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#2519645 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by darkmanx on 07 May 2014 - 04:51 PM

This is no coincidence, he's that bad.


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In the span of 24 hours, Johan Franzen has moved to No. 2 on our most popular buyouts list behind David Clarkson.

#2519544 Will Mantha join GR after the QMJHL playoffs?

Posted by darkmanx on 06 May 2014 - 09:47 PM

Mantha with 2 goals and an assist tonight as Val D'or takes a 2 game to 1 lead in the QMJHL finals.


Babcock was in attendance for the game as well


He's getting a "realgud" look at Mantha.

#2519085 Will Mantha join GR after the QMJHL playoffs?

Posted by darkmanx on 03 May 2014 - 03:07 PM

Buying out players only happens when there significantly overpaid. Franzen, regardless of ur own qualms with him, is worth 4 million, and would get more than that per year on the open market. Tootoo, whether u like him or not, doesn't play, and is therefore worthy of a buyout.

Sure Franzen has that ridiculously long contract, but I'm willing to bet he's still enough decent at 38. If I'm wrong when that rolls around ill change toon, but till then I believe


Then send him packing. Not looking at stats Franzen is not worth much. I would rather an asset in his place then a liability. He's Ovi except 1/10th the player, when he isn't scoring he doesn't do anything else.

#2518865 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by darkmanx on 02 May 2014 - 11:40 AM


That's really not true though.  Samuelsson, Kopecky, and Quincey all had much higher totals with other teams.  They all had their career years elsewhere.  Our biggest FA offensive success story is Hossa who, again, had his sixth best offensive season with us.  Now, you could argue that this is because we only ever sign role players and aging guys...but that would only further my point that our organizational philosophy is such that offensive production is not our primary concern. 


But as I stated before, it's not a knock on any player or our philosophy or system.  It's just an acknowledgement that our current system does not revolve around high powered offense.  I'm not really sure why I'm even having to argue this considering 1) nobody has come to Detroit in recent memory and had a career year, 2) we haven't had anything close to a league leader in any offensive category in quite a long time, and 3) in the last five years have ranked 14th, 2nd, 7th, 19th, and 16th respectively.  The anomaly is the one year we did have a good offense not the three bad ones and one sorta good one. 


Edit:  In in interest of fairness, Ian White had a career year with Detroit, eclipsing his previous personal best by six points, which is roughly the same as Samuelsson's improvement when he went to Vancouver.  I stand corrected. 



Zetterberg was top 3 in scoring for the first two months before his injury. Datsyuk was top 10. Alfie was top 30 at one time during the season as well.


We don't sign high offensive players (since Hossa). If we got Vanek this offseason I would bet he scores 30-40 goals and gets over a PPG. It's hard to score a lot of goals when you have dmen that can't move the puck at all (Quincey, Lashoff, Kindl). When we had Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Stuart we were top 10 in goals for every year.

#2517622 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by darkmanx on 27 April 2014 - 01:00 PM


If you have all white collar workers, nothing gets done, despite a lot of conversation. If its all blue collar, there's plenty of sweat but often pointlessly.
Wings fans endless bitching online everywhere about Franzen is often missing the point. He's always been a bit floaty, and always been streaky, and has always been massively vulnerable to losses of confidence. But when he was having his good streaks in a better team at a better time, no-one minded. 
He's not the man to be THE guy. He's best as A guy, and at his cap hit, that's what he should be. People screaming lazyness are being stupid. You can't be an elite athlete in any sport if you are lazy. The management have always spoke of his professionalism. 
He just doesn't have a high enough compete or confidence levels to maximise his talents, and because he occasionally goes on incredible runs of form, people equate his off periods with a lack of effort. 
Apart from his first season as a 4th line scrub, he's always been a reasonably defensively responsible perimeter player with the size and skill to surprise. But after those two great playoff series, fans see him as first line power forward and judge him by those expectations. But despite showing the ability from time to time, he isn't that player. And never has been.
He's a shy team first guy, who doesn't deal with being in the spotlight, but as a 3rd wheel on a line with a shooter and a passer (preferably one with speed and the other with serious intensity) he can thrive. 
He's frustrating, disappointing and still very good in a secondary role. It really doesn't help that every time we see him get real chemistry on a line, Babcock breaks that line up. Maybe the coach can see the drop off coming, but he doesn't work with Dats or Helm very well, but does ok with Legwand and Zetterburg, and  definitely has chemistry with Nyquist. So he barely gets to play with them......
There is no doubt that his injury problems, particularly the resultant shying away from contact for a while, are a concern, but the guy still put up 40ish points in 50ish games on a depleted team...and his PPG rate in the playoffs was as good as anyone not named D or Z. 
But he's the scapegoat because our kids give us hope for the future, and our higher paid players have all been injured, and the others have proved their mediocrity over time. The guy makes less than Weiss, less than Legwand, marginally more than Quincy and not a lot more than Sammy, and yet he's a disaster. 
Guy's salary/PPG since his new contract is as good as anyone not on an ELC in that time.  And yet we should pay him 20m to go away to a rival team for nothing, while not yet having a replacement, because we are worried about a PPG decline that hasn't yet happened on a team that has spent the last 15 years specialising on squeezing the last drops out of aging pros. If it all goes **** up in 2-3 years, I'm sure we can do a deal to LTIR him.


Lucic costs 50% more and players like him are pretty hard to get hold of in the first place.


He also came close with 2 good scoring chances and forced 2 really good saves from Rask. But of course no-one else's turnovers count.


No-one is saying he is perfect. It just makes no strategic sense to get rid of him at this point unless something else is happening for sure.


People trying to turn this into a black or white either/or need to look at the reality. 


Until we have someone to replace him, someone has to score those points. Dead wood leaves, cap goes up and worst case scenario we're stuck with and over-priced 3rd liner who occasionally goes on good runs.



Difference being, he was the reason a goal was scored on us in that game. Game might have been different if he actually tried to pass while skating instead of standing still.


I know i know, too much effort.

#2517610 A plea to Holland.

Posted by darkmanx on 27 April 2014 - 12:39 PM

Well, after the playoffs this year I just have a weird feeling one of the young guys will be included in a trade for a top 4 dmen. Whether it's Tatar, or Jurco I'm not sure. It's pretty obvious what we need for next year and unless Boyle or Markov sign with us we will have to go the trade route.

#2517607 Grand Rapids Griffins - defend the cup

Posted by darkmanx on 27 April 2014 - 12:36 PM

I am not sure if this could happen but if i'm wrong someone please correct me.


Anthony Mantha and Val'dor are down to the final game, if they lose they are eliminated. Mantha should be able to come to GR should his team be eliminated which makes our team even better. I have a feeling he will score quite a bit of goals for us. This will also help him get ready to hopefully get a chance for the team next year. The kid is incredible.


Season Stats:


57GP 57G 63A 120P


Playoff Stats:


15GP 17G 7A 24P

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#2517606 What Happened to Nyquist?

Posted by darkmanx on 27 April 2014 - 12:29 PM

What happened to this kid during the last few weeks?  I realize you're not going to score a goal every game, but to completely fall apart offensively was shocking and disconcerting.


Is it because as someone mentioned, Datsyuk returned, and Nyquist somehow let up?  Maybe, but if anything, he should have had less attention on him after Datsyuk returned.  But the two events do seem to coincide.        


Was it the line combos changing?  I thought Nyquist had good chemistry with Legwand and Franzen, but Babcock decided to play each one on a different line (all of which didn't work).  I think that contributed heavily to all three players struggling in the playoffs (thanks Mike).    


Is it because we played a big, physical team like Boston?  Very likely, but that's not going to change.  We have to play in the same division as them now.  Also, his drop off started before the playoffs, so it wasn't just Boston.         


Or is it because he was hurt (the typical LGW playoff disappearing excuse)  Always tough to know who is or isn't hurt because of how much secrecy teams keep, but that's a possibility as well.   


It does remind me of Datsyuk disappearing in the playoffs in 2004 and 2006.  Albeit, Pavel was a better player at that time than Nyquist is now.      


Of course, I realize few very players played well for Detroit during the playoffs, so it's not just Nyquist.  All the young players struggled in the postseason. But still, with the kind of play he showed us after the Olympics, his drop off was the most surprising of all.    


I hope he can put this behind him and step up in the future.    


He carried the team for 2 months is what happened. Not to mention he was given no space in the playoffs, and the line when he was scoring those goals was Franzen - Legwand - Nyquist which never played once together from the last 3 games of the year, and all into the playoffs. Babcock f***ed up.

#2515879 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by darkmanx on 25 April 2014 - 06:49 PM

Last 3 years in the playoffs.


Dan Cleary - 30GP 16 Points


Franzen 24GP 8 Points



Let that soak in for abit.

#2511617 4/18 ECQF Game 1 GDT: Red Wings 1 @ Bruins 0. DET leads series 1-0

Posted by darkmanx on 19 April 2014 - 07:23 PM


#2511575 WCQF - Series F - Blues vs. Blackhawks

Posted by darkmanx on 19 April 2014 - 05:19 PM

I need to see this hit. 


#2510405 ECQF - Series C - Penguins versus Blue Jackets

Posted by darkmanx on 18 April 2014 - 09:36 AM

I hate Crosby as much as anyone else. However, the refs didn't favor anyone in that game. Two penalties were missed and very very bad ones. A Slew-foot and a stick to the nuts.



#2510355 ECQF - Series A - Bruins versus Red Wings

Posted by darkmanx on 18 April 2014 - 12:47 AM


#2510117 ECQF - Series B - Tampa Bay versus Montreal

Posted by darkmanx on 16 April 2014 - 09:37 PM

Well I see playoff Filppula showed up. Finished -2 and no points.

#2510109 ECQF - Series C - Penguins versus Blue Jackets

Posted by darkmanx on 16 April 2014 - 09:07 PM

I can't figure out what team I hate more. Columbus or Pens.