krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) Scott Wheeler just released his top 50 NHL drafted prospects https://theathletic.com/442466/2018/07/27/wheeler-the-top-50-drafted-nhl-prospects-ranking-2018-edition/ The bad news is we only have one player on that list. The good news is that player is ranked number 5. Filip Zadina - "I’m fairly confident the Montreal Canadiens and the Ottawa Senators will grow to regret their Friday night in Dallas, at least quietly. Their loss is the Red Wings’ gain — and they needed it. Despite the team’s desperate need for a rebuild, Zadina is their lone prospect in the top 50. Though I will say this: I really liked their 2018 draft, from Zadina on down to Joe Veleno and Jonatan Berggren. Zadina, more than the three forwards ahead of him on this list, is at his best when the puck’s on his stick and he can create as a primary carrier and option. Both Pettersson and Svechnikov can be dominant off the puck, finishing off plays in a split second. Zadina is electrifying because he scores his goals with that extra touch before he releases it in order to change his angle, a darting lateral cut, or a deke." It still irks me to see Vilardi so highly regarded by most pundits, ranked number 13 on this list and Rasmussen not crack the top 50... Hopefully Ras really proves everyone wrong over the next couple years and becomes a legit top 6 winger / power-play specialist. Edited September 25, 2019 by krsmith17 2 1 Wheelchairsuperhero, Dabura and amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted July 27, 2018 Despite the team’s desperate need for a rebuild, Zadina is their lone prospect in the top 50. Only because you stupidly omitted Rasmussen. But ok. 1 2 ChristopherReevesLegs, The 91 of Ryans and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Dabura said: Despite the team’s desperate need for a rebuild, Zadina is their lone prospect in the top 50. He’s all we need Edited July 27, 2018 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, Dabura said: Despite the team’s desperate need for a rebuild, Zadina is their lone prospect in the top 50. Only because you stupidly omitted Rasmussen. But ok. ... and Veleno... Nah, not surprised Veleno isn't there, but he WILL be on this list in his draft +1 year, unlike Rasmussen... I agree though, I think Rasmussen should probably be there ahead of a couple guys on this list. I'm okay with him being underrated though, and like I said, hopefully he proves a lot of people wrong, including Scott f***ing Wheeler... 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted July 27, 2018 If Dallas had taken Veleno at 13, or whatever position he was "supposed to go at" he would be on that list. Rasmussen not making the list is also extremely suspect. Just like with draft rankings, most of these ranks are likely super inaccurate relative to where these players actually turn out in the league. But it's fun to look at and cool to see Zadina so high up. 2 krsmith17 and Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted July 27, 2018 2 hours ago, krsmith17 said: ... and Veleno... Nah, not surprised Veleno isn't there, but he WILL be on this list in his draft +1 year, unlike Rasmussen... I agree though, I think Rasmussen should probably be there ahead of a couple guys on this list. I'm okay with him being underrated though, and like I said, hopefully he proves a lot of people wrong, including Scott f***ing Wheeler... The name Veleno sounds too similar to another player we used to have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted July 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, GMRwings1983 said: The name Veleno sounds too similar to another player we used to have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted July 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dabura said: $4.5 million dollar player right there. Maybe one day Joe will be goon enough to make that Ville money... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted July 27, 2018 2 hours ago, krsmith17 said: ... and Veleno... Nah, not surprised Veleno isn't there, but he WILL be on this list in his draft +1 year, unlike Rasmussen... I agree though, I think Rasmussen should probably be there ahead of a couple guys on this list. I'm okay with him being underrated though, and like I said, hopefully he proves a lot of people wrong, including Scott f***ing Wheeler... 2 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: If Dallas had taken Veleno at 13, or whatever position he was "supposed to go at" he would be on that list. Rasmussen not making the list is also extremely suspect. Just like with draft rankings, most of these ranks are likely super inaccurate relative to where these players actually turn out in the league. But it's fun to look at and cool to see Zadina so high up. yeh. It's just the way that line is worded, it made me chuckle. "Despite the team’s desperate need for a rebuild" The team is rebuilding. It's not a teardown, but it is indeed a rebuild. "Zadina is their lone prospect in the top 50." The team committed to a rebuild in the second half of the 2016-17 season; they've had two drafts in their new rebuild era. One of those drafts got them Zadina. Rasmussen could fit comfortably in this list. Could make a case for Hronek. Pundits are sophists. Hack frauds, the whole lot of them. 2 ChristopherReevesLegs and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted July 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dabura said: yeh. It's just the way that line is worded, it made me chuckle. "Despite the team’s desperate need for a rebuild" The team is rebuilding. It's not a teardown, but it is indeed a rebuild. "Zadina is their lone prospect in the top 50." The team committed to a rebuild in the second half of the 2016-17 season; they've had two drafts in their new rebuild era. One of those drafts got them Zadina. Rasmussen could fit comfortably in this list. Could make a case for Hronek. Pundits are sophists. Hack frauds, the whole lot of them. It's not a rebuild until we trade or buyout every single player from the "streak". Don't you know how this works?? 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solarion 118 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 Look where the picks that immediately preceded Zadina landed on this list. Kotkaniemi(3) came in at 22, Tkachuk(4) came in at 24, and Hayton(5) didn't even make the list. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, solarion said: Look where the picks that immediately preceded Zadina landed on this list. Kotkaniemi(3) came in at 22, Tkachuk(4) came in at 24, and Hayton(5) didn't even make the list. Nor should he. I really think he is going to be a bust. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solarion 118 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) Agree. The dawgs will likely regret not drafting BPA at #5. Frankly I liked Veleno as the best center of the draft, despite his mediocre shot, but he or Kotkaniemi I could kind of understand that high, but Hayton...I just don't get that pick at all. Edited July 31, 2018 by solarion 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 I don't think there's any question that Hayton was an off the board pick at 5, but it's probably a little too early to say he's going to be a bust... I'm sure there will be quite a few players drafted outside of the top 5 that will be better than him though. Keep in mind, this is just one man's rankings though. I'm sure there are others that would consider Hayton a top 50 prospect. I doubt many would consider him better than (m)any that went in this year's top 10 though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: I don't think there's any question that Hayton was an off the board pick at 5, but it's probably a little too early to say he's going to be a bust... I'm sure there will be quite a few players drafted outside of the top 5 that will be better than him though. Keep in mind, this is just one man's rankings though. I'm sure there are others that would consider Hayton a top 50 prospect. I doubt many would consider him better than (m)any that went in this year's top 10 though. I am not saying that he's the next Stefan, just that I don't think he'll ever turn out to be a good enough player to justify taking him at #5. Especially considering the guys picked after him. If he was picked in the 2nd half of the 1st round, my opinion would be different. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 13 minutes ago, solarion said: Agree. The dawgs will likely regret not drafting BPA at #5. Frankly I liked Veleno as the best center of the draft, despite his mediocre shot, but he or Kotkaniemi I could kind of understand that high, but Hayton...I just don't get that pick at all. Hayton was such Arizona thing to do. Things were looking too sweet so they just had to shoot themselves in the foot. Idk about Hayton busting though... I just don't think you pull a Rasmussen with a top 5 pick. The spread isn't open yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 In ARI's defense, they've badly needed an infusion of high-end talent at the center position since time immemorial. I don't know that Hayton is quite what the doctor ordered on that front, but Keller, Strome, Hayton (and maybe Galchenyuk) is a promising collection of young centermen. Pretty similar to our set, actually. Keller~Larkin, Strome~Rasmussen, Hayton~Veleno (and Galchenyuk~Athanasiou). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Dabura said: In ARI's defense, they've badly needed an infusion of high-end talent at the center position since time immemorial. I don't know that Hayton is quite what the doctor ordered on that front, but Keller, Strome, Hayton (and maybe Galchenyuk) is a promising collection of young centermen. Pretty similar to our set, actually. Keller~Larkin, Strome~Rasmussen, Hayton~Veleno (and Galchenyuk~Athanasiou). But who better? Veleno or Hayton? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: But who better? Veleno or Hayton? I don't wanna jinx our guy, so I'ma say..."Yes." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Dabura said: I don't wanna jinx our guy, so I'ma say..."Yes." I'll say "No", so we can fight about it later. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said: But who better? Veleno or Hayton? Veleno, obviously. 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, Dabura said: I don't wanna jinx our guy, so I'ma say..."Yes." 6 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Veleno, obviously. (but you're right) 2 1 NerveDamage, Dabura and krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,207 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Veleno, obviously. Counterpoint: you can't spell Veleno without "no." 1 NerveDamage reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solarion 118 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dabura said: In ARI's defense, they've badly needed an infusion of high-end talent at the center position since time immemorial. I don't know that Hayton is quite what the doctor ordered on that front, but Keller, Strome, Hayton (and maybe Galchenyuk) is a promising collection of young centermen. Pretty similar to our set, actually. Keller~Larkin, Strome~Rasmussen, Hayton~Veleno (and Galchenyuk~Athanasiou). Truedat, but they also need guys that can finish. To leave Zadina on the board to take Hayton at #5 is just stoopid. This is a team that managed even to outstink the Wings in GF last year. ...yuck. Take. The. Shooter. If Galchenyuk gets even a whiff of success at center in the desert, I'm expecting riots in Montreal. Edited July 31, 2018 by solarion 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solarion 118 Report post Posted July 31, 2018 Well then he's doing it wrong. lol Phoenix is further from Milwaukee than Montreal is...though there are less annoying border guys to deal with. Nyquist as a verb...stellar! I'm stealing that. 2 1 Dabura, ChristopherReevesLegs and Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
