2019-20 Prospects Thread

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28 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

I work remotely, even before all this stuff.  Go to DC about once a month for a couple days.  I didn't like living in the city, it sucked.  Bought a farm in Appalachia and have a zillion animals now.  Way more fun.

Spent half my childhood on a farm and work in the ag sector now, so I know the life. I don't dislike being a cosmopolitan, but I much prefer the rural lifestyle agreed.

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1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Looking closer at Kadyekin, it seems he's really good at faceoffs and as a shot blocker at forward, although not very physical for a big defensive guy.

His ceiling is probably like Glendening, realistically probably a big Ehn, worst case scenario total busterooni 

Can a 7th rounder be a bust?

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24 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Can a 7th rounder be a bust?

No, 7th rounders can only be busteroonis 

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1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Can a 7th rounder be a bust?

No they can only surprise... they are presumed fringe pros (meaning ECHL/AHL etc) a late round pick that plays a regular shift is a win, a late round star its a miracle.

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25 minutes ago, mackel said:

No they can only surprise... they are presumed fringe pros (meaning ECHL/AHL etc) a late round pick that plays a regular shift is a win, a late round star its a miracle.

So E is a hero then.

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1 minute ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

So E is a hero then.

Oh f*** yeah he is.

Picked dead last (9th round) as a forward. Converted to D after being drafted and still played 700 NHL games.

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15 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Oh f*** yeah he is.

Picked dead last (9th round) as a forward. Converted to D after being drafted and still played 700 NHL games.

Plus being LGW whipping boy !! 

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2 hours ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

Plus being LGW whipping boy !! 

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18 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

So E is a hero then.

Not a hero but he far exceeded what would be expected of a 7th rounder....  If he'd have been drafted in the 1st round he'd be a bust with the very same stats.  Its a matter of not living up to/far exceeding expectation.

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To piggy back off of a discussion I'm having in another thread, the ascent of Ericsson to the main roster happened right around the same time that our defense was gutted by the loses of Rafalski, Lidstrom, and Stuart.  Those guys were never replaced with quality players, and so guys like Ericsson were tasked with playing WAY above their heads.  If Ericsson had only ever been a 3rd pair stay at home guy and penalty killer NOBODY would have even a single criticism of him. If, however, you ask him to shut down Patrick Kane in 2013 playoffs he's going to get smashed.  That's not his fault, that's Holland's and to a lesser extent Babcock's.

Edited April 10, 2020 by kipwinger

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1 hour ago, kipwinger said:

To piggy back off of a discussion I'm having in another thread, the ascent of Ericsson to the main roster happened right around the same time that our defense was gutted by the loses of Rafalski, Lidstrom, and Stuart.  Those guys were never replaced with quality players, and so guys like Ericsson were tasked with playing WAY above their heads.  If Ericsson had only ever been a 3rd pair stay at home guy and penalty killer NOBODY would have even a single criticism of him. If, however, you ask him to shut down Patrick Kane in 2013 playoffs he's going to get smashed.  That's not his fault, that's Holland's and to a lesser extent Babcock's.

Agreed. I always thought the criticism of E was often unwarranted. He was tasked with playing above his skill set on a regular basis. And because he was used as a 2nd pair D, he was fairly paid for it, even tho his play wasn't at that level.

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Durex

Edited April 20, 2020 by ChristopherReevesLegs

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8 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Durex

Bout time.  Only took him 6 years after being drafted.

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10 minutes ago, TLGTrico said:

Bout time.  Only took him 6 years after being drafted.

Everyone: Smith + Svech + Rasmussen + Hirose all competing for that last roster spot
Yzerman: Player 5 has entered the game

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Just now, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Everyone: Smith + Svech + Rasmussen + Hirose all competing for that last roster spot
Yzerman: Player 5 has entered the game

Back to the farmleague, Ehn!

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1 minute ago, Akakabuto said:

Back to the farmleague, Ehn!

Pathetic attempt to troll me

This is now an Ehn appreciation thread

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2 hours ago, TLGTrico said:

Bout time.  Only took him 6 years after being drafted.

Considering he was a 7th round pick, I'd say it's miraculous that he made it at all.

2 hours ago, Akakabuto said:

Back to the farmleague, Ehn!

N is the most underappreciated Red Wing.

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HYPE

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1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

N is the most underappreciated Red Wing.

CRL was right. My comment was aimed at him. I like Ehn. 

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1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

N is the most underappreciated Red Wing.

If anything he's over appreciated by some here. He's a replacement level player. Nothing more, nothing less.

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1 hour ago, krsmith17 said:

If anything he's over appreciated by some here. He's a replacement level player. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ehn is 23/24. By that standard Svechnikov, Turgeon, and Hirose are also replacement level or worse. Yet I find you arguing for the potential growth of some of these players. My point being this player is still very much a prospect with room for growth. So I don't understand why you're always trying to be the wet blanket with him.

inb4 "but CRL those prospects have a higher ceiling"

Sure, and I'll agree that Ehn was always going to be a defensive forward. But I certainly don't group him into the same category as say Ferraro/Emmerton/Andersson - whatever you want to call that replacement tier. If that was the case he would've stayed on the farm for multiple seasons and joined the Red Wings at about this age (24). But that didn't happen, the Wings accelerated him to the roster and he had full-time duties already at 22. I think that's nothing but exciting to see for a player, even a defensive one.

I see Ehn as more of a future Drew Miller/Marcus Kruger/Luke Glendening type than just another wash up who's only gonna play one or two seasons. If that's what you mean by replacement level then I agree with you. But I don't think that means he should be replaced, because why would you? These players are cheap - and while they don't have big roles - they play their roles well. Which is why Miller spent 8 seasons with the Red Wings, Kruger spent 8 seasons with the Hawks, and we're talking about flipping Glendening for decent picks at the TDL now.

N HAS VALUE GIVE HIM YOUR VALIDATION

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2 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

If anything he's over appreciated by some here. He's a replacement level player. Nothing more, nothing less.

Case in point.

I just don't understand the logic that a player who isn't a top 6 F, top 4 D, or starting G doesn't deserve appreciation.

The guy comes to work every game and gives 100%, even when the rest of the team doesn't seem to give a s***. And you need guys like that in your team.

He may be replaceable, but that doesn't mean he's worthless or useless.

 

5 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Ehn is 23/24. By that standard Svechnikov, Turgeon, and Hirose are also replacement level or worse. Yet I find you arguing for the potential growth of some of these players. My point being this player is still very much a prospect with room for growth. So I don't understand why you're always trying to be the wet blanket with him.

inb4 "but CRL those prospects have a higher ceiling"

Sure, and I'll agree that Ehn was always going to be a defensive forward. But I certainly don't group him into the same category as say Ferraro/Emmerton/Andersson - whatever you want to call that replacement tier. If that was the case he would've stayed on the farm for multiple seasons and joined the Red Wings at about this age (24). But that didn't happen, the Wings accelerated him to the roster and he had full-time duties already at 22. I think that's nothing but exciting to see for a player, even a defensive one.

I see Ehn as more of a future Drew Miller/Marcus Kruger/Luke Glendening type than just another wash up who's only gonna play one or two seasons. If that's what you mean by replacement level then I agree with you. But I don't think that means he should be replaced, because why would you? These players are cheap - and while they don't have big roles - they play their roles well. Which is why Miller spent 8 seasons with the Red Wings, Kruger spent 8 seasons with the Hawks, and we're talking about flipping Glendening for decent picks at the TDL now.

N HAS VALUE GIVE HIM YOUR VALIDATION

Yes. Drew Miller would be an accurate comparison.

Edited April 20, 2020 by Neomaxizoomdweebie

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22 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Yes. Drew Miller would be an accurate comparison.

Eats PK minutes for you. Chips in 15-20 pts a season. Bargain contract. What's not to like? Better him than chucking a new Emmerton into that spot every year.

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3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Ehn is 23/24. By that standard Svechnikov, Turgeon, and Hirose are also replacement level or worse.

Yeah, they probably are, but...

3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Yet I find you arguing for the potential growth of some of these players.

... they haven't really been given much of an opportunity. Ehn has been given an opportunity, and has already proven that he's "replacement level"...

3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

My point being this player is still very much a prospect with room for growth. So I don't understand why you're always trying to be the wet blanket with him.

Grow into what? A defensive specialist? No thanks... Ehn is "good" defensively, but it doesn't make up for his offensive shortcomings.

I'll take a Perlini with offensive potential, over an Ehn, with zero offensive potential any day.

3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Sure, and I'll agree that Ehn was always going to be a defensive forward. But I certainly don't group him into the same category as say Ferraro/Emmerton/Andersson - whatever you want to call that replacement tier. If that was the case he would've stayed on the farm for multiple seasons and joined the Red Wings at about this age (24). But that didn't happen, the Wings accelerated him to the roster and he had full-time duties already at 22. I think that's nothing but exciting to see for a player, even a defensive one.

Emmerton and Andersson both made the big club at around the same age (difference of a few months). Both were more productive, and have (and maybe will) play more games in a Red Wings Wings jersey than Ehn.

3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I see Ehn as more of a future Drew Miller/Marcus Kruger/Luke Glendening type than just another wash up who's only gonna play one or two seasons. 

Drew Miller sucked, despite his "amazing penalty killing"...

3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

If that's what you mean by replacement level then I agree with you. But I don't think that means he should be replaced, because why would you?

I'm not saying we have to replace Ehn next season, but most of our bottom six needs to be upgraded in the next couple seasons if we're going to turn things around, and that includes Ehn. THAT'S what I mean by "replacement level"...

3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Which is why Miller spent 8 seasons with the Red Wings, Kruger spent 8 seasons with the Hawks, and we're talking about flipping Glendening for decent picks at the TDL now.

About 5 years too long, if you ask me...

3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

N HAS VALUE GIVE HIM YOUR VALIDATION

NO!

3 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

Case in point.

I just don't understand the logic that a player who isn't a top 6 F, top 4 D, or starting G doesn't deserve appreciation.

The guy comes to work every game and gives 100%, even when the rest of the team doesn't seem to give a s***. And you need guys like that in your team.

I appreciate plenty of bottom six forwards. Ehn just isn't one of them. I do appreciate Ehn's work ethic, but the skill just isn't there.

3 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

He may be replaceable, but that doesn't mean he's worthless or useless.

I've never said "worthless" or "useless"... So we agree then? Ehn is replacement level, and should be replaced in the next couple seasons...

3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Eats PK minutes for you. Chips in 15-20 pts a season. Bargain contract. What's not to like? 

Chips in 15-20 points a season? You do realize his career high (albeit in two 3/4 seasons) is 9. He hasn't even amassed 15 points in 114 games...

3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Better him than chucking a new Emmerton into that spot every year.

I disagree here as well. I'm okay with a revolving door on that 12th/13th forward spot. I'd rather give up on the Ehn experiment now, and try Turgeon next season. If he sucks too, try Pearson the next season. If he sucks too, try Soderblom the next season. If he sucks too... you get the point...

 

I do find it funny though, that you will defend Ehn because of his age and "potential", but you're ready to give up on Larkin and Zadina, who are both younger / much younger, with MUCH higher potential...

What do you think is more / less likely? Ehn hits 15+ points next season, Zadina hits 50+ points next season, or Larkin hits 75+ points next season? (all with the Wings of course)...

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15 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

If anything he's over appreciated by some here. He's a replacement level player. Nothing more, nothing less.

Over appreciated by some, perhaps. But under appreciated by you. The truth is likely somewhere in between. 

9 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

What do you think is more / less likely? Ehn hits 15+ points next season, Zadina hits 50+ points next season, or Larkin hits 75+ points next season? (all with the Wings of course)...

Neither of these 3 things will happen next season.