rick zombo 3,739]

This is what I would do at the deadline if I were Holland:

ARZ: Larkin, Smith, Natasiuk, 2016 1st

DET: Ekman-Larsson

WAS: Kindl (retain 50% of salary), Frk, 2015 2nd, conditional 2016 3rd

DET: Green

This is what I would do in the playoffs if I were Babcock:

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader

Weiss - Datsyuk - Tatar

Helm - Sheahan - Pulkkinen

Miller - Glendening - Franzen

Jurco, Andersson, Callahan, Cleary

Kronwall - Ekman-Larsson

DeKeyser - Quincey

Ouellet - Green

Ericsson, Marchenko, Jensen

This is what I would do at the draft if I were Holland:

EDM/BUF/CAR/ARI/NJ: Helm, Ericsson, Ferraro, 2015 1st, 2016 2nd, 2017 2nd

DET: 5th overall pick (Strome)

SJS: Nyquist, Jensen, 2017 1st

DET: Burns

This is what I would do to start next season if I were Babcock:

Abdelkader - Zetterberg - Burns

Weiss - Datsyuk - Tatar

Jurco - Sheahan - Pulkkinen

Miller - Glendening - Franzen

Andersson, Callahan

Kronwall - Ekman-Larsson

DeKeyser - Quincey

Ouellet - Green

Marchenko

Hopefully we could roll something like this in 5 years:

Mantha - Strome - Burns

Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco

Zetterberg - Athanasiou - Pulkkinen

Abdelkader - Glendening - Callahan

Miller

Ekman-Larsson - DeKeyser

Ouellet - Sproul

Kronwall - Marchenko

Mrazek

Howard

You left out the part where you start dating Emilia Clarke after beating Mayweather for the heavy weight title.

[e_prime 1,936]

You left out the part where you start dating Emilia Clarke after beating Mayweather for the heavy weight title.

He was too busy beating up Brock Lesnar while eating a $5 Hot and Ready Pizza.

Edited February 2, 2015 by e_prime

[kipwinger 8,524]

He was too busy beating up Brock Lesnar while eating a $5 Hot and Ready Pizza.

And then fornicating with Danica Patrick on the back of a dune buggy.

[Bannedforlife 403]

You left out the part where you start dating Emilia Clarke after beating Mayweather for the heavy weight title.

That'd be really hard to do because Mayweather is only 5'8" and has never fought above light middleweight. Now who looks stupid?

And then fornicating with Danica Patrick on the back of a dune buggy.

Already did that.

He was too busy beating up Brock Lesnar while eating a $5 Hot and Ready Pizza.

Pizza makes me gassy. No thanks.

[kipwinger 8,524]

That'd be really hard to do because Mayweather is only 5'8" and has never fought above light middleweight. Now who looks stupid?

Already did that.

Pizza makes me gassy. No thanks.

Well played.

[number9 3,297]

Can't tell if this is one of your sarcastic comments. When thinking of Weiss, I'm thinking yes. Thinking of Gustavsson, Coliacovo, also...

I wouldn't be that worried about bringing someone in with injury history. Every injury is a call up for a solid D prospect.

Not sure what Green's price tag would be in the offseason. I'm thinking a little less than 6 due to injury concerns and his diminished role. Maybe I'm off thought

Monster and Weiss didn't have a terrible injury rep when we signed them. Colo was a last minute signing that made a fraction of what Green will get. Signing Green is risky bc of his terrible history and and price tag. I don't see it happening.

[Bannedforlife 403]

Well played.

Thanks. Needless to say, I've had better.

[Euro_Twins 4,476]

Monster and Weiss didn't have a terrible injury rep when we signed them. Colo was a last minute signing that made a fraction of what Green will get. Signing Green is risky bc of his terrible history and and price tag. I don't see it happening.

Monster did

[number9 3,297]

Monster did

He's also a backup that only needs to be around 20-30 games a year, if that with a workhorse like Howard. And like Colo is a much smaller cap percentage than green would be.

You can't compare a guy like that to Green.

[wings4thecup06 504]

e_prime, this coming offseason will not be anything like the past few, in which we still attracted a few of the top UFA's. You can't compare this team two years ago when everyone was counting us out, saying that the Red Wings are finally going to miss the playoffs (just barely squeaking in), to a team that can potentially finish top in the East, and make a decent run. Like I've said time and time again, players take notice to what goes on around the league, and they definitely see a young, talented team with a bright future. This team has made the playoffs for 23 straight years and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. There's no reason to think we will not be a main attraction for UFA's going forward. I think we have a real shot at Franson, and that's the player I would try to go after...

This coming offseason, after re-signing Smith, we'll have Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Smith, Quincey and Kindl. Lashoff has been waived and cleared, he will not be on the roster next season, either in Grand Rapids or with another club. Kindl will most likely get waived as well if there are no takers on the trade market. That leaves us with 5 defenseman on our NHL roster, allowing us to sign Franson to a contract and either sign another vet to have as our number 7 or continue to use Lashoff in that spot, or have one of the kids up on a rotation (doubtful). Yeah, I want to see the kids up as much as anyone, but while they all still have waiver exemption, they are most likely to stay down there, unless we do happen to strike out on free agency. Holland will always choose a veteran over a kid when they have waiver exemption, especially if he has the opportunity to add a player of Franson's caliber without giving up assets.

There are a few forward prospects that I feel we should hold on to but the only defense prospect that is off limits for me, is Sproul. I'm glad you're admitting that you just want a trade for the sake of a trade because a lot of the trade proposals that are being thrown around are ridiculous, and will hamper us for years to come...

Speaking of which, Dickie... you would give up Larkin or Mantha, and Ouellet or Sproul, and (another prospect or two...) Athanasiou, and a first round pick for Yandle? Are youf****** kidding me? You're just looking for reactions at this point aren't you? That's insane... I wouldn't give all that up for Weber, let alone Keithf****** Yandle...

To be honest, I don't see how they don't give Ouellet a spot on the backend next year. There's no way they can't, not given how he's played. Kindl has to be gone, or at least waived, because Babs is using XO over him at every opportunity. If you ask me, they only way X isn't on the roster next year is because he gets traded.

Personally, I'd prefer KH to stand pat at the deadline right now, promote Ouellet full time, and probably do just that in the offseason in the backend. If 1 or 2 kids are actually ready right now, I don't see why we don't just put them in full time on the backend, save our selves some cap space, and allow further development from DeKeyser and Smith to bolster our D from within.

Now go ahead and shoot me for being too conservative

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

To be honest, I don't see how they don't give Ouellet a spot on the backend next year. There's no way they can't, not given how he's played. Kindl has to be gone, or at least waived, because Babs is using XO over him at every opportunity. If you ask me, they only way X isn't on the roster next year is because he gets traded.

Personally, I'd prefer KH to stand pat at the deadline right now, promote Ouellet full time, and probably do just that in the offseason in the backend. If 1 or 2 kids are actually ready right now, I don't see why we don't just put them in full time on the backend, save our selves some cap space, and allow further development from DeKeyser and Smith to bolster our D from within.

Now go ahead and shoot me for being too conservative

I'd be completely fine with trading Ericsson in the off season to do this.

Put smith with Kronwall, the Dairy queen pair stays together(deke&Quincey)

Then oulette- Marchy.

Jensen rotating in.