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#2525072 Brad Richards bought out by Rangers

Posted by Euro_Twins on 21 June 2014 - 07:45 PM

So-and this is why I don't put much weight in the advanced stats, franzen is better, then why does Richards have more points? They are = in regular season goals, Richards is much better in PO goals, and I don't care how you slice it, Richards doesn't play with guys as good as Datsyuk and Z, which those stats claim.
Again, I think both of these guys suck. The difference is the Rangers realized their mistake and corrected it. We did not. Can't wait for the next season to prove the point once again that franzen sucks. I will put the +/- at 0 for games played, 16 for goals scored, 1 for concussions.

Umm franzen played in 28 games less and had 10 points less. That seems to me like franzen was the better ppg player no matter what way you slice it.

#2525066 Brad Richards bought out by Rangers

Posted by Euro_Twins on 21 June 2014 - 07:02 PM

While Richards has a slightly better defensive rating by that advanced stat, Franzen has a far better offensive rating by the same stat and is ranked as the better player overall.
Here are their ratings last season in those stats.
HarD (Defensive rating) -
Richards 7.9
Franzen 5.3
HarO (Offensive Rating) - 
Richards -0.6
Franzen 4.0
HarT (Total Ranking) -
Richards 3.7
Franzen 4.7
Overall Quality of Teammates
Richards 9.7
Franzen 2.7
Overall Quality of Competition
Richards -2.1
Franzen -1.6
Over the past 2 years the gap widens.
HarD (Defensive rating) -
Richards 14.5
Franzen 27.3
HarO (Offensive Rating) - 
Richards 5.8
Franzen 8.7

HarT (Total Ranking) -
Richards 10.1
Franzen 18.0
Overall Quality of Teammates
Richards 13.9
Franzen 6.7
Overall Quality of Competition
Richards -2.6
Franzen -0.7
Here is the comparison over the past 3 seasons.
HarD (Defensive rating) -
Richards 5.8
Franzen 32.9
HarO (Offensive Rating) - 
Richards 6.6
Franzen 19.7
HarT (Total Ranking) -
Richards 6.2
Franzen 26.3
Overall Quality of Teammates
Richards 5.3
Franzen 11.9
Overall Quality of Competition
Richards -2.2
Franzen 0.3
I don't think advanced stats are going to help you in making a case that Richards is the better player, especially when he was making twice as much money as Johan.

Its called picking one specific states to prove a point and ignoring all other stats. Something a few people around here like to do. If we got Richards he would be on more than mule.

#2525015 Brad Richards bought out by Rangers

Posted by Euro_Twins on 21 June 2014 - 10:22 AM

Another circular arguement. Fun times! Neither is a great player and maybe never were. But and this is key, both have long bad contracts. One team realized this and bought out their crap the other didn't. Now when comparing the 2 in terms of numbers it is taking a trip down the over rated road. But lets.....
Richards just turn 34 a couple of months ago and Franzen turns 35 in a couple of months. They are 8 months apart in age, with Franzen being older. Franzen has had at least 3 concussions in the NHL and a couple of other major injuries along the way, Richards hasn't. Over the past 3 seasons Richards missed a total of 2 regular season games. For their careers Richards scores .88 points per game, Franzen scores .61 ppg. Now over the last 3 years Richards numbers have dropped to .72 ppg, but those numbers are still better than Franzen's. Yes some of that is the fact Richards is a C and get s a lot of assists, while Franzen is a winger and supposed to score goals. On that front though they are very close. Richards has scored 56 regular season goals and 12 post season goals over the past 3 years while Franzen has scored 59 in the past 3 regular seasons and 5 in the past 3 post seasons.
Now I am no fan of richards, nor do I want him here. Lets be very clear about that. In each case we have declining players that are signed long term. Both should have been bought out. That is the point.

Since you mentioned ppg over the last three years. Over the last three years franzen has averaged .75 ppg. Yes he is streaky, we all know that. But there is no denying the production. Sure you can say he hasn't showed up in the playoffs, which is true, and he is "lazy" but his +/- would disagree with you as would just about every defensive status available. He may look disinterested and laid back, but what I see is a player babs has transformed to play defense first. His production is as high as it's ever been, and his defensive game is much better than everyone gives him credit for.

I would take franzen over Richards any day.

#2524982 Brad Richards bought out by Rangers

Posted by Euro_Twins on 20 June 2014 - 11:58 PM

Brad Richards age 34 - Contract remaining - 6 years with a cap hit of 6.67 Million a season
Johan Franzen age 34 - Contract remaining - 6 years with a cap hit of 3.95 million a season
New York Rangers Goal differential +25  
Brad Richards plus minus -8
Detroit Red Wings goal differential -8 
Johan Franzen plus minus +6
Brad Richards 24
Johan Franzen 66
Brad Richards 46
Johan Franzen 28
Brad Richards 49.8%
Johan Franzen 52.9%
Richards slightly outscored Franzen this year but was far worse defensively and he costs almost double what Franzen does. That's why one is employed and the other was paid to go away.

If franzenstein played 82 games like Richards he would have (pro rated) 11 points more and 4 goals more.

#2524574 Detroit re-signs Gustavsson 1 yr $1.85 mill

Posted by Euro_Twins on 19 June 2014 - 11:14 AM

The hype for Mrazek is funny the guy hasn't done anything worthwhile at the NHL level and yet people are already making him the next starter. Reminds a lot on a certain guy named Jacob Markström.

In 11 games in the nhl, he has a 1.8 gaa and a .926 sv%

And obviously he has been great in the ahl also

#2524564 Detroit re-signs Gustavsson 1 yr $1.85 mill

Posted by Euro_Twins on 19 June 2014 - 11:03 AM

I don't know why people are complaining. This is a good thing. The more Gus is injured the more experience mrazek gets before he becomes the full time backup next season

#2524150 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by Euro_Twins on 17 June 2014 - 08:38 AM

Whoa Whoa Whoa, don't everybody go blaming Holland here.  Babs was the one who wanted him back.  Babs was the reason he left money on the table in Philly.  And Babs was the reason he got a commitment beyond last year from the Wings.  If Holland had his say Dan Cleary would be entering the second year of his three year contract with the Flyers right now. 

Yes, Holland is just as guilty too.

#2524148 Compliance buyout expected to be used on Tootoo

Posted by Euro_Twins on 17 June 2014 - 08:34 AM

We got franzens contract.

And kindls(or was it after the new cba he signed his extension can't remember).

Either way using it on a guy with 1 year led is a waste but O well.

Franzen is putting up just as many points as he was when he was signed to that contract. Kindl has a very tradeable contract. Gomez was a terrible comparison.

#2524075 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by Euro_Twins on 16 June 2014 - 07:33 PM

Nah, Holland is too busy signing undrafted "projects." He'll have no interest in an NHL player.  Not that I think Thornton would be the answer to what we need...

So you're being cynical just to be cynical? You don't want him to be signed yet you complain that he won't be signed?

Holland may not make a lot of trades, but getting free agents is something he does do.

#2524006 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Euro_Twins on 16 June 2014 - 10:33 AM


All that's saying I'd that alfies bonuses were deferred to next seasons cap, which we already knew was going to happen. We're not being punished like you said. We still have money to spend this off season and it doesn't put us into "cap trouble"

#2523875 Wings sign Tomas Nosek to 2 year entry level deal

Posted by Euro_Twins on 14 June 2014 - 04:58 PM

Holland: Hello? Mr. I? Ya, I did what you said and signed Tomas Nosek...ya...Nosek...Tomas. That guy you told me to sign. Yes, him...what? Tomas Nosek. Excuse me? Who? Vanek? Shoot! Darn! Darn! Darn! Sorry Sir...
Mr. I: You f***ing idiot...(click)

I'd probably rather have nosek and his minuscule contract, instead of ghost vanek and his large cap

#2523864 Wings sign Tomas Nosek to 2 year entry level deal

Posted by Euro_Twins on 14 June 2014 - 03:26 PM

Nosek will probably be soft, so I assume his nickname will be nosack

#2523781 2014 SCF : (2) The Big Apple vs. (3) Hollywood

Posted by Euro_Twins on 14 June 2014 - 01:47 AM

Well no more cups for la... 2 is enough

#2523481 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by Euro_Twins on 11 June 2014 - 09:17 AM

Did you even watch the Canadians? Hell even NBC guys commented in it a couple times. He was always a threat and putting pressure on the opposing team.

I hear announcers say the same about mule. What's your point?

#2523473 2014 SCF : (2) The Big Apple vs. (3) Hollywood

Posted by Euro_Twins on 11 June 2014 - 08:06 AM

They also wouldn't have made it this far without Quick stealing them some games.  
Shaky almost every game this postseason?  How many games did you watch Quick play this postseason?  
Nevermind.  Are views are so far apart on this there's really no point in us discussing it.

Quite a few actually. The announcers give him so much praise based off past success even after he lets in 4-5 goals, which he has done quite a bit. Yes he has stolen some games, but he is nowhere near the level he is capable of.