Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

[DickieDunn 2,571]

How many years were Maltby, Draper, and McCarty here? All made good money and all had long term contracts.

His grandfather-mothers side played for the RW's.

1) they didn't get $4.25 a year for 7 years.

2) that was pre cap

[kickazz 5,459]

Pavel Datsyuk Verified account ‏@Datsyuk13

Congrats to @justinabss on the new 7 year contract. I hope u look forward pulling the piano starting tomorrow

https://twitter.com/Datsyuk13/status/664974574262571008

#13 is happy

Hahahah that's hilarious. And you know that's Datsyuk tweeting too rather than his agent because of the bad grammar.

[wingfan1991 221]

7 years way too much for him!!

[UpstateNYRedWingsFan 42]

Interesting to note that Holmstrom didn't have as many points as Abby did last year until he was 31

[kliq 3,763]

First Miller (you're wrong) and now this (you're right). You enjoy putting a target on your back, Bill. Get ready to duck.

I agree with your assessment of Holland. His success is the product of the '89 draft, Andersson, Bowman, and Nill.

I find it funny that some people attribute any success Holland has to those around him, however any bad decisions are solely placed on him. Got to love being a GM in the NHL, you will never please everyone.

As far as the '89 draft goes, yes it gave the Wings Vladdy, Lidstrom, and Fedorov, and yes of course it was a big part in the future success of the franchise, but only 2 of them were there in 1998 and 2002, and one in 2008 (well I guess 2 if you count Drake lol). To say all of his success is based on that draft is just wrong.

Using that logic to dismiss Holland's part in the 2008 cup win could pretty much dismiss every GM's part in any cup win ever as most teams have a player that is good that was there before the GM got there.

[kickazz 5,459]

Z will end up scoring like 70+ points this year and his cap hit is only 6 million.

Holland did well with that one. Same with the Datsyuk and Franzen deals.

Althought Franzens deal would have looked great if he actually played

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

First Miller (you're wrong) and now this (you're right). You enjoy putting a target on your back, Bill. Get ready to duck.

I agree with your assessment of Holland. His success is the product of the '89 draft, Andersson, Bowman, and Nill.

Nill passed on drafting Larkin and chose Julius Honka. Honka could be really good too, but so far Holland's winning vs. Nill in drafting since he left because of this decision.

The argument that Holland's success was due to others is one that can't be proven or disproven. There's no way that you know what happened behind closed doors so making that statement is just based on biased rather than fact. Think what you want to think.

Z will end up scoring like 70+ points this year and his cap hit is only 6 million.

Holland did well with that one. Same with the Datsyuk and Franzen deals.

Althought Franzens deal would have looked great if he actually played

No. Nill negotiated the Z deal and Datsyuk made his own deal because he's magic. Holland is responsible for Franzen's deal because people hate that guy.

[kickazz 5,459]

No. Nill negotiated the Z deal and Datsyuk made his own deal because he's magic. Holland is responsible for Franzen's deal because people hate that guy.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or serious lol. Because it could be likely that Nill really had a say for the Z deal and I didn't know about that.

Edited November 13, 2015 by kickazz

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or serious lol. Because it could be likely that Nill really had a say for the Z deal and I didn't know about that.

Yeah, not serious - sarcasm should have its own font or be italicized or something like that. I was just satirizing how some people give blame to Holland for every bad move and every good move is due to someone else in the organization.

Edited November 13, 2015 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[rick zombo 3,739]

Holland > Nill > Yzerman

[kickazz 5,459]

Yeah, not serious - sarcasm should have its own font or be italicized or something like that. I was just satirizing how some people give blame to Holland for every bad move and every good move is due to someone else in the organization.

I figured hah, double shift today unfortunately, loooong day.

Holland > Nill > Yzerman

no no its.

Shanahan > Holland > Nill > Yzerman

Shanahan landed Babcock (while he was acting GM as president before Lou came). That was the deal of all deals. Holland couldn't even hang on to the greatest coach in all of hockey. Psh.

[NerveDamage 4,176]

I will make a LGW wager that Abby scores at least 15 goals this season

well...He's almost a third of the way there.

Edited November 13, 2015 by NerveDamage

[DickieDunn 2,571]

I can't believe anyone could think this was anything but a bad deal. At best he's not too far declined at the end to make it horrible.

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Bowman leaving to go to Chicago and winning 3 cups with a team that hadnt won since WW2 whilst Holland has missed on every good UFA, continually signs bad contracts, trades prospects for crappy rentals that dont help, and doesnt play or trade players at the right time (notice how we are the ONLY team in pro sports that over-ripens) as the Red Wings get bounced early every year isnt enough to make you change your opinion or at least scratch your head and rethink it??

Over ripening is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. If you cant tell when your player is ripe, get a new job.

[Jacksoni 418]

Price is right. Too long, way too long of a contract. 5 years max. He will be a shadow of himself the last years.

[amato 3,210]

I think he could score around 20ish for another few years if he's paired with Hank. He's just going thru a slump at the moment.

Still on pace for just over over 20 goals & just under 40 points

But in all seriousness, I agree. And he'll be out of said slump sooner rather than later imo. Especially with pav coming back.

Also, the contract negotiations may have been weighing on his mind a little bit.. glad he got that potential distraction out of the way early in the season.

[Mckinley25 679]

Bowman leaving to go to Chicago and winning 3 cups with a team that hadnt won since WW2 whilst Holland has missed on every good UFA, continually signs bad contracts, trades prospects for crappy rentals that dont help, and doesnt play or trade players at the right time (notice how we are the ONLY team in pro sports that over-ripens) as the Red Wings get bounced early every year isnt enough to make you change your opinion or at least scratch your head and rethink it??

Over ripening is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. If you cant tell when your player is ripe, get a new job.

There is a correlation between being the only team that "over ripens" and the only team that has made the playoffs for 25 straight years.

You mention Chicago's success, but that was largely built around several bad seasons that allowed them to draft low and snag Kane and Toews.

Detroit could be back in contention if they tanked and had a few NHL ready picks out of the gate, but they've instead competed every year and developed (over ripened) prospects better than any other team.

Detroits biggest downfall, in my opinion, is that they haven't been able to acquire a franchise defenseman with their draft picks. That's easier said than done, but Subban and Weber were 2nd rounders I believe, I just wish we had found one in either Sproul or Oullete.

As far as free agents, there are a lot less of them, and only one team in 30 gets any individual player. The only big names Detroit missed out on (Parise and Suter) had Detroit at number 2, so Holland is at least the 2nd best GM in the league. Though it's not like the Wild have rocketed to elite status since that acquisition.

Edited November 13, 2015 by Mckinley25

[e_prime 1,936]

Price is right. Too long, way too long of a contract. 5 years max. He will be a shadow of himself the last years.

A la Sammy, Draper, Maltby, Cleary, etc... you know, the Holland model.

Except this time around we won't have to agonize about how much Abby will be signing for or for how long each and every off season. Instead, we can continuously ***** about his contract for years to come.

...

Yay?

[sleepwalker 512]

As an Abby fan, I don't really have problem with the average yearly salary amount, but 7 years seems a bit long. Would liked to have seen 5 max.

[kipwinger 8,756]

First Miller (you're wrong) and now this (you're right). You enjoy putting a target on your back, Bill. Get ready to duck.

I agree with your assessment of Holland. His success is the product of the '89 draft, Andersson, Bowman, and Nill.

You know what Ken Holland was doing during the fabled class of 1989 draft? Scouting and drafting them. He was the Director of Amateur Scouting. You know what those other guys where doing for the Wings organization in 1989? Nothing. They didn't work here yet.

If you're going to attribute his success to that class, fine. Give him credit for scouting and drafting them since, ya know, he did that. He's literally the only person you mentioned who had anything at all to do with getting those guys into Red Wings sweaters.

[kipwinger 8,756]

Know what else he did? Hired Hakan Andersson. And Jim Nill. Not Bowman though. He's the responsibility of the other much aligned front office guy, Devellano.

If I'm understanding the argument correctly. A whole bunch of other people made Ken Holland successful. But not him. Despite the fact that he's the one who went out and found all these other people. And somehow that's NOT exactly what a good manager would do.

[joesuffP 1,746]

So if Abby wanted 8 years and Holland wanted 5, would you naysayers have told Abby to walk? I'm not thrilled with the term but I'm happy for Abby that he'll retire a wing. These 4M contracts aren't back breaking even if he does regress badly in his final years. People act like Holland has decided to replace Datsyuk with Abby because of this deal. He's paid like a secondary player

[rick zombo 3,739]

Seriously. The only think I blame Holland for is being in the position where a guy, with a fringe skillset like Abby, gets a deal like this simply because the team is deprived of sizeable power forwardish type players. If Abdlekader played for the Jets or Kings, his agent would have had those teams over less of a barrel.

Edited November 13, 2015 by rick zombo

[kipwinger 8,756]

I don't really think that Abby had Holland over a barrel though. I think the contract is a little long sure. But I don't think Holland had no choice. If he'd have played hardball he surely could have gotten Abby down on term. It's not like Abdelkader wants to play anywhere else. He's "all in" on the Red Wings mythos. I think Holland gave Abby a long term deal because A) he knows and believes that Abby is a future team leader, B) He's doing the hometown kid a solid for putting in an honest effort every single day, C) he's sending a message to future high end players that he'll scratch their backs in the long run if they cut him a break on their bridge contracts.

[joesuffP 1,746]

I don't really think that Abby had Holland over a barrel though. I think the contract is a little long sure. But I don't think Holland had no choice. If he'd have played hardball he surely could have gotten Abby down on term. It's not like Abdelkader wants to play anywhere else. He's "all in" on the Red Wings mythos. I think Holland gave Abby a long term deal because A) he knows and believes that Abby is a future team leader, B) He's doing the hometown kid a solid for putting in an honest effort every single day, C) he's sending a message to future high end players that he'll scratch their backs in the long run if they cut him a break on their bridge contracts.

I agree. This contract sends a great message to all the up and coming hardworking, depth guys. Then Gus contract sends a message to guys like Tats, Sheahan, Pulkinnen... This is just the order of things. These guys deserved to get paid and it was time

Edited November 13, 2015 by joesuffP