Be honest..

[kliq 3,763]

Would you guys consider Abby a power forward?

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

3 minutes ago, kliq said:

Would you guys consider Abby a power forward?

I would. Pretty much the only one on the team. However, I feel like a lot of the production he generates stems from his line mates.

[chaps80 1,591]

Abby is a PF in today's NHL, yes.

 

[chaps80 1,591]

23 hours ago, F.Michael said:

Shanahan, Clark, Roberts, Tocchet, and Neely are my definition of what a power forward should be.

What about early '00's Canucks era Bertuzzi. Guy was a beast.

[kliq 3,763]

When I think of Power Forward, the first two names that come to my head are Keith Tkachuk and Cam Neely for whatever reason.

I think Todd Bertuzzi when he played with Naslund and Morrison was a Power Forward. I havent thought of that line in a long time, that was a damn good line.

I would agree that Abby is one in today's NHL.

[Dabura 12,232]

To me, a power forward is big and highly skilled and difficult to contain/defend against/play against (because of that combination of size and skill). So, for me, it's a broad spectrum. Gordie Howe. Mario Lemieux. Jaromir Jagr. Cam Neely. Clark Gillies. Rick Tocchet. Al Secord. Mark Messier. Eric Lindros. John LeClair. Wendel Clark. Keith Tkachuk. Brendan Shanahan. Sergei Fedorov. Todd Bertuzzi. Eric Staal. Rick Nash. Milan Lucic. Jarome Iginla. Thomas Vanek. Dustin Byfuglien (when he played forward). Brent Burns (when he played forward). Joe Thornton. Alex Ovechkin. Evgeni Malkin. Johan Franzen. Blake Wheeler. Jakub Voracek. Wayne Simmonds. Anze Kopitar. Jeff Carter. Chris Kreider. Jamie Benn. Jack Eichel. Patrick Laine. Anthony Mantha. Et al.

[kliq 3,763]

6 hours ago, F.Michael said:

 

To me - Bertuzzi, and Tkachuk are 'power forward lite' - as in neither dropped the gloves that often.

The guys I mentioned n a different post above were more than willing to get their noses bloodied.

To me fighting is just a small factor. Sure you want a PF to be willing to drop the gloves if he needs to, but its not essential. Outside of '88 and '92 Shanahan didn't fight that much (maybe 2-5 times a year)  and I consider him a power forward.

http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/279

[kickazz 5,459]

3 hours ago, Dabura said:

To me, a power forward is big and highly skilled and difficult to contain/defend against/play against (because of that combination of size and skill). So, for me, it's a broad spectrum. Gordie Howe. Mario Lemieux. Jaromir Jagr. Cam Neely. Clark Gillies. Rick Tocchet. Al Secord. Mark Messier. Eric Lindros. John LeClair. Wendel Clark. Keith Tkachuk. Brendan Shanahan. Sergei Fedorov. Todd Bertuzzi. Eric Staal. Rick Nash. Milan Lucic. Jarome Iginla. Thomas Vanek. Dustin Byfuglien (when he played forward). Brent Burns (when he played forward). Joe Thornton. Alex Ovechkin. Evgeni Malkin. Johan Franzen. Blake Wheeler. Jakub Voracek. Wayne Simmonds. Anze Kopitar. Jeff Carter. Chris Kreider. Jamie Benn. Jack Eichel. Patrick Laine. Anthony Mantha. Et al.

I agree with your definition but I would also add that there are other elements to it, such as that of creating space by using their actual size. If you add that into the definition then guys like Eichel, Franzen, Kopitar, Mantha, Malkin, Vanek would all drop out. These guys are big but didn't really use their body to their advantage as the others did. 

Abdelkader is probably more of a power forward than Franzen was.While he's not as skilled of a scorer as Franzen, he's better at doing everything else in the definition. He's hard to defend, he creates a lot of space, and he drives the net.

I mean just look at the phrase "power forward". The word "power" is there for a reason. 

Maybe it's more of a spectrum. One side of the spectrum has skill, the other side has power. I'd say Franzen falls towards the skill side and someone like Abdelkader falls towards the power side. Shanahan and Lindros would likely be rated high on both ends of the spectrum because they were THAT GOOD. 

656 goals for Shanny and like 2500 PIM for fighting, making brutal hits, driving Patrick Roy insane. Decking people  for messing with Yzerman. All around skilled powerforward. 

Edited December 3, 2016 by kickazz

[frankgrimes 1,836]

when I'm thinking of current power forwards it's players like Jamie Benn, David Backes and of course Loooch

Guys that can do it all score, hit, fight and create space for other players

[kickazz 5,459]

I have to agree with Frank on this one. I just google searched "Power Forward" in ice hockey. And this is what Wikipedia says:

In ice hockey, power forward (PF) is a loosely applied characterization of a forward who is big and strong, equally capable of playing physically or scoring goals and would most likely have high totals in both points and penalties.

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^ Looking at that, players that come into mind were Lindros, Shanahan, Howe, Tkatchuck, Bertuzzi, Lucic, Byfuglien, Thornton, Wheeler, Simmonds and Benn. This is just off the top of my head. 

I would not include, Franzen, Mantha in that definition. Because neither of them play/played physical games. They could be under the "power foward" group but they wouldn't be high on that list. I'd probably put Ovechkin above both because that guy can hit hard but he would much rather sit on the left side of the dot and take insane shots. 

Edited December 3, 2016 by kickazz

[kylee 727]

Jamie Benn is the top PF in the game to me. Over PPG, captain, can do it all. He reminds me very much of a prime Shanahan 

[Dabura 12,232]

42 minutes ago, kickazz said:

I agree with your definition but I would also add that there are other elements to it, such as that of creating space by using their actual size. If you add that into the definition then guys like Eichel, Franzen, Kopitar, Mantha, Malkin, Vanek would all drop out. These guys are big but didn't really use their body to their advantage as the others did.

I would argue that all of those players use(d) their size to their advantage. Like, Mantha doesn't throw his weight around aggressively, but we've seen him use his size to protect the puck, drive to the net, outmuscle smaller players, intercept the opposition's pass attempts with his long reach, etc.

[kickazz 5,459]

Mantha's reach is his biggest advantage and I agree, he definitely knows it and uses it. 

[chaps80 1,591]

16 hours ago, F.Michael said:

 

To me - Bertuzzi, and Tkachuk are 'power forward lite' - as in neither dropped the gloves that often.

The guys I mentioned n a different post above were more than willing to get their noses bloodied.

Bertuzzi steamrolled anything in his path (Until Moore, then he played like he was scared to touch anyone for fear that they'd get hurt. That s*** messed him right up). He could fight if he had to, but no one messed with him anyways, so he never had to.

I saw him at a beer store here in Sudbury one summer. Dude is MASSIVE.

5 hours ago, Dabura said:

I would argue that all of those players use(d) their size to their advantage. Like, Mantha doesn't throw his weight around aggressively, but we've seen him use his size to protect the puck, drive to the net, outmuscle smaller players, intercept the opposition's pass attempts with his long reach, etc.

Agreed. Vanek uses his size all the time in his game. Mantha as well.

Edited December 4, 2016 by chaps80

[kickazz 5,459]

Yeah Bertuzzi def got psychologically screwed after that whole incident 

Edited December 4, 2016 by kickazz

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

3 hours ago, chaps80 said:

Bertuzzi steamrolled anything in his path (Until Moore, then he played like he was scared to touch anyone for fear that they'd get hurt. That s*** messed him right up). He could fight if he had to, but no one messed with him anyways, so he never had to.

I saw him at a beer store here in Sudbury one summer. Dude is MASSIVE.

Agreed. Vanek uses his size all the time in his game. Mantha as well.

I met Abby at U of M hospital 2 years ago. I remember being amazed at how yoked he was. Definately a PF. Ericsson was with him and looked like a string bean next to the guy.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Bert didn't fight because nobody wanted a part of him. There were lots of times people started acting tough until he got close, then they stfu.

[LeftWinger 5,130]

Bertuzzi was on steroids back then and when he raged out and practically killed someone, he stopped and was never the same player. But for his health and life, it was for the better.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

28 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Bertuzzi was on steroids back then and when he raged out and practically killed someone, he stopped and was never the same player. But for his health and life, it was for the better.

Wasn't better for Steve Moore's health and life.

[kliq 3,763]

36 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Bertuzzi was on steroids back then and when he raged out and practically killed someone, he stopped and was never the same player. But for his health and life, it was for the better.

Your saying this like its fact. Did he admit to this? I dont remember him being suspended or caught.

Or is this just speculation on your part.

[chaps80 1,591]

14 hours ago, DickieDunn said:

Bert didn't fight because nobody wanted a part of him. There were lots of times people started acting tough until he got close, then they stfu.

Exactly. I remember one game with the Wings where he picked a player (forget who) off the ice by his jersey and threw him down like a ragdoll. lol

Edited December 4, 2016 by chaps80

[chaps80 1,591]

47 minutes ago, kliq said:

Your saying this like its fact. Did he admit to this? I dont remember him being suspended or caught.

Or is this just speculation on your part.

I don't think he was. He just trained hard all the time. Growing up in Sudbury i've heard a few stories about him. He was always a huge guy with a mean streak, even growing up. Got in quite a few fights at local bars and such. Not a guy to mess with anyway.

[shocky2002 36]

18 people on this site really really like this team

1 hour ago, kliq said:

Your saying this like its fact. Did he admit to this? I dont remember him being suspended or caught.

Or is this just speculation on your part.

You're the type of person who probably thinks the UFC, MLB, NFL athletes aren't constantly on PEDs. NHL they don't even drug test people.

So naive.

20 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

I don't think he was. He just trained hard all the time. Growing up in Sudbury i've heard a few stories about him. He was always a huge guy with a mean streak, even growing up. Got in quite a few fights at local bars and such. Not a guy to mess with anyway.

I bet you think steroids= get big. Lol. 

[kliq 3,763]

20 minutes ago, shocky2002 said:

18 people on this site really really like this team

You're the type of person who probably thinks the UFC, MLB, NFL athletes aren't constantly on PEDs. NHL they don't even drug test people.

So naive.

I bet you think steroids= get big. Lol. 

Keep trying Bill.

Edited December 5, 2016 by kliq

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

38 minutes ago, shocky2002 said:

18 people on this site really really like this team

You're the type of person who probably thinks the UFC, MLB, NFL athletes aren't constantly on PEDs. NHL they don't even drug test people.

So naive.

I bet you think steroids= get big. Lol. 

Oh yeah well I bet you think cucumbers taste better than pickles (they don't)