Walman6million 250 Report post Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Axl Foley said: No one is talking about building a "lowgrade wildcard team". 2019 Blues were a "lowgrade wildcard team" that won the cup 33 minutes ago, Axl Foley said: This team can actually be a future contender, but it's not going to have that elite talent that we have had in the past. That isnt a negative take. I see this as a team with high end, but not elite, talent with a solid, but deep roster that is more than capable of winning a Cup down the line. Calm down. Seider - already elite Edvinsson - tremendous potential to be elite Raymond - solid potential to be elite Cossa - solid potential to be elite Kasper - solid potential to be elite Wallinder - small chance of being elite Mazur - small chance of being elite Lombardi - small chance of being elite Buchnelikov - wildcard Johanssen - wildcard Soderblom - wildcard Berggren - wildcard This team is loaded with potential to have high-end elite players... they're just not on the roster yet. Edvinsson and Seider alone are enough to build a solid defense around for years. If any 1 or 2 of our forwards also hit elite status, we're a high-end team with elite talent. And we're probably going to add 3-4 new names to that list of potential bluechips this season. This tank hasn't been executed to build a "high end, but not elite" team you lack of vision having mafuqqer Edited April 29, 2023 by Walman6million Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted April 30, 2023 8 hours ago, Walman6million said: 2019 Blues were a "lowgrade wildcard team" that won the cup Seider - already elite Edvinsson - tremendous potential to be elite Raymond - solid potential to be elite Cossa - solid potential to be elite Kasper - solid potential to be elite Wallinder - small chance of being elite Mazur - small chance of being elite Lombardi - small chance of being elite Buchnelikov - wildcard Johanssen - wildcard Soderblom - wildcard Berggren - wildcard This team is loaded with potential to have high-end elite players... they're just not on the roster yet. Edvinsson and Seider alone are enough to build a solid defense around for years. If any 1 or 2 of our forwards also hit elite status, we're a high-end team with elite talent. And we're probably going to add 3-4 new names to that list of potential bluechips this season. This tank hasn't been executed to build a "high end, but not elite" team you lack of vision having mafuqqer We just signed Tuomisto up for 3 years. I bet we a talking about him in 24-25 as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 PLEASE win this, Florida. I cannot stand watxhing the referees decide these games with all of Boston's flopping. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 On 4/29/2023 at 2:03 PM, Walman6million said: 2019 Blues were a "lowgrade wildcard team" that won the cup No they weren't. The Stars and Avs were the Western Wild Card teams that year. The Blues were basically the 5th seed. On 4/29/2023 at 2:03 PM, Walman6million said: Edvinsson and Seider alone are enough to build a solid defense around for years. If any 1 or 2 of our forwards also hit elite status, we're a high-end team with elite talent. And we're probably going to add 3-4 new names to that list of potential bluechips this season. Edvinsson may be another Hedman. Seider another Pronger. Nashville had a prime Weber and Josi...2 elite dmen. Never an elite team tho. On 4/29/2023 at 2:03 PM, Walman6million said: Raymond - solid potential to be elite Cossa - solid potential to be elite Kasper - solid potential to be elite Wallinder - small chance of being elite Mazur - small chance of being elite Lombardi - small chance of being elite Buchnelikov - wildcard Johanssen - wildcard Soderblom - wildcard Berggren - wildcard Even if Raymond becomes elite, that doesn't make you a contender without a lot of help. (Hello Ovechkin). Kasper will help, but I dont see that as being enough for this team to mimic most recent Cup winners. Goalies are way too hard to predict. There is no way to even predict Cossa as a legit starter, let alone "elite". At best, Wallinder is a 2nd pair dman. AJo is probably a serviceable 4/5 dman at best. Mazur and Lombardi are way too raw at this point. They may not ever make the NHL. Soderblom is probably Rasmussen with better hands. 2nd liner at best. Berggren is Nyquist with better passing and playmaking ability. Definitely not elite. 26 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: PLEASE win this, Florida. I cannot stand watxhing the referees decide these games with all of Boston's flopping. I want to see Boston destroy the Leafs before getting knocked off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 BRUINS lmaooooo 1 Jonas Mahonas reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dabura 12,232 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 (edited) On 4/29/2023 at 2:03 PM, Walman6million said: 2019 Blues were a "lowgrade wildcard team" that won the cup Seider - already elite Edvinsson - tremendous potential to be elite Raymond - solid potential to be elite Cossa - solid potential to be elite Kasper - solid potential to be elite Wallinder - small chance of being elite Mazur - small chance of being elite Lombardi - small chance of being elite Buchnelikov - wildcard Johanssen - wildcard Soderblom - wildcard Berggren - wildcard This team is loaded with potential to have high-end elite players... they're just not on the roster yet. Edvinsson and Seider alone are enough to build a solid defense around for years. If any 1 or 2 of our forwards also hit elite status, we're a high-end team with elite talent. And we're probably going to add 3-4 new names to that list of potential bluechips this season. This tank hasn't been executed to build a "high end, but not elite" team you lack of vision having mafuqqer CENTER At present, Larkin and Kasper are our two key centermen. Larkin's very good but not necessarily "elite, elite." But that's OK. And that's my point. Kasper realistically projects as a gutsier Larkin type. He absolutely has the potential to be better than Larkin - but I dunno that I'm betting big money on him becoming a 95-point powerhouse. But that's OK. And that's my point. WING I said during last season's training camp (2021-22) that Raymond's a special player who has the potential to be as good as Zetterberg. And I stand by that. Now, will he actually be as good as Zetterberg? Probably not. But I think he can pretty easily be elite. Beyond Raymond, we don't have much to latch on to in terms of, like, actual bodies of actual NHL work. Mazur and Lombardi (who may or may not be a centerman) are promising, but so were Nyquist and Tatar and Jurco and Pulkkinen and Mantha and Athanasiou and Bertuzzi and Zadina. I'm happy that Rasmussen is trending up. I'm happy that Berggren potted 15 goals. I'm happy that Soderblom appears to be an NHLer. I'm happy that Veleno isn't a total bust. But Raymond's currently the only winger in our system who we can point to and say "That guy. He's a core guy. He's gonna score 30 goals next season." DEFENSE Seider's a total stud. He's elite. He's gonna win Norrises. The players who drive championship teams are players like Seider. Edvinsson's ceiling is stratospheric - and I think his floor is very high too. I feel there's a decent chance he becomes roughly equal to Seider in terms of overall value and what he means to the team. In theory, an Edvinsson-Seider pairing could be every bit as good as Niedermayer-Pronger - and we'd have it for a decade plus. Seider and Edvinsson are the main reason I don't think we necessarily need superstar forwards, and they're the main reason I'm not even gonna bother discussing any other defensemen in our system. I think Seider and Edvinsson - whether they're a pairing or not - could potentially make a lot of discussions moot, in a good way. I can picture a plausible future where this is among the very best five-man units in the league: Soderblom -- Kasper -- Raymond Edvinsson -- Seider I dunno that any of those three forwards is scoring 40 goals or winning any individual trophies. But they wouldn't necessarily have to. And that's my point. We don't necessarily need star power. Because all a team really needs is to win matchups. And if you have a well-coached team full of really solid players, you've got a great shot at doing that every night. And I think, realistically (and pretty self-evidently), that's what we're building. Edited May 1, 2023 by Dabura 1 town123 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 Kraken and Panthers move on to the 2nd round (along with Toronto)…This has got to be one of the most unexpected playoffs thus far…And I like it ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Kraken and Panthers move on to the 2nd round (along with Toronto)…This has got to be one of the most unexpected playoffs thus far…And I like it ! am i winning the pool? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Jonas Mahonas said: am i winning the pool? I’m in the lead… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walman6million 250 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 10 hours ago, Axl Foley said: No they weren't. The Stars and Avs were the Western Wild Card teams that year. The Blues were basically the 5th seed. Out of the playoffs the year before. Last place in January. Hot streak to win cup. Out in round one next 2 seasons in a row. Literally used as the prime example of how "lol anyone can win the cup if you just make the playoffs" Sure pal 10 hours ago, Axl Foley said: Edvinsson may be another Hedman. Seider another Pronger. Nashville had a prime Weber and Josi...2 elite dmen. Never an elite team tho. Even if Raymond becomes elite, that doesn't make you a contender without a lot of help. (Hello Ovechkin). Kasper will help, but I dont see that as being enough for this team to mimic most recent Cup winners. Edvinsson = Sergachev Seider = Hedman Raymond = Kucherov Kasper = Stamkos Cossa = Vasilevsky 10 hours ago, Axl Foley said: Goalies are way too hard to predict. There is no way to even predict Cossa as a legit starter, let alone "elite". At best, Wallinder is a 2nd pair dman. AJo is probably a serviceable 4/5 dman at best. Mazur and Lombardi are way too raw at this point. They may not ever make the NHL. Ah, we're allowed to predict Kasper and Edvinsson, but not Cossa, Ajo, Wallinder, Mazur, or Lombardi. Sorry. I forgot. 10 hours ago, Axl Foley said: Soderblom is probably Rasmussen with better hands. 2nd liner at best. Berggren is Nyquist with better passing and playmaking ability. Definitely not elite. Kucherov didn't become elite until he was 23 6 hours ago, Dabura said: CENTER At present, Larkin and Kasper are our two key centermen. Larkin's very good but not necessarily "elite, elite." But that's OK. And that's my point. Kasper realistically projects as a gutsier Larkin type. He absolutely has the potential to be better than Larkin - but I dunno that I'm betting big money on him becoming a 95-point powerhouse. But that's OK. And that's my point. WING I said during last season's training camp (2021-22) that Raymond's a special player who has the potential to be as good as Zetterberg. And I stand by that. Now, will he actually be as good as Zetterberg? Probably not. But I think he can pretty easily be elite. Beyond Raymond, we don't have much to latch on to in terms of, like, actual bodies of actual NHL work. Mazur and Lombardi (who may or may not be a centerman) are promising, but so were Nyquist and Tatar and Jurco and Pulkkinen and Mantha and Athanasiou and Bertuzzi and Zadina. I'm happy that Rasmussen is trending up. I'm happy that Berggren potted 15 goals. I'm happy that Soderblom appears to be an NHLer. I'm happy that Veleno isn't a total bust. But Raymond's currently the only winger in our system who we can point to and say "That guy. He's a core guy. He's gonna score 30 goals next season." DEFENSE Seider's a total stud. He's elite. He's gonna win Norrises. The players who drive championship teams are players like Seider. Edvinsson's ceiling is stratospheric - and I think his floor is very high too. I feel there's a decent chance he becomes roughly equal to Seider in terms of overall value and what he means to the team. In theory, an Edvinsson-Seider pairing could be every bit as good as Niedermayer-Pronger - and we'd have it for a decade plus. Seider and Edvinsson are the main reason I don't think we necessarily need superstar forwards, and they're the main reason I'm not even gonna bother discussing any other defensemen in our system. I think Seider and Edvinsson - whether they're a pairing or not - could potentially make a lot of discussions moot, in a good way. I can picture a plausible future where this is among the very best five-man units in the league: Soderblom -- Kasper -- Raymond Edvinsson -- Seider I dunno that any of those three forwards is scoring 40 goals or winning any individual trophies. But they wouldn't necessarily have to. And that's my point. We don't necessarily need star power. Because all a team really needs is to win matchups. And if you have a well-coached team full of really solid players, you've got a great shot at doing that every night. And I think, realistically (and pretty self-evidently), that's what we're building. Agreed with everything you said about the defense. Eddog - Mo basically make all our other D bonuses, and we'd likely still be fine with out them. That said I do think we have a lot of very nice bonuses coming in the pipeline and the potential to have one of the most dominant young D cores in the near future. gOAliEs aRe UNpReDiCTaBLe. I think Cossa's floor is Howard. With sky being the limit on his cieling. I don't think Kasper and Raymond get enough respect. Kasper has the potential to be much better than Larkin and be a true 1C. His cieling being Zetterberg with teeth. Everyone's pulling back on Raymond because of an average sophomore season. He just turned 21 last month. He probably still has 2 more years of developing yet and he's wayyyyyyy far ahead of every other prospect his age. He's gonna be great. I'm not so pessimistic about our other forwards. Beggren and Soder look like future top6 players. Mazur and Lombardi look like serious contenders for top6 positions in a season or 2. And we're adding 2-4 more great pieces this offseason. Yzerman is building an extremely big, fast, and gritty team. Our talented forwards that don't bring size or grit are soon going to have the luxury and confidence of playing in front of a solid goalie and a big mean talented defense. Yzerman is for the first time building his blueprint of a dream team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walman6million 250 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 Have i ever told u guys that Im a huge Cats fan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 NHL Fans: Man, these upsets are crazy! Playoff hockey is wild as f*ck! Woooo Hooooo! Also NHL Fans: Bettman's forced parity is ruining the sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 Just now, kipwinger said: NHL Fans: Man, these upsets are crazy! Playoff hockey is wild as f*ck! Woooo Hooooo! Also NHL Fans: Bettman's forced parity is ruining the sport. Saw several of these exact takes earlier. It's basically Avs and Bruins fans with the latter take and everyone else with the former tho. Anyways, f*** em Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Saw several of these exact takes earlier. It's basically Avs and Bruins fans with the latter take and everyone else with the former tho. Anyways, f*** em I think the NHL should be more like the NBA. I'd prefer to know who's going to win a championship before any games are even played. That's WAY more fun as a fan. 2 town123 and Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, kipwinger said: I think the NHL should be more like the NBA. I'd prefer to know who's going to win a championship before any games are even played. That's WAY more fun as a fan. My only beef is that 82 games is lot of mostly meaningless games. But I get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, The 91 of Ryans said: My only beef is that 82 games is lot of mostly meaningless games. But I get it. I think you genuinely need that many games to statistically differentiate between good and bad teams in the cap era. Think about how different the playoff picture would have looked this year if there were only 50 games (for example). For starters, Florida would not have made the playoffs and Washington and Pittsburgh likely would have (woof!). Because of the cap, the talent level is so even that you genuinely need 82 games to figure it out now. Not so much in 1986...or 2002. But I think it's a better product because of that. If you're a fan of Detroit, or Buffalo, or Winnipeg, or Florida, or Calgary your team was playing meaningful and exciting games into March and April. In the old days you'd have been watching spring training baseball by that point. In short, I think there are more meaningful games now than there have been in decades. Maybe not a perfect system, but a really entertaining one for fans across the league. Edited May 1, 2023 by kipwinger 2 ely s and The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akakabuto 1,842 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: Think about how different the playoff picture would have looked this year if there were only 50 games (for example). For starters, Florida would not have made the playoffs and Washington and Pittsburgh likely would have (woof!). Which 32 games do you cut off? The first 32 or the last? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 1,126 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 1 hour ago, kipwinger said: I think the NHL should be more like the NBA. I'd prefer to know who's going to win a championship before any games are even played. That's WAY more fun as a fan. Easy it will the Leafs year.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walman6million 250 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 19 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said: Easy it will the Leafs year.... 1 F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,756 Report post Posted May 1, 2023 I saw a post online earlier that said if you take away powerplay goals from both Boston and Florida, then the Panthers absolutely dominated the Bruins at 5on5. This is be interesting because it's more or less the same story with Toronto and Tampa. Tampa carried the play at even strength but Toronto's special teams won them the series (well that and injuring Tampa's entire defense corps and 1C). 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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AtlantaHotWings 1,126 Report post Posted May 2, 2023 Dilemma so I come to the place where I can get clarity. SIL - obnoxious Canes fan who is already planning the parade. I said mmm I think the leafs are NHL's choice to be in the finals against Oil. Matthews vs McJesus. So he wants to bet some nice whiskey that the Canes make it farther than Leafs. My issue is how do I overcome my HATRED of the Leafs to root for them for alcohol. End justifies the means? Become a rabid Devils fan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walman6million 250 Report post Posted May 2, 2023 35 minutes ago, AtlantaHotWings said: Dilemma so I come to the place where I can get clarity. SIL - obnoxious Canes fan who is already planning the parade. I said mmm I think the leafs are NHL's choice to be in the finals against Oil. Matthews vs McJesus. So he wants to bet some nice whiskey that the Canes make it farther than Leafs. My issue is how do I overcome my HATRED of the Leafs to root for them for alcohol. End justifies the means? Become a rabid Devils fan? Well you're correct the moneypuck I saw favored Oil v. Leafs But don't sell your soul for alcohol bro. The day you put on leafs colors in exchange for whiskey is the day you need to admit your powerless over the pappy an need to go to AA. Have real balls. Bet on Florida or any other team. That's a mans bet. Moneypuck is often wrong anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Walman6million said: Well you're correct the moneypuck I saw favored Oil v. Leafs But don't sell your soul for alcohol bro. The day you put on leafs colors in exchange for whiskey is the day you need to admit your powerless over the pappy an need to go to AA. Have real balls. Bet on Florida or any other team. That's a mans bet. Moneypuck is often wrong anyway. I got Fla over Boston correct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted May 2, 2023 On 5/1/2023 at 12:10 PM, Walman6million said: Bad Kitty! Made big mess! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
