2018 Prospects Watch

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

Letting a guy go who is in his prime and having a great year because we MIGhT have a player down the road who needs a roster spot? Sorry. Makes zero sense. How about we keep guys like this and worry about roster problems that MIGHT happen later on. Having too many top 6 F is a problem? OK.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

7 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Letting a guy go who is in his prime and having a great year because we MIGhT have a player down the road who needs a roster spot? Sorry. Makes zero sense. How about we keep guys like this and worry about roster problems that MIGHT happen later on. Having too many top 6 F is a problem? OK.

Oh you mean like signing guys like abdelkader and worrying about them later on?

[krsmith17 7,191]

10 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

I’ve always been team kakko and still am , worried about hughes seemingly being injured literally every season and still not even in a mens league yet but if we got hughes to play with zadina nielsen perfectly drops down and lower when other future c’s come.

I think it's foolish to consider future injuries when picking between players to draft. Always take the best player available, and in this case it's Hughes. Any player can get injured at any time. Kakko could suffer a career ending injury in his first season. Hughes could become an iron-man like a Martin St. Louis. After watching the Hawks last night and what Kane has been doing this season, and throughout his career, I don't know how you pass on a player that projects to be a clone of him... I think Hughes probably ends up on the wing, which I'm fine with, because we still need an elite winger up with Larkin. Hughes would fill that role...

[krsmith17 7,191]

14 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Letting a guy go who is in his prime and having a great year because we MIGhT have a player down the road who needs a roster spot? Sorry. Makes zero sense. How about we keep guys like this and worry about roster problems that MIGHT happen later on. Having too many top 6 F is a problem? OK.

Nyquist is in his prime? Really? 30+ would only be considered prime by one man, Ken Holland... Is that you Kenny?

Nyquist is way past his prime, and in fact is due for a pretty significant drop off over the next few seasons. Which is why we should probably move on from him.

I'm curious, what would you be willing to pay Nyquist for his "prime" years?

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

37 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

I think it's foolish to consider future injuries when picking between players to draft. Always take the best player available, and in this case it's Hughes. Any player can get injured at any time. Kakko could suffer a career ending injury in his first season. Hughes could become an iron-man like a Martin St. Louis. After watching the Hawks last night and what Kane has been doing this season, and throughout his career, I don't know how you pass on a player that projects to be a clone of him... I think Hughes probably ends up on the wing, which I'm fine with, because we still need an elite winger up with Larkin. Hughes would fill that role...

It’s a not a bit concerning his missing games on a regular basis and he’s not even playing against men?how can it not , it’s not a certain incident where he got hurt for a long period of time , if you check his stats he’s been missing games the last 3 years. A lot of players are predicted to be clones of other players and it never comes to fruition 

just the other day someone posted some stat about kakko being ahead of laine,barkov etc... at the same stage as much as I like the guy nothing is a given , time will tell who’s better longterm but if your now telling me hughes will end up on the wing then I’m 100% kakko personally 

[Dabura 12,232]

1 minute ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

It’s a not a bit concerning his missing games on a regular basis and he’s not even playing against men?

He's played against men.

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/jack-hughes-nhl-draft-2019-world-junior-championship/nt8oxhtf6zns11k4dlrwokofu

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However, unlike previous editions of the NTDP, Hughes’ team has had to overcome a significant shift in scheduling that pitted them against the toughest NCAA schedule the program has ever seen. Playing “exhibition” games against mature collegiate competition has been an annual rite of passage for the under-18 program, but the current squad has faced a record 16 Division I opponents, including three of last year’s Frozen Four finalists and nine who in 2018-19 were ranked in the top 20 at least once. They already beat both Notre Dame and Michigan early in the season and will face No. 4 Minnesota-Duluth on Jan. 5.

Team USA’s diverse schedule also includes most of the USHL’s regular season and three international tournaments against the world’s top under-18 prospects. In November, Hughes appeared on a mission at the U18 Five Nations Tournament in the Czech Republic, torching some of the best teenagers on the planet to a tune of six goals and 10 assists in four games. He recorded at least four points in each of his first three contests en route to a clean sweep of the competition.

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To put the opposition Hughes has faced into context, consider the significant difference in the age between the NCAA and the Ontario Hockey League — the largest supplier of NHL talent. Players in the OHL, much like the USHL, range from 16 to 21, and the league-wide average per player is just over 18 years of age.

On the other hand, the average collegiate hockey player is over 22 years old, with some as old as 25. That’s not to say that playing NCAA hockey over Canadian major junior is a benefit to ensure success at the NHL level (it most certainly is not). However, the fact that Hughes has played (and produced at an elite level) against both physically-mature opponents and same-age peers, plus the shrinking of your standard NHL rookie, should end any debate as to whether or not Hughes will be able to handle the physical demands inherent in an NHL job.

Regardless of his measurements, Hughes remains a very special talent. With no player among his draft peers who can match his intelligence, dynamism and creativity, the choice for first overall in the 2019 draft should be an easy one for any team to make.

 

[krsmith17 7,191]

11 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

It’s a not a bit concerning his missing games on a regular basis and he’s not even playing against men?how can it not , it’s not a certain incident where he got hurt for a long period of time , if you check his stats he’s been missing games the last 3 years. A lot of players are predicted to be clones of other players and it never comes to fruition 

just the other day someone posted some stat about kakko being ahead of laine,barkov etc... at the same stage as much as I like the guy nothing is a given , time will tell who’s better longterm but if your now telling me hughes will end up on the wing then I’m 100% kakko personally 

He HAS played against men though. I'm not sure what all the injuries are that you're speaking of. I know he was injured for a couple games at the WJC, but other than that, what injuries has he had? Anything serious? If not, I'm not too concerned. Injuries are way too unpredictable and it doesn't bother me at all if he missed scattered games here and there because of tweaks or whatever. I'm not saying Hughes will be as good as Kane, but the potential is definitely there. He has been breaking records previously held by Kane and Matthews in the USNTDP. Kid is an unreal talent.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

32 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

He HAS played against men though. I'm not sure what all the injuries are that you're speaking of. I know he was injured for a couple games at the WJC, but other than that, what injuries has he had? Anything serious? If not, I'm not too concerned. Injuries are way too unpredictable and it doesn't bother me at all if he missed scattered games here and there because of tweaks or whatever. I'm not saying Hughes will be as good as Kane, but the potential is definitely there. He has been breaking records previously held by Kane and Matthews in the USNTDP. Kid is an unreal talent.

We should start talking about picks 4-8.  The GM of our team doesn't realize he is screwing this team over long term by not getting #1 overall picks in 2018 and 19.  We will be watching a playoff team in 3-4 years, but it could be decades before a cup team.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

1 hour ago, Dabura said:

He's played against men.

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/jack-hughes-nhl-draft-2019-world-junior-championship/nt8oxhtf6zns11k4dlrwokofu

 

Ya sorry I’m not gonna read all that lol quick summary if you can if not all good

 

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=209479

 

his hockey day page has him playing with teens 

[AtlantaHotWings 1,135]

49 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

He HAS played against men though. I'm not sure what all the injuries are that you're speaking of. I know he was injured for a couple games at the WJC, but other than that, what injuries has he had? Anything serious? If not, I'm not too concerned. Injuries are way too unpredictable and it doesn't bother me at all if he missed scattered games here and there because of tweaks or whatever. I'm not saying Hughes will be as good as Kane, but the potential is definitely there. He has been breaking records previously held by Kane and Matthews in the USNTDP. Kid is an unreal talent.

My googlefu might be off today ...not enough coffee yet. But googling Jack Hughes injury history, is Jack Hughes Injury plagued, Jack Hughes Injury etc. 

Only thing popping up is the injury that kept him out 3 games @ World Juniors which was a shoulder issue I believe. 

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

56 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

He HAS played against men though. I'm not sure what all the injuries are that you're speaking of. I know he was injured for a couple games at the WJC, but other than that, what injuries has he had? Anything serious? If not, I'm not too concerned. Injuries are way too unpredictable and it doesn't bother me at all if he missed scattered games here and there because of tweaks or whatever. I'm not saying Hughes will be as good as Kane, but the potential is definitely there. He has been breaking records previously held by Kane and Matthews in the USNTDP. Kid is an unreal talent.

If you look at every season on his hockeydb he’s clearly played lots of games fewer than numerous players , I’m not aware of the reasons or injuries , he could of caught a cold or have family reasons or whatever but I just noticed he’s had loads fewer games than a lot of players 

well I guess we all have our preferences every season , I liked lauko,carlsson,koivula for later rounds who are all in the ahl or juniors in laukos case and with contracts  , as always we will find out what happens to all these guys down the road , it’s all good you prefer hughes and I kakko we’ll what becomes of these guys in 5 seasons ... hopefully we end up with a good one

[Dabura 12,232]

2 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Ya sorry I’m not gonna read all that lol quick summary if you can if not all good

 

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=209479

 

his hockey day page has him playing with teens 

You've been posting often enough that I think you have enough time to read what I posted.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

25 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

We should start talking about picks 4-8.  The GM of our team doesn't realize he is screwing this team over long term by not getting #1 overall picks in 2018 and 19.  We will be watching a playoff team in 3-4 years, but it could be decades before a cup team.

We should be trying to get as many 2nds and 3rds as possible , I’m looking ahead at guys like Beecher,helleson,warren,puistola and hoping we can land a few gems later 

1 minute ago, Dabura said:

You've been posting often enough that I think you have enough time to read what I posted.

Not enough time to read your bible passages that’s for sure 

[Dabura 12,232]

1 minute ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Not enough time to read your bible passages that’s for sure 

Cool, cool. I look forward to you posting 48 times today and talking about how you've been researching guys who might be available in the 5th round.

[krsmith17 7,191]

5 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Ya sorry I’m not gonna read all that lol quick summary if you can if not all good

Seems pretty lazy, but here ya go...

"On the other hand, the average collegiate hockey player is over 22 years old, with some as old as 25."

"the fact that Hughes has played (and produced at an elite level) against both physically-mature opponents and same-age peers, plus the shrinking of your standard NHL rookie, should end any debate as to whether or not Hughes will be able to handle the physical demands inherent in an NHL job."

 

5 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

If you look at every season on his hockeydb he’s clearly played lots of games fewer than numerous players , I’m not aware of the reasons or injuries , he could of caught a cold or have family reasons or whatever but I just noticed he’s had loads fewer games than a lot of players 

well I guess we all have our preferences every season , I liked lauko,carlsson,koivula for later rounds who are all in the ahl or juniors in laukos case and with contracts  , as always we will find out what happens to all these guys down the road , it’s all good you prefer hughes and I kakko we’ll what becomes of these guys in 5 seasons ... hopefully we end up with a good one

So you don't even know if he's been injured? Why are you saying he's had injury issues then?

9 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

My googlefu might be off today ...not enough coffee yet. But googling Jack Hughes injury history, is Jack Hughes Injury plagued, Jack Hughes Injury etc. 

Only thing popping up is the injury that kept him out 3 games @ World Juniors which was a shoulder issue I believe. 

Yeah, I had a quick look too and couldn't find anything...

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

51 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

We should start talking about picks 4-8.  The GM of our team doesn't realize he is screwing this team over long term by not getting #1 overall picks in 2018 and 19.  We will be watching a playoff team in 3-4 years, but it could be decades before a cup team.

Someone should just tell Holland that 1>4-8. I think that's all that needs to happen. Can your inside source slip a note under his door or something? 

[Mckinley25 679]

42 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

We should be trying to get as many 2nds and 3rds as possible , I’m looking ahead at guys like Beecher,helleson,warren,puistola and hoping we can land a few gems later 

Not enough time to read your bible passages that’s for sure 

If you can’t be bothered to consult the evidence, on what grounds then do you occupy a position?

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

55 minutes ago, Dabura said:

Cool, cool. I look forward to you posting 48 times today and talking about how you've been researching guys who might be available in the 5th round.

Coolbeans kinda feel bad now for not looking forward to any of your posts ah well 

58 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Seems pretty lazy, but here ya go...

"On the other hand, the average collegiate hockey player is over 22 years old, with some as old as 25."

"the fact that Hughes has played (and produced at an elite level) against both physically-mature opponents and same-age peers, plus the shrinking of your standard NHL rookie, should end any debate as to whether or not Hughes will be able to handle the physical demands inherent in an NHL job."

 

So you don't even know if he's been injured? Why are you saying he's had injury issues then?

Yeah, I had a quick look too and couldn't find anything...

That’s fine I’m lazy to go through a long ass page ... I’ll take it

 

i told you I looked at his hockeydb page and compared to other guys it showed he played less games than other plays and when I looked at the ages they all showed 18 and under so I don’t know 

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=209479

Hickeydb probably  has some stuff missing, That’s cool I was wrong ... still prefer kakko though

 

[Dabura 12,232]

3 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Coolbeans kinda feel bad now for not looking forward to any of your posts ah well 

The minute it took you to post this could've been put towards reading that post. The minute you put into your next post will be another minute you could've put into reading the post. The post would take approximately two minutes to read.

Reading is fun. All the cool kids do it. You are a cool kid, right?

[krsmith17 7,191]

31 minutes ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

That’s fine I’m lazy to go through a long ass page ... I’ll take it

i told you I looked at his hockeydb page and compared to other guys it showed he played less games than other plays and when I looked at the ages they all showed 18 and under so I don’t know 

Two years ago Hughes played 113 games in Midget AAA.

Last year he played 100 games, including USHL (27), USDP-U17 (24), USDP-U18 (36), WHC-U17 (6), and WJC-U18 (7).

This year he's playing with the USNTDP, playing with players his own age (17-18), against men (19-25).

You should probably do a little research before you start throwing around false information...

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

38 minutes ago, Dabura said:

The minute it took you to post this could've been put towards reading that post. The minute you put into your next post will be another minute you could've put into reading the post. The post would take approximately two minutes to read.

Reading is fun. All the cool kids do it. You are a cool kid, right?

Ah, but reading someone else's thoughts isn't as fun as telling others about yours. I've seen children with ADD. They interrupt you all the time  and never really listen to anything you say. Sort of like this. 

8 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

Two years ago Hughes played 113 games in Midget AAA.

Last year he played 100 games, including USHL (27), USDP-U17 (24), USDP-U18 (36), WHC-U17 (6), and WJC-U18 (7).

This year he's playing with the USNTDP, playing with players his own age (17-18), against men (19-25).

You should probably do a little research before you start throwing around false information...

too much reading 

[kickazz 5,459]

2 hours ago, Dabura said:

Cool, cool. I look forward to you posting 48 times today and talking about how you've been researching guys who might be available in the 5th round.

So the Tl;dr for this post from Dabura @nyqvististhefuture is basically that Nyquist was never the future. 

Edited February 21, 2019 by kickazz

[Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083]

4 hours ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Oh you mean like signing guys like abdelkader and worrying about them later on?

If you are seriously comparing Abby to Nyquist then I already know I've won the argument.

4 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Nyquist is in his prime? Really? 30+ would only be considered prime by one man, Ken Holland... Is that you Kenny?

Nyquist is way past his prime, and in fact is due for a pretty significant drop off over the next few seasons. Which is why we should probably move on from him.

I'm curious, what would you be willing to pay Nyquist for his "prime" years?

You disappoint me KRS. 

1. Nyquist is 29, not 30+.

2. 29 is a "prime" age.

3. If he signs a 4 yr deal, he would be 33/34 when it's up. Past his prime? Yes. A veteran? Yes. But hardly "over the hill".

4. Again I ask...What is wrong with having too many good players?

14 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

I would in a second.  Can you GM and coach?

I post on LGW.com, so I am clearly a better GM than Holland and a better coach than Blashill.

Edited February 21, 2019 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

Two years ago Hughes played 113 games in Midget AAA.

Last year he played 100 games, including USHL (27), USDP-U17 (24), USDP-U18 (36), WHC-U17 (6), and WJC-U18 (7).

This year he's playing with the USNTDP, playing with players his own age (17-18), against men (19-25).

You should probably do a little research before you start throwing around false information...

Alright next time I’ll do my research oh wise one

9 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

If you are seriously comparing Abby to Nyquist then I already know I've won the argument.

You disappoint me KRS. 

1. Nyquist is 29, not 30+.

2. 29 is a "prime" age.

3. If he signs a 4 yr deal, he would be 33/34 when it's up. Past his prime? Yes. A veteran? Yes. But hardly "over the hill".

4. Again I ask...What is wrong with having too many good players?

I post on LGW.com, so I am clearly a better GM than Holland and a better coach than Blashill.

Sure you did 

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

1 minute ago, nyqvististhefuture said:

Alright next time I’ll do my research oh wise one

Sure you did 

Did you even fully read both posts? 

10 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

If you are seriously comparing Abby to Nyquist then I already know I've won the argument.

You disappoint me KRS. 

1. Nyquist is 29, not 30+.

2. 29 is a "prime" age.

3. If he signs a 4 yr deal, he would be 33/34 when it's up. Past his prime? Yes. A veteran? Yes. But hardly "over the hill".

4. Again I ask...What is wrong with having too many good players?

I post on LGW.com, so I am clearly a better GM than Holland and a better coach than Blashill.

Gotta say. I'm with Ding Dong here  There is nothing wrong with having too many good players. I'd rather add scoring than just  replace it. Start swinging some of these 1 goal games the right way. 

I'd have no problem signing Nyquist to a 4 year extension. 4 x 5.25.