2023 Trade Deadline Thread

[bIueadams 776]

14 hours ago, F.Michael said:

Nuthin beats the US Marine

Damn boi

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

4 hours ago, bIueadams said:

Damn boi

damn

[Axl Foley 334]

4 hours ago, Walman6million said:

Imagine if we had got Chychrun that year in the draft and kept Datysuk's salary.

Tatar - Zetterberg - Nyquist
Athanasiou - Larkin - Mantha
Abdelkader - Helm - Glendening
Miller - Sheahan - Ott

Kronwall - Green
Chychrun - Jensen
Dekeyser - Ericsson
Smith/Ouellet

Howard
Mrazek

 

not much better

[Walman6million 250]

6 hours ago, Axl Foley said:

not much better

Yeah but then we have a 1D in the system as early as 2016, instead of a 2nd pair in Hronek.
Holland also doesn't then have the money to waste on Nielsen (5 year impact + buyout) and Vanek.

Chychrun likely goes to GR the first year, and no Nielsen (40 pts + center depth) and Vanek (38 pts in 48 games) to add depth.
We likely finish a lot lower in the standings and draft top5 instead of Rasmussen at #9. AKA we land a Pettersson, Heiskanen, Makar...

So going into the 2017/18 season our young core is something like:

Bertuzzi - Larkin - Mantha

Chychrun - Makar

Compared to:

Bertuzzi - Larkin - Mantha
Rasmussen

Hronek

Thats A LOT BETTER

And we have more money to spend now that Datsyuk's contract is naturally off the books.

Holland is much thicker into the rebuild at this point and doesn't go spend all this money on bloated contracts like Nielsen.

We likely still draft Veleno and Zadina the following season (cause Holland) but we also still likely get Berggren too. We way even still get Seider the next season since only Holland and Yzerman seemed to be aware of how good he was.

Who's to say if we're still drafting low enough to get Raymond and Edvinsson at that point, but who really cares, the rebuild would be massively farther along.

 

[Walman6million 250]

 

I watched this 59 times. Incredible. 

[diehardredwingsfan58 164]

On 3/3/2023 at 1:54 PM, The 91 of Ryans said:

Sounds painful for her

I'm sure it was.

[Walman6million 250]

Bertuzzi has 6 pts in 12 games since leaving us. They're playing him on the 3rd line, but actually deploying that line a lot. I suspect to rest their superstars in the top6. Kinda pissed bc I'd like to see how he performs with Bergeron/Marchand/Pasta.

Sunny had friggin 7 pts in 11 games for the Wild. Playing 3rd line as well. Interestingly, they've used him on the PP a bit just like we did, but not at all on the PK. Another guy I wouldn't mind bringing back.

Vrana has 8 pts in 11 games for STL. 6 of which are goals. He's playing 2nd line, but getting very sheltered minutes. Shame he didn't work out cause the dude really can score at will.

Hronek has only played 3 games due to injury.

[Walman6million 250]

Bolts spent 5 picks and a roster player on Jeanot. He has x4 points in 20 games and is now out with a leg injury.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

we needed to unload Chiarot.  He sucks.

[Walman6million 250]

Reading about our castoffs on other teams forums:

Blues fans are very happy with Vrana. They think he can pot 40 goals plus on their top line next year. But some of them are also looking at him cautiously. Thinking that, if they re-sign him next year, he'll go right back to being a shid head once he has his contract. So they may use him as trade bait at the TDL next year.

Bruins fans are over the moon about Bertuzzi. Saying he's a super intelligent player that never takes shifts off, and exactly what they needed up front. They're debating right now how they're going to keep him in Boston. Many suggesting they should let Orlov walk or ship out Taylor Hall to make room for him.

Canucks fans are hillarious. They think SY may have bamboozled them with Hronek. And that they paid a premium for damaged good. For reference they got Hronek injured. Cleared him for 4 games. Then shut him down again, this time for the season. Sounds like 2 of the 4 games he played great. Other 2 bad. Classic Hronek. 

[marcaractac 3,963]

8 minutes ago, Walman6million said:

Reading about our castoffs on other teams forums:

Blues fans are very happy with Vrana. They think he can pot 40 goals plus on their top line next year. But some of them are also looking at him cautiously. Thinking that, if they re-sign him next year, he'll go right back to being a shid head once he has his contract. So they may use him as trade bait at the TDL next year.

Bruins fans are over the moon about Bertuzzi. Saying he's a super intelligent player that never takes shifts off, and exactly what they needed up front. They're debating right now how they're going to keep him in Boston. Many suggesting they should let Orlov walk or ship out Taylor Hall to make room for him.

Canucks fans are hillarious. They think SY may have bamboozled them with Hronek. And that they paid a premium for damaged good. For reference they got Hronek injured. Cleared him for 4 games. Then shut him down again, this time for the season. Sounds like 2 of the 4 games he played great. Other 2 bad. Classic Hronek. 

Bert is def a guy you want on a team ready to contend right now. Bert will not be the player he is now in 5 years' time, which is when the Wings should start to become a contender again. 

[Walman6million 250]

47 minutes ago, marcaractac said:

Bert is def a guy you want on a team ready to contend right now. Bert will not be the player he is now in 5 years' time, which is when the Wings should start to become a contender again. 

Larkin is only 1.4 years younger than Bert. And Bert really doesnt play the hard hitting style that most percieve him too, other than getting the unlucky blast in the hand once in a while.

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

18 minutes ago, Walman6million said:

Larkin is only 1.4 years younger than Bert. And Bert really doesnt play the hard hitting style that most percieve him too, other than getting the unlucky blast in the hand once in a while.

But he skates like a 38 year old now

1 hour ago, Walman6million said:

Reading about our castoffs on other teams forums:

Blues fans are very happy with Vrana. They think he can pot 40 goals plus on their top line  

Sounds familiar. 
 

Right up there with waiting for Zadina to breakout 

[Walman6million 250]

 

2 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

But he skates like a 38 year old now

By that comparison Raymond skates like he's 50 years old now.

2 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Sounds familiar. 
 

Right up there with waiting for Zadina to breakout 

Hes doing the same thing he did when we traded for him. Then he'll do blow all summer and neglect his injuries. 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Walman6million

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

2 hours ago, Walman6million said:

 

By that comparison Raymond skates like he's 50 years old now.

Hes doing the same thing he did when we traded for him. Then he'll do blow all summer and neglect his injuries. 

Raymond skates about the same as Bertuzzi north south right now for sure. But has better edgework and potential to get faster. And much better hands Obvi. 
 

The day Bert can’t get to the end boards quick enough to do his thing is the day it’s oooovah for him. 

[Walman6million 250]

2 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Raymond skates about the same as Bertuzzi north south right now for sure. But has better edgework and potential to get faster. And much better hands Obvi. 
 

The day Bert can’t get to the end boards quick enough to do his thing is the day it’s oooovah for him. 

Again, not really his thing. Sure, he hustles to the boards, but I wouldn't say he excels at board battles.

Bertuzzi is, IMO, probably one of the most wrongly typecast players in the NHL (by fans). Fans seem to have this underlying reputation for him of being a gritty, tough, board battler, who hits and scrums and goes to the dirty areas. Mickey's "junkyard dog".

He's really none of that, besides having the nads to go to the dirty areas.

What Bertuzzi excels at is hustle, fearlessness - but most importantly - having galaxy brain hockey IQ/instincts. Sure he works hard, and isn't afraid to block a shot, or go to the front of the net, but you can say the same thing about 100+ other bottom-6ers across the league. What sets Bert apart is he is a step ahead of most of the league. He reads and reacts to plays better than most of the league. He scores goals because he's in the right place at the right time. He collects pucks because he's in the right place at the right time. You know who was exactly like that? But wasn't the best skater in the world? Zetterberg. And I'm not saying bErTtUZzi iS LiTerAllY zEtTErBErg, I'm just saying players with high IQs survive in this league longer than some realize.

This isn't Abdelkader we're talking about. Bertuzzi is more similar to Larkin or Raymond than I think anyone feels obliged to admit. And if he's only 1.4 years older than Larkin, you should be expressing the same concerns about Larkin, who's game relies much more on his speed than Bertuzzi's does.

They've moved him to the top line with Pasta now, and those two have found a lot of instant chemistry together. If the Bruins keep him we're going to be talking about a PPG Bertuzzi next year.

 

 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Walman6million

[marcaractac 3,963]

17 hours ago, Walman6million said:

Larkin is only 1.4 years younger than Bert. And Bert really doesnt play the hard hitting style that most percieve him too, other than getting the unlucky blast in the hand once in a while.

Skating is a big difference here. Larkin's speed will keep him competitive as a top 6 forward well into his 30s. All keeping Bert would have done (assuming he was even willing to re-sign, which all signs point to he wasn't) would have been to make the team not bad enough to get good and not good enough to win anything. 

Yzerman should have moved Hronek and Bert last year and went all in on the Bedard tank this season. 

Hopefully this offseason he relies more on youth to fill roster spots than signing vets again. There are enough vets with winning experience on the roster as is. 

[Walman6million 250]

3 hours ago, marcaractac said:

Skating is a big difference here. Larkin's speed will keep him competitive as a top 6 forward well into his 30s. All keeping Bert would have done (assuming he was even willing to re-sign, which all signs point to he wasn't) would have been to make the team not bad enough to get good and not good enough to win anything. 

Yzerman should have moved Hronek and Bert last year and went all in on the Bedard tank this season. 

Hopefully this offseason he relies more on youth to fill roster spots than signing vets again. There are enough vets with winning experience on the roster as is. 

Larkins game is entirely predicated on his speed. Bertuzzi's is not. I'd be much more worried about Larkin losing that advantage than Bert. Both will have to adapt their playstyles in their 30s, but I don't see some mysterious advantage that Larkin has over Bert when it comes to aging. 

I'm A-Ok with trading Bertuzzi, Vrana, and Hronek. The only reason Larkin didnt join them is because Holland and SY both have failed to draft any C remotely ready enough to replace him. Its just nice to see the Bruins fans appreciating that they got a real special player in Tuzzi. 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Walman6million

[Walman6million 250]

Maybe Bert has always truly been a Bruin... 

 

 

[Walman6million 250]

Big surprise, but Bert is quickly becoming the #1 UFA target amongst contending teams. At least among fanbases.

[Jonas Mahonas 1,872]

I want FLA and SEA to win.  So expect the opposite to hapoen.

[Axl Foley 334]

3 hours ago, Walman6million said:

Big surprise, but Bert is quickly becoming the #1 UFA target amongst contending teams. At least among fanbases.

Holland got that one right.

[Walman6million 250]

9 hours ago, Axl Foley said:

Holland got that one right.

So many autismos were mad about that pick

[The 91 of Ryans 3,019]

14 hours ago, Walman6million said:

Big surprise, but Bert is quickly becoming the #1 UFA target amongst contending teams. At least among fanbases.

Good. I hope Bert infects at least a couple more good teams with loser stank like he did Boston. 

[Walman6million 250]

7 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said:

Good. I hope Bert infects at least a couple more good teams with loser stank like he did Boston. 

BERT MAN BAD

Bro is gonna paid this offseason