Jimmy Howard "Out awhile" - Coreau called up (again).

[kickazz 5,459]

^ I thought Mrazek was Confidence Boy Wonder..?

Edited December 23, 2016 by kickazz

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

23 minutes ago, kickazz said:

^ I thought Mrazek was Confidence Boy Wonder..?

He was but after awhile playing for this team and coach confidence does faulter.

On 12/22/2016 at 1:12 AM, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

We are nothing without Howard. Our last glimmer of hope is gone. Mrazek is a mess, a total waste. Maybe Coreau can do something. 

Oh yeah?  You're too funny.  Jimmy isn't our savior.  We can't score goals.

[puckloo39 5,686]

Hope Coreau is ready for the NHL.  Mraz is a good kid, but he can't handle this team when it cannot score goals.  I assumed when they carried Jimmy off the ice the other night that we would not see him again until February, if then.  Too bad, he was propping the Wings up on a given night.

Line up for tonight, Coreau is starting.  Good.

 

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2016/12/23/14068994/game-day-updates-red-wings-at-panthers-line-combinations-key-matchups

Edited December 23, 2016 by puckloo39

[chaps80 1,591]

15 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Mraz stole the job from jimmy and then quickly gave it right back under playoff pressure. If thats what speaks to you, then lets agree to disagree i guess.

Ah yes, the old "potential" makes unestablished player A the better option than established player B. Tell you what, when Mraz can play an entire season without completely dropping the oppurtunity hes given ill swing to ur side.

Theres where ur wrong bucko. I think blashill is trash, and ur precious golden boi czech goalie is trash too. 

"Ill bet MANY of them" ur probs right. Most have probs flipped after realizing Mraz is garbage. I on the other hand have never left Jimmy's side. He reminds me of Osgood. A wing who did so much, yet so many fans bashed. Shameful.

Did you just compare Howard to the great Osgood with his 401 wins and three cup rings? Hahaha Howard has never done anything of significance in his entire career. 

[chaps80 1,591]

Coreau starting tonight is cool. I missed his game against PIT. Gives Mrazek some more time to get his head straight for what's coming up after the break too. All for it. He will be fine. So many overreact because he came into a game cold and allowed a couple goals that weren't stoppable for any goalie. 

[wings_fanatic 677]

4 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Did you just compare Howard to the great Osgood with his 401 wins and three cup rings? Hahaha Howard has never done anything of significance in his entire career. 

Seriously couldnt agree more. Howard has come in and been average at best. He can be great, he can be horrible. It changes too often and mike babcock clearly never liked having howard. He switched to monster against the bruins in 2014 playoffs and then played petr in the 2015 playoffs. Howard is not even in the same paragraph as ozzy in terms of greatness. In fact howard will never go down for anything.

 

[chaps80 1,591]

4 minutes ago, wings_fanatic said:

Seriously couldnt agree more. Howard has come in and been average at best. He can be great, he can be horrible. It changes too often and mike babcock clearly never liked having howard. He switched to monster against the bruins in 2014 playoffs and then played petr in the 2015 playoffs. Howard is not even in the same paragraph as ozzy in terms of greatness. In fact howard will never go down for anything.

 

Agreed. The most Howard has ever done is "almost" win the Calder, and was like 7th in voting for the Vezina twice. He also lost a playoff series in 7 games after being up 3-1. Clutch.

He's played 5 playoff games the past three seasons, losing the job to Monster, then Mrazek started all 7 the next year, then he lost the job to Mrazek last season. 

Edited December 23, 2016 by chaps80

[Echolalia 2,961]

3 hours ago, Hockeymom1960 said:

He was but after awhile playing for this team and coach confidence does faulter.

The 3+ GAA and sub .900 save percentage can't be good for his confidence level either

[wings_fanatic 677]

40 minutes ago, Echolalia said:

The 3+ GAA and sub .900 save percentage can't be good for his confidence level either

I still blame a ton of that on blashill. Mrazek was fine to start the season and then all of a sudden jimmy got a bunch of starts and blashill just kept going with him. Then jimmy got hurt and mrazek played and got us 8 of 10 points. Since then howard has played mostly and we havent had a very good track record since. And now howard is injured again and blashill sits mrazek again. I cannot believe the clown still has a job.

[Echolalia 2,961]

33 minutes ago, wings_fanatic said:

I still blame a ton of that on blashill. Mrazek was fine to start the season and then all of a sudden jimmy got a bunch of starts and blashill just kept going with him. Then jimmy got hurt and mrazek played and got us 8 of 10 points. Since then howard has played mostly and we havent had a very good track record since. And now howard is injured again and blashill sits mrazek again. I cannot believe the clown still has a job.

He definitely wasn't fine to start the season.  He was classic inconsistent Mrazek.  And while I can't stand Blashill as a coach, I agree with him at least in how he's handled the goalie situation, although Coreau starting tonight is a head scratcher.

[kliq 3,763]

39 minutes ago, wings_fanatic said:

I still blame a ton of that on blashill. Mrazek was fine to start the season and then all of a sudden jimmy got a bunch of starts and blashill just kept going with him. Then jimmy got hurt and mrazek played and got us 8 of 10 points. Since then howard has played mostly and we havent had a very good track record since. And now howard is injured again and blashill sits mrazek again. I cannot believe the clown still has a job.

That's not even true. Here is something I posted in another thread, fits perfect in response to what you said:

Mrazek started the year as the bonafide starter. Mrazek started 4 of our first 5 games but let in 12 goals (ie. played bad). 12 games into the season, Mrazek started in 9 games to Jimmy's 3 which is 75% (more then normal for a starter) and in those games Mrazek continued to not play well in comparison to Jimmy.

Mrazek lost the starting job because Jimmy outplayed him. If he outplays Jimmy, he can get it back.

Blashill has actually been pretty consistent with goalies. I cant blame a coach for playing the clearly better playing goalie when a coaches mandate is to win games.

If you want to bash Blashill for his other dumb moves, go for it. But this is not one of them.

[DickieDunn 2,571]

When Howard is on his game he's a top flight goalie. When he's off his game he's a mediocre AHLer. Since February Mrazek isn't even that good.

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[chaps80 1,591]

3 hours ago, kliq said:

 

Mrazek lost the starting job because Jimmy outplayed him. If he outplays Jimmy, he can get it back.

 

I agree. But this is something that bothered me about how Blash handled Howard's return after injury. Mrazek was solid while Howard was down, then had a bad game in Howard's first one back on the bench. Next game Mrazek was benched in favour of Howard. There was no reason for that move. That next game, Howard was bad and lost 4-1 to the Yotes. So does Blash go back to Mrazek? No, he starts Howard again, and he has another bad game and another 4-1 loss to LA. Then Mrazek gets a win against the Ducks, but is benched next game for Howard again. He's starting to flip flop the goalies like he does the lines every game. No good at all.

[chaps80 1,591]

4 hours ago, Echolalia said:

The 3+ GAA and sub .900 save percentage can't be good for his confidence level either

He's a pretty confident kid. Never looks rattled, even during a really bad game. Rough stretches, even rough seasons, happen to young goalies during their first few seasons at the NHL level. I can't think of many goalies who didn't experience some setbacks early in their careers. Maybe Ken Dryden? lol

[kickazz 5,459]

1 hour ago, chaps80 said:

I agree. But this is something that bothered me about how Blash handled Howard's return after injury. Mrazek was solid while Howard was down, then had a bad game in Howard's first one back on the bench. Next game Mrazek was benched in favour of Howard. There was no reason for that move. That next game, Howard was bad and lost 4-1 to the Yotes. So does Blash go back to Mrazek? No, he starts Howard again, and he has another bad game and another 4-1 loss to LA. Then Mrazek gets a win against the Ducks, but is benched next game for Howard again. He's starting to flip flop the goalies like he does the lines every game. No good at all.

Maybe Mrazek pissed off Blashill behind the scenes. We can't really say. It's pretty weird. 

[chaps80 1,591]

Howard is now expected to be out for 4-6 weeks:

Detroit Red Wings goalie Jimmy Howard will miss 4-6 weeks with a sprained right knee.

An MRI revealed the extent of the injury after Howard was injured in the second period of a 4-1 loss against the Tampa Bay Lightning on Tuesday. Howard was favoring his right leg when he was helped off the ice at 5:39 of the second period following a collision in his crease.

"First of all, really too bad for him," coach Jeff Blashill said Friday after the morning skate at BB&T Center. "It's a tough, tough thing. He really worked hard to put himself in a real good position. He's obviously had an excellent start, so it's hard to then get injured and be out like that."

Howard has a 5-7-1 record with a 1.96 goals-against average and a .934 save percentage in 17 games. He missed six games in late November and early December because of a groin injury.

Goalie Jared Coreau was recalled from Grand Rapids of the American Hockey League on Wednesday when Howard was placed on injured reserve. Coreau will start against the Florida Panthers on Friday.

"He's been injured twice and [it's been] really weird," Blashill said. "This one [was] totally not preventable from his aspect. It's unfortunate. From our aspect, we'll just focus on who we have and we've got guys good enough to get the job done; now we've got to go execute."

9 minutes ago, kickazz said:

Maybe Mrazek pissed off Blashill behind the scenes. We can't really say. It's pretty weird. 

Yes it is. Well, Howard is out for a month to a month and a half, so if they are having disagreements, they'll need to settle them pretty quick.

Edited December 24, 2016 by chaps80

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

7 hours ago, chaps80 said:

Did you just compare Howard to the great Osgood with his 401 wins and three cup rings? Hahaha Howard has never done anything of significance in his entire career. 

Well no duh. 2 entirely different teams in front of them. Both workhorse non flashy goalies thou, that there own fans love to throw under the bus.

[kliq 3,763]

One thing that posters sometimes completely forget about is practice. I'm not trying to make excuses for Blashill as I have gone on record in saying that he has done a bad job here, but I'm sure coaches make decisions based on how guys look in practice. Maybe Mrazek has been looking like s*** while Howard has looked good. Really who knows.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

Howard is literally the only bright spot on this team right now besides maybe Mantha. Zberg and Green carried the load a bit as well too, but how much more can they do?

[DickieDunn 2,571]

Mrazek has allowed 3+ goals in 13 of the 19 games he's played, has a 3.06 GAA, a .899 Save % and people are mad at Blashill for not playing him more than he did before Howard got hurt when Howard has a 1.96 GAA and a .934 Save % and allowed 3+ in 4 of his 16 games.

Mrazek did not start out hot.  In his first 9 games, he allowed 3+ in 6 of them, including 4 goals each in a three game stretch.  In fact, through the end of November he started 12 games and gave up 3+ in 8 of them.  He did have one nice 4 game stretch where he gave up 7 total goals, but then gave up 4 in each of his next 4 starts.  He had another nice 3 game stretch, then his last five games he gave up 3 or 4 every game.

 

Howard has only given up 3+ in back to back games one time, those stinkers against LA and Anaheim.

 

But yes, Mrazek is totally getting a raw deal and Blashill was playing the vet over him just because he hates Petr.

[chaps80 1,591]

5 minutes ago, DickieDunn said:

Mrazek has allowed 3+ goals in 13 of the 19 games he's played, has a 3.06 GAA, a .899 Save % and people are mad at Blashill for not playing him more than he did before Howard got hurt when Howard has a 1.96 GAA and a .934 Save % and allowed 3+ in 4 of his 16 games.

Mrazek did not start out hot.  In his first 9 games, he allowed 3+ in 6 of them, including 4 goals each in a three game stretch.  In fact, through the end of November he started 12 games and gave up 3+ in 8 of them.  He did have one nice 4 game stretch where he gave up 7 total goals, but then gave up 4 in each of his next 4 starts.  He had another nice 3 game stretch, then his last five games he gave up 3 or 4 every game.

 

Howard has only given up 3+ in back to back games one time, those stinkers against LA and Anaheim.

 

But yes, Mrazek is totally getting a raw deal and Blashill was playing the vet over him just because he hates Petr.

Howard has been better, no one argues that. But, When Howard was out, Mrazek was rock solid, playing like he should have been all along. Howard comes back, Mrazek has a bad game, Blash is back to Howard. What's the reasoning for that when Mrazek was the supposed #1 heading into the season? Wouldn't you keep playing him after just one bad game, hoping he recovers and continues playing well? No, because it's Blashill and he likes moving everything around and screwing things up. So Howard loses his next two 4-1, Mrazek wins the next game, but is benched for Howard again. Why? From that sample period, It seems Howard gets every chance to play, and Mrazek gets cut off, even when he's doing well. So ya, you can blame Blash for some of it. If Mrazek isn't starting tomorrow, that validates everything even further. Coreau was not that great last game, zero reason to start him over a guy your paying $4 million for with way more experience and skill.

[Echolalia 2,961]

1 hour ago, chaps80 said:

Howard has been better, no one argues that. But, When Howard was out, Mrazek was rock solid, playing like he should have been all along. Howard comes back, Mrazek has a bad game, Blash is back to Howard. What's the reasoning for that when Mrazek was the supposed #1 heading into the season? Wouldn't you keep playing him after just one bad game, hoping he recovers and continues playing well? No, because it's Blashill and he likes moving everything around and screwing things up. So Howard loses his next two 4-1, Mrazek wins the next game, but is benched for Howard again. Why? From that sample period, It seems Howard gets every chance to play, and Mrazek gets cut off, even when he's doing well. So ya, you can blame Blash for some of it. If Mrazek isn't starting tomorrow, that validates everything even further. Coreau was not that great last game, zero reason to start him over a guy your paying $4 million for with way more experience and skill.

Because Mrazek was no longer the number 1 goalie when Howard went down.  He played when Howard was injured, as per a backup's responsibilities, and then when Howard returned, Blash put his top guy back in to get regular starts.  All routine protocol.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

1 hour ago, chaps80 said:

Howard has been better, no one argues that. But, When Howard was out, Mrazek was rock solid, playing like he should have been all along. Howard comes back, Mrazek has a bad game, Blash is back to Howard. What's the reasoning for that when Mrazek was the supposed #1 heading into the season? Wouldn't you keep playing him after just one bad game, hoping he recovers and continues playing well? No, because it's Blashill and he likes moving everything around and screwing things up. So Howard loses his next two 4-1, Mrazek wins the next game, but is benched for Howard again. Why? From that sample period, It seems Howard gets every chance to play, and Mrazek gets cut off, even when he's doing well. So ya, you can blame Blash for some of it. If Mrazek isn't starting tomorrow, that validates everything even further. Coreau was not that great last game, zero reason to start him over a guy your paying $4 million for with way more experience and skill.

Very complicated response to Dickies simple honest stats. Fact is Mrazek has sucked pretty badly and Howard has been dynamite. Thats it. Heck yeah im riding Howard if im Blash. Hes clearly the better goalie.

[chaps80 1,591]

Just now, Echolalia said:

Because Mrazek was no longer the number 1 goalie when Howard went down.  He played when Howard was injured, as per a backup's responsibilities, and then when Howard returned, Blash put his top guy back in to get regular starts.  All routine protocol.

Not quite. Mrazek has started 17, Howard 15. Sounds like more of a tandem situation to me. And if Blash was to follow the protocol of playing the hot hand regardless of position on the depth chart that many here think is the way to go, then Howard shouldn't have entered the equation after Mrazek's one bad game after an 8 out of 10 point run. he was heating up, getting in a groove, gaining confidence. No way you bench him after one loss then start your other goalie again after he had the same result right after. That's bad coaching, no way around it.

[kliq 3,763]

1 minute ago, chaps80 said:

Not quite. Mrazek has started 17, Howard 15. Sounds like more of a tandem situation to me. And if Blash was to follow the protocol of playing the hot hand regardless of position on the depth chart that many here think is the way to go, then Howard shouldn't have entered the equation after Mrazek's one bad game after an 8 out of 10 point run. he was heating up, getting in a groove, gaining confidence. No way you bench him after one loss then start your other goalie again after he had the same result right after. That's bad coaching, no way around it.

You're really playing with numbers here. Its only 17-15 because Mrazek started the year as the starter meaning that of those 17 starts, like 9 were in the first 12 games. Then when you factor in the time Howard was hurt, its really not close to 50/50. Since Mrazek lost the starting job about a month into the season, Howard has been the bonafide starter while healthy.