Nyquist Files For Arbitration

[LeftWinger 5,131]

plus you still need to sign Jensen and I believe Callahan...

[number9 3,297]

plus you still need to sign Jensen and I believe Callahan...

They're not going to get anything significant

[Buppy 1,720]

They're not going to get anything significant

And more importantly won't be playing for the Wings and so won't affect our cap.

[Rivalred 630]

I bet a trade will be happening

[kickazz 5,459]

Hmm.. Maybe 4 mill 4 years sounds like a good deal on both ends. It would be another thing if his playoff performance was just as good as his season. 4 million imo is fair.

If Nyquist continues to perform well he cud get on the upwards of 7 or 8 mill down the road after this contract. To me, the whole Saad debacle was Columbus continuing to show why they suck as an organization.

Edited July 6, 2015 by kickazz

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

Adam Henrique is a much better comparable.

Although I don't know his body weight so maybe I'm wrong lol

[Vladinator16 236]

Lol at people saying 3 or 3.5 million, no way he gets anything under 4.5. Back to back near 30 goal seasons and back to back to back seasons of being one of the teams top scorers he's well worth 4.5+. We're lucky he's an RFA and not a UFA because there are teams out there that would offer 5+ easy.

Everyone in this thread has come to accustomed to Kenny and his lowball "market value" offers, fact is good players get paid and Goose is a good player.

Saad, age 22, 23G 29A 52 PTS - 6M

O'Rielly, age 24, 17G 38A 55 PTS - 7.5M

Kadri, age 24, 18G 21A 39 PTS - 4.1M

Nyquist, age 25 27G 27A 54 PTS- ???

O'Rielly and Saad being comparable to Gooses productivity and Kadri being slightly below Gooses productivity (Kadri's never scored more than 20) it's easy to say goose is a 4.5M+ player.

If you had to go to Free Agency to replace Gooses productivity it's going to cost 5 Million plus for a near 30 goal 50+ points scorer.

Edited July 6, 2015 by Vladinator16

[SwedeLundin77 460]

Nyquist will get pretty much the same deal Tatar got. He will sign a 2-3 year contract averaging around 3 million per and when he becomes a UFA, he'll sign a 7 year 6 million type contract. You read it here first.

Oh, and he's not going to get to arbitration for any nut-bags who think that's even remotely possible. Look at the Wings track-record on that for proof.

[kliq 3,763]

Nyquist will get pretty much the same deal Tatar got. He will sign a 2-3 year contract averaging around 3 million per and when he becomes a UFA, he'll sign a 7 year 6 million type contract. You read it here first.

Oh, and he's not going to get to arbitration for any nut-bags who think that's even remotely possible. Look at the Wings track-record on that for proof.

There is no way he gets the same deal as Tatar. Tatar had basically 1 season under his belt where he got 39 points in in 73 games. Nyquist got 48 points in 57 games 2 years ago, and 54 points in 82 games last year. Not the same.

[Son of a Wing 1,644]

4.6-5.2m for 4-6 years.

[kickazz 5,459]

4 MILL 2 YEARS

Edit- shorter term due to UFA status in future along with end of Datsyuk contract

Edited July 6, 2015 by kickazz

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

I bet a trade will be happening

With Nyquist involved? No way.

4 MILL 4 YEARS

Is this a signing, or a hope?

[Rivalred 630]

With Nyquist involved? No way.

Is this a signing, or a hope?

Not with him involved, meant to make room if cash is needed

[kickazz 5,459]

Is this a signing, or a hope?

Can be both

[dragonballgtz 273]

Any contract going longer than 2 years and less than $5M would be a shock to me.

[Helmethead 235]

I'm expecting around 4.5 AAV.

[frankgrimes 1,836]

Lol at people saying 3 or 3.5 million, no way he gets anything under 4.5. Back to back near 30 goal seasons and back to back to back seasons of being one of the teams top scorers he's well worth 4.5+. We're lucky he's an RFA and not a UFA because there are teams out there that would offer 5+ easy.

Everyone in this thread has come to accustomed to Kenny and his lowball "market value" offers, fact is good players get paid and Goose is a good player.

Saad, age 22, 23G 29A 52 PTS - 6M

O'Rielly, age 24, 17G 38A 55 PTS - 7.5M

Kadri, age 24, 18G 21A 39 PTS - 4.1M

Nyquist, age 25 27G 27A 54 PTS- ???

O'Rielly and Saad being comparable to Gooses productivity and Kadri being slightly below Gooses productivity (Kadri's never scored more than 20) it's easy to say goose is a 4.5M+ player.

If you had to go to Free Agency to replace Gooses productivity it's going to cost 5 Million plus for a near 30 goal 50+ points scorer.

That's the point I'm trying to make the comparables are all there and if he would be an UFA, some team would pay him more. Yes, he isn't but if this goes to arbitration the award will be a lot higher than most of the offers here.

[FlashyG 1,799]

The mistake many making here is assuming that this case even gets before an arbitrator.

Neither side wants that, no player wants to hear his employer explain all his shortcomings in an effort to cut his salary. Nyquist has excellent regular season production but he'd be roasted on his awful playoff numbers to this point. Still I think he'd get a better offer by going to arbitration than what I think he's going to sign before it gets there.

I expect him to take a deal in the 3.75 to 4.25 million range, similar to Kadri's but perhaps a little longer.

[FifeHockeyNut 57]

2 years circa $4m, Datsyuk's contract is up then, cap will be up. Give him a 'show me' contract.

[MasterPavel 115]

The mistake many making here is assuming that this case even gets before an arbitrator.

Neither side wants that, no player wants to hear his employer explain all his shortcomings in an effort to cut his salary. Nyquist has excellent regular season production but he'd be roasted on his awful playoff numbers to this point. Still I think he'd get a better offer by going to arbitration than what I think he's going to sign before it gets there.

I expect him to take a deal in the 3.75 to 4.25 million range, similar to Kadri's but perhaps a little longer.

You're exactly right. This has very little potential to make it to arbitration. I present cases periodically before outside arbitrators, and if people think divorce hearings get ugly employer arbitration is a whole different animal.

[LidstromIsASuperhero 29]

I would personally like to thank crap teams who need to grossly overpay sub-elite talent in order to keep them there. Now every player of that calibre can use them as an example at to become grossly overpaid arbitration. Thanks buffalo, Columbus, Ryan O'Reilly, and Brandon saad!

[LeftWinger 5,131]

You have to ask yourself, what would Dats, Z or Kronner get on the open market? Exactly! Either Nyquist wants to stay in Detroit and be a part of this or he wants top market value money around the NHL. None of these 25-30 goals scorers are "worth" $5M+, yet because of the cap floor and desperate teams to "win" signing sweepstakes, these non superstar players are garnering contracts that are unearned.

Nyquist is not worth $5M-$6M especially not on this team. I am sick of players having a couple good years and then getting "paid" and then falling into obscurity. This is the problem with not having to "prove" that you are constant enough to earn that kind of money. IMO, Nyquist should get a two year deal between $3M-$3.5M to prove he is a consistent 30 goal scorer and even prove he can be in that elite status like Dats and Z, then after 2 years, give him Z and D money (or more.)

I'd hate to lose him, but with the contracts due up next season, and even "better" prospects set to come up within the next few seasons, $6M right now would seriously handcuff this team...seriously. Lets say Nyquist gets awarded $5.5M and goes on to score 30 goals for the next 2 seasons, fine, but also Tatar scores 30 the next two seasons again, then what? Obviously Tatar will garner $6M+ right? He outscored Nyquist already last season, there is no reason to believe that he won't also continue to play just as well. What if when Pulk re-signs a small contract this year for 2 years and he scores 25-30 also? $6M?

I understand Nyquist is good, and he should be one of the next leaders of this team after Pav and Z, BUT, lets come together on a nice bridge deal that gives you a HUGE raise from $1.05M last season to $3.5M for the next two years. Prove to the team that you are consistent enough to get superstar money. Plus help the team out by taking less to be part of it, don't be "that" player who milks the market and then never performs up to the contract expectation, like a ton of players do in this league. Besides, with the likes of Quincey being gone soon, Franzen going the way of Pronger, most likely Howard being traded before his contract expires, there will more money available within 2 years and the team won't be handcuffed or forced to trade or waive players that they really want to keep.

re: Jensen and Callahan, they both have to get signed, sure the cap hit will be minimal, probably less that $1.75M combined, but Callahan is out of waiver exemptions and WILL count against the cap until he clears waivers. It's very little, but it all adds up.

I know the market calls for it, and if you compare other players to Nyquist, $5M-$6M is market value, I just hope that Nyquist would prefer to take a little less for a couple of seasons to allow this team to be the best it can be. Nyquist is good, but good enough on his own to lose the likes of Tatar, Pulkkinen or the next 50 point scorer just so we can pay him $6M right now. But, when it comes to this type of situation, logic never wins. He may very well get $6M in SA, or even $4.5M from Holland, but guarantee if he does, you can kiss a couple of our prized prospects goodbye when they are RFA's because of cap issues. Then we will be stuck with another "choice" to make...and Tatar is better than Nyquist, so you'd know my choice.

[kickazz 5,459]

You have to ask yourself, what would Dats, Z or Kronner get on the open market? Exactly! Either Nyquist wants to stay in Detroit and be a part of this or he wants top market value money around the NHL. None of these 25-30 goals scorers are "worth" $5M+, yet because of the cap floor and desperate teams to "win" signing sweepstakes, these non superstar players are garnering contracts that are unearned.

Nyquist is not worth $5M-$6M especially not on this team. I am sick of players having a couple good years and then getting "paid" and then falling into obscurity. This is the problem with not having to "prove" that you are constant enough to earn that kind of money. IMO, Nyquist should get a two year deal between $3M-$3.5M to prove he is a consistent 30 goal scorer and even prove he can be in that elite status like Dats and Z, then after 2 years, give him Z and D money (or more.)

I'd hate to lose him, but with the contracts due up next season, and even "better" prospects set to come up within the next few seasons, $6M right now would seriously handcuff this team...seriously. Lets say Nyquist gets awarded $5.5M and goes on to score 30 goals for the next 2 seasons, fine, but also Tatar scores 30 the next two seasons again, then what? Obviously Tatar will garner $6M+ right? He outscored Nyquist already last season, there is no reason to believe that he won't also continue to play just as well. What if when Pulk re-signs a small contract this year for 2 years and he scores 25-30 also? $6M?

I understand Nyquist is good, and he should be one of the next leaders of this team after Pav and Z, BUT, lets come together on a nice bridge deal that gives you a HUGE raise from $1.05M last season to $3.5M for the next two years. Prove to the team that you are consistent enough to get superstar money. Plus help the team out by taking less to be part of it, don't be "that" player who milks the market and then never performs up to the contract expectation, like a ton of players do in this league. Besides, with the likes of Quincey being gone soon, Franzen going the way of Pronger, most likely Howard being traded before his contract expires, there will more money available within 2 years and the team won't be handcuffed or forced to trade or waive players that they really want to keep.

re: Jensen and Callahan, they both have to get signed, sure the cap hit will be minimal, probably less that $1.75M combined, but Callahan is out of waiver exemptions and WILL count against the cap until he clears waivers. It's very little, but it all adds up.

I know the market calls for it, and if you compare other players to Nyquist, $5M-$6M is market value, I just hope that Nyquist would prefer to take a little less for a couple of seasons to allow this team to be the best it can be. Nyquist is good, but good enough on his own to lose the likes of Tatar, Pulkkinen or the next 50 point scorer just so we can pay him $6M right now. But, when it comes to this type of situation, logic never wins. He may very well get $6M in SA, or even $4.5M from Holland, but guarantee if he does, you can kiss a couple of our prized prospects goodbye when they are RFA's because of cap issues. Then we will be stuck with another "choice" to make...and Tatar is better than Nyquist, so you'd know my choice.

He's not. That's fan bias. Historical stats show otherwise.

Nyquist won't get 6 million.

Edited July 6, 2015 by kickazz

[Helmethead 235]

I ask myself many things. Asking myself if Hanks next contract will be a problem is not one of them. Kenny will give him a long term deal worth more than he is right now. But in 2 years time it will look like a bargain. He did the same with Dats,Z and Kronwall.

[LeftWinger 5,131]

in 13-14 Nyquist had 48 points and was a +16, Tatar had 39 points and was a +12

in 14-15 Nyquist had 54 points and was a -11, Tatar had 56 points and was a +6

In the playoffs last season, Gus had 2 points, Tats had 4.

They are pretty even stats-wise, so statistical history doesn't prove anything otherwise. Tatar is more of a sniper than Nyquist. Nyquist will be more like Z and Tatar will be a Hossa type player. I just hope that we aren't forced into choosing one or the other. So lets hope Nyquist agrees to a nice cap-friendly contract.