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14 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

 

You're saying he needs to rush so that he doesn't rush.

 

The insanity of this discussion aside, I believe the concept is: don't wait until the last minute to pass the puck but also don't pass it right away either. Gotta find that sweet sweet lil chicken nugget of time in between the two extremes that's the perfect moment for an outlet pass. 

But whatevs, I'm mostly just skimming through the white noise here, so I might be wrong. 

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9 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

That was what YOU said, I just forgot to put quotations around it. My bad...

 

It doesn't matter who said it first.  You're suggesting that the way to get him to stop "rushing passes" (as CRL desribed it first) is for him to...wait for it...rush passes.  You're grasping at straws. 

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22 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

This, I agree with. I agreed with everything in your original post, except for the one part I pointed out, "prone to panic". Like I've explained, I think it's the opposite. Regardless, why he coughs up the puck, he does unnecessarily cough the puck. And I tend to agree, it may be an issue with hockey IQ...

Regardless of how he puts himself in the situation (waiting or not waiting), this player absolutely panics quite a bit.

When the defender is on his doorstep his decision making goes to s***. That's either due to lack of composure under pressure, or lack of ability to make the correct adjustment. I much more tend to think it's the former and not the later.

I mentioned Ehn because Ehn has similar issues with anticipation, but at the same time stands in stark contrast to Cholowski when it comes to decision making.

Both Ehn and Cholowski seem to have below-average ability to process the play. I think we both agree we don't expect Ehn to ever improve in that department much, but with Cholowski I do expect some and hope for a lot.

However, unlike Cholowski, Ehn is already sound in his decision making. He's never gonna make the sexy play, but he is calm and composed under pressure, and almost always makes the smart decision with the puck no matter the situation he finds himself in. I cannot say the same for Cholowski. When free of pressure he looks decent enough out there, but when he's being hounded the B. Smith brain takes over and he suddenly becomes prone to a rash mistake. In my mind that is 100% a panicky player with a lack of composure.

To be fair to Cholo though. One should expect a 21 year old Dman to lack composure. Hronek is the exception, not the rule. I think the Wings rushed this kid wayyyy to quickly into the league.

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20 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Rushing pucks and making sloppy passes =/= calmness and poise. Calm players with puck poise don't make rushed sloppy passes.

If he's holding on to the puck for too long and then getting eating alive for it, that's called being slow between the ears. Which is what I said in my OP. He's stupid. He doesn't process the game at fast enough level.

I can confirm that rushing things leads to sloppy play.

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On 2/14/2020 at 12:56 PM, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Regardless of how he puts himself in the situation (waiting or not waiting), this player absolutely panics quite a bit.

When the defender is on his doorstep his decision making goes to s***. That's either due to lack of composure under pressure, or lack of ability to make the correct adjustment. I much more tend to think it's the former and not the later.

I mentioned Ehn because Ehn has similar issues with anticipation, but at the same time stands in stark contrast to Cholowski when it comes to decision making.

Both Ehn and Cholowski seem to have below-average ability to process the play. I think we both agree we don't expect Ehn to ever improve in that department much, but with Cholowski I do expect some and hope for a lot.

However, unlike Cholowski, Ehn is already sound in his decision making. He's never gonna make the sexy play, but he is calm and composed under pressure, and almost always makes the smart decision with the puck no matter the situation he finds himself in. I cannot say the same for Cholowski. When free of pressure he looks decent enough out there, but when he's being hounded the B. Smith brain takes over and he suddenly becomes prone to a rash mistake. In my mind that is 100% a panicky player with a lack of composure.

To be fair to Cholo though. One should expect a 21 year old Dman to lack composure. Hronek is the exception, not the rule. I think the Wings rushed this kid wayyyy to quickly into the league.

People did say when Cholowski was drafted that he'd need 5 years at least.

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On 2/16/2020 at 12:18 AM, TLGTrico said:

People did say when Cholowski was drafted that he'd need 5 years at least.

Right I sorta recall that he was supposed to be a long-term project Dman. I thought that was why he went to University to begin with.

Then he gives up on the NCAA pretty quick and suddenly Holland is giving him almost a full season at 20 years old.

Part of me really thinks Holland started trying to rush things at the end. As much as they talk about how Holland helped facilitate Yzerman coming in, you gotta think that guy would have gone to some decent lengths to protect his job and salvage his tenure if he could. I just want Yzerman to make the right call now and keep him out of the NHL for a bit. No need to mimic Holland here.

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On 2/13/2020 at 2:21 PM, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I don't think he's lazy. I think he's stupid and prone to panic. He does the same BS he does in the NHL in the AHL as well.

Guy should have NEVER played 52 NHL games as a first year pro. I'm suspicious that Holland felt desperate to shore up the D and thought he could just thrust Cholo in there and he would just figure it out and survive like Hronek did.

For the love of all that is holy Yzerman just keep him down in the AHL. He looks like he needs at least another full season down there, if not two, just to get his wits about him.

Cholo has looked good to me.  I wonder why we see him differently.  Hronek has a better ozone game now, but his ceiling is going to be more limited due to size and skating.  I think you will be eating these words in a few seasons.

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9 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

Cholo has looked good to me.  I wonder why we see him differently.  Hronek has a better ozone game now, but his ceiling is going to be more limited due to size and skating.  I think you will be eating these words in a few seasons.

I think you will be eating sidewalk when I knock ya down rough guy

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