nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Did you even fully read both posts? Gotta say. I'm with Ding Dong here There is nothing wrong with having too many good players. I'd rather add scoring than just replace it. Start swinging some of these 1 goal games the right way. I'd have no problem signing Nyquist to a 4 year extension. 4 x 5.25. I did dickhead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: If you are seriously comparing Abby to Nyquist then I already know I've won the argument. You disappoint me KRS. 1. Nyquist is 29, not 30+. 2. 29 is a "prime" age. 3. If he signs a 4 yr deal, he would be 33/34 when it's up. Past his prime? Yes. A veteran? Yes. But hardly "over the hill". 4. Again I ask...What is wrong with having too many good players? I post on LGW.com, so I am clearly a better GM than Holland and a better coach than Blashill. 1. Nyquist will be 30 before next season, which is 30+. Is it not? 2. Average prime for a forward is closer to around 23-27. Not 29-30+. 3. Never once said "over the hill"... But yes, past his prime. 4. There is nothing wrong with having too many good players, but when you're a rebuilding team, your main focus should be on the youth. I'd personally rather see Larkin, Mantha, Athanasiou, Bertuzzi, Rasmussen, Zadina, Veleno, who ever we draft in the first round of the upcoming two drafts, etc be given top 9 minutes over Nyquist. I get it. You want to keep Nyquist. I'd prefer to move on. No big deal... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: I did dickhead mods ban plz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: mods ban plz LOL reminded you of being bullied in school? It’s ok I’m not worried there’s like 8 ppl that come here anyways place won’t be up much longer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 39 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: 2. Average prime for a forward is closer to around 23-27. Not 29-30+. Except Goose didn't even crack the NHL full time until he was like 24? Usually takes a couple years to hit ur prime after that. And he is now having at 29 what seems to be his best season. I would argue that he's a late bloomer at that he will still be a good player for most of his new contract. 43 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: 4. There is nothing wrong with having too many good players, but when you're a rebuilding team, your main focus should be on the youth. I'd personally rather see Larkin, Mantha, Athanasiou, Bertuzzi, Rasmussen, Zadina, Veleno, who ever we draft in the first round of the upcoming two drafts, etc be given top 9 minutes over Nyquist. I get it. You want to keep Nyquist. I'd prefer to move on. No big deal... What I like about bringing Goose back is that he is the right age for a rebuild. As he gets older and his diminishing skills push him down the lineup, there will be kids down the roster who are improving who can be moved up at the same time. Proper transitioning is a very good thing for a successful rebuild. 48 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: 1. Nyquist will be 30 before next season, which is 30+. Is it not? No. 30 is 30. 31 is 30+. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: LOL reminded you of being bullied in school? It’s ok I’m not worried there’s like 8 ppl that come here anyways place won’t be up much longer Edited February 21, 2019 by The 91 of Ryans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Did you even fully read both posts? Gotta say. I'm with Ding Dong here There is nothing wrong with having too many good players. I'd rather add scoring than just replace it. Start swinging some of these 1 goal games the right way. I'd have no problem signing Nyquist to a 4 year extension. 4 x 5.25. I'm also with Ding Dong, but Nyquist would be useless on the 3rd line. You need a 15G, 15A guy on the 3rd line that comes at 1.5 mil per. Not 5 mil. Zadina-Larkin-Stone Athanasiou-Veleno-Kakko Svechnikov-Rasmussen-Mantha OR Zadina-Larkin-Nyquist Athanasiou-Nielsen-Kakko Abdelkader-Rasmussen-Mantha People always tell me we can't afford to give a big name UFA or trade target 12 mil per long term. But I never understand why they are comfortable giving Abby, Nielsen, and Helm 12 mil per long term. Abdelkader has another 4 years left and Nielsen another 3. And we havent brought into account the upcoming expansion draft. Holland is crippling this team. Edited February 21, 2019 by Jonas Mahonas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: No. 30 is 30. 31 is 30+. No. 30+ is exactly that, 30 and up... Besides I was referring to his next contract. You want to sign him for 5 years? He will be 30+ through the entirety of that contract... 6 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Except Goose didn't even crack the NHL full time until he was like 24? Usually takes a couple years to hit ur prime after that. And he is now having at 29 what seems to be his best season. I would argue that he's a late bloomer at that he will still be a good player for most of his new contract. Maybe he is hitting his prime a little later than most (I doubt it). That doesn't necessarily mean that he will hit his decline later than most though. Maybe the career year has more to do with it being a contract year and less to do with age. Maybe... 9 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: What I like about bringing Goose back is that he is the right age for a rebuild. As he gets older and his diminishing skills push him down the lineup, there will be kids down the roster who are improving who can be moved up at the same time. Proper transitioning is a very good thing for a successful rebuild. I'm not even completely opposed to bringing Nyquist back. I'd prefer if we didn't, but I wouldn't be too upset if we did (depending on the contract). Speaking of which, you didn't answer my previous question... What contract would you be comfortable giving Nyquist entering his 30's? What I would be upset with, is if we didn't trade Nyquist at this year's deadline and cash in on a good player having a great season. If we can get a 1st, or a 2nd, plus, you have to take that deal (assuming he would waive his NTC). If you want to circle back this summer, sure, why not... 1 nyqvististhefuture reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Mods ban plz 5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: No. 30+ is exactly that, 30 and up... Besides I was referring to his next contract. You want to sign him for 5 years? He will be 30+ through the entirety of that contract... Maybe he is hitting his prime a little later than most (I doubt it). That doesn't necessarily mean that he will hit his decline later than most though. Maybe the career year has more to do with it being a contract year and less to do with age. Maybe... I'm not even completely opposed to bringing Nyquist back. I'd prefer if we didn't, but I wouldn't be too upset if we did (depending on the contract). Speaking of which, you didn't answer my previous question... What contract would you be comfortable giving Nyquist entering his 30's? What I would be upset with, is if we didn't trade Nyquist at this year's deadline and cash in on a good player having a great season. If we can get a 1st, or a 2nd, plus, you have to take that deal (assuming he would waive his NTC). If you want to circle back this summer, sure, why not... 6 x 2yrs take it or leave it which he won’t so get the multiple picks Edited February 21, 2019 by nyqvististhefuture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said: Mods ban plz I reduced my response to an emoji so you wouldn't have to read too many words. Is this too many? If so, please defer to........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nyqvististhefuture 1,002 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: I reduced my response to an emoji so you wouldn't have to read too many words. Is this too many? If so, please defer to........ Oh I noticed you were being a dickhead thus asking mod to plz ban Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: No. 30+ is exactly that, 30 and up... Besides I was referring to his next contract. You want to sign him for 5 years? He will be 30+ through the entirety of that contract... Maybe he is hitting his prime a little later than most (I doubt it). That doesn't necessarily mean that he will hit his decline later than most though. Maybe the career year has more to do with it being a contract year and less to do with age. Maybe... I'm not even completely opposed to bringing Nyquist back. I'd prefer if we didn't, but I wouldn't be too upset if we did (depending on the contract). Speaking of which, you didn't answer my previous question... What contract would you be comfortable giving Nyquist entering his 30's? What I would be upset with, is if we didn't trade Nyquist at this year's deadline and cash in on a good player having a great season. If we can get a 1st, or a 2nd, plus, you have to take that deal (assuming he would waive his NTC). If you want to circle back this summer, sure, why not... Considering his current production and age, I would prefer a 3 year deal, but would do a max of 4. I would even consider 5 if the cap hit is LOW and there arent any NMCs. If someone offers me an overpayment for him, I take it. I would never turn down a good deal. If he wants to test free agency, I trade him. But if he wants to re-sign at a reasonable contract and not be traded, I do it. And why does everyone keep calling me Ding Dong? I am neither a doorbell nor a Hostess pastry. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: Considering his current production and age, I would prefer a 3 year deal, but would do a max of 4. I would even consider 5 if the cap hit is LOW and there arent any NMCs. If someone offers me an overpayment for him, I take it. I would never turn down a good deal. If he wants to test free agency, I trade him. But if he wants to re-sign at a reasonable contract and not be traded, I do it. This I agree with. The problem is, like I've mentioned, this may be Nyquist's last opportunity to get paid, and I think he realizes this. I don't think he's accept anything shorter than 5-6 years, or below $5-5.5M. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcaractac 3,963 Report post Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said: No. 30 is 30. 31 is 30+. No. 30+ == (age >= 30) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 2 hours ago, krsmith17 said: This I agree with. The problem is, like I've mentioned, this may be Nyquist's last opportunity to get paid, and I think he realizes this. I don't think he's accept anything shorter than 5-6 years, or below $5-5.5M. I think he would take a shorter deal to stay here. 6 mil sounds about right 2 hours ago, marcaractac said: No. 30+ == (age >= 30) Not according to my calculator. It also spells boobs when you type in 59009 and turn it upside down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 768 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 2 hours ago, krsmith17 said: This I agree with. The problem is, like I've mentioned, this may be Nyquist's last opportunity to get paid, and I think he realizes this. I don't think he's accept anything shorter than 5-6 years, or below $5-5.5M. Definite pass... this team needs to move on from that kind of wasteful spending. Year 1 and 2 of that deal are reasonable, year 3 is questionable years 4-6 are criminal. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 10 hours ago, mackel said: Definite pass... this team needs to move on from that kind of wasteful spending. Year 1 and 2 of that deal are reasonable, year 3 is questionable years 4-6 are criminal. I agree. We need to make room for our young stud Zadina... 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 We already knew this, but... Wings will call up Zadina after NHL trade deadline [Detroit Free Press] Quote “When I’ve watched him, he’s been pretty good defensively. He’s got a pretty mature game for a young kid. He just needs to continue to work on being dangerous. I’d love to see him be ultra dangerous down there.” 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, krsmith17 said: This I agree with. The problem is, like I've mentioned, this may be Nyquist's last opportunity to get paid, and I think he realizes this. I don't think he's accept anything shorter than 5-6 years, or below $5-5.5M. If I am Holland, I remind Nyquist how generous his last contract is and how he didnt really live up to it until this year. And you want to sign him to a shorter deal to prove this year wasnt a fluke. And remind him how loyal and how well you pay veterans when the contract is up. Maybe you get a more reasonable deal. 12 minutes ago, Dabura said: We already knew this, but... Wings will call up Zadina after NHL trade deadline [Detroit Free Press] IT HAS BEGUN. What? Idk. I just wanna be the first to say it. Edited February 22, 2019 by Neomaxizoomdweebie 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, Dabura said: We already knew this, but... Wings will call up Zadina after NHL trade deadline [Detroit Free Press] Yup. The only "news" is when, after the deadline, is it going to happen and will they keep him under the 10 games? 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dabura said: We already knew this, but... Wings will call up Zadina after NHL trade deadline [Detroit Free Press] Yes, we know Zadina is getting 9 games at some point down the stretch, I just want to know WHEN??? I'll be at two games in two weeks time. Please have him in the lineup for those games... Please?... 1 Dabura reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Yup. The only "news" is when, after the deadline, is it going to happen and will they keep him under the 10 games? 5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said: Yes, we know Zadina is getting 9 games at some point down the stretch, I just want to know WHEN??? I'll be at two games in two weeks time. Please have him in the lineup for those games... Please?... Great minds...... Must be that Atlantic Canadian air. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mackel 768 Report post Posted February 22, 2019 9 hours ago, krsmith17 said: I agree. We need to make room for our young stud Zadina... Stop that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted February 23, 2019 Zadina with another assist tonight. 1st intermission. https://theahl.com/stats/game-summary/1019157 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dabura said: Zadina with another assist tonight. 1st intermission. https://theahl.com/stats/game-summary/1019157 He's laZy-dina and he suCzuchs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
