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#2682416 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 06 July 2016 - 02:07 PM

Hahaha this is the most pointless conversation / debate ever! Not a single person supporting analytics has said that the only thing you need to judge a player is stats, but yet people that are against all of these advanced stats keep coming back and saying that you can't judge a player solely on stats... Well no s***, that's why we've said over and over again that watching is very important as well... But make no mistake, all of these stats are used to aid hockey professionals, from scouts to coaches to broadcasters to writers and so on...

Obviously there are things that these stats cannot tell you, like potential, work ethic, determination, stick handling, shooting and play-making ability, and that is why it's great that most of us are fortunate enough to be able to watch the games... However, some of these things like quality of teammates and opponents, whether a player is sheltered or not, etc, etc that people are claiming cannot be tracked through these advanced stats are flat out wrong. These are the exact types of things that are tracked through advanced stats.

I guarantee a blind person that has never watched a hockey game in his / her life, but has access to all of these advanced stats, would be able to give a better analysis on who is the top 10 players at each position than someone that only relies on watching the games... You know why? Bias. Every single person here, has a bias for or against certain players, and unless you're willing to dig deeper and rely on some of these stats to broaden your perception, you will continue to be in the dark...

Great post by the way ToastyWing. How did you come up with so much info? Was it through stats? Or are you recalling all of this information from all the games you've watched over the years?

nyquististhefuture, you're right, Hakan Andersson didn't use advanced stats when he drafted these guys, and still doesn't because most of these stats are still foreign to developmental leagues, especially in Europe. I doubt many amateur scouts use the advanced stats, but you can bet your a** every single pro scout uses at least some of them... They'd be fools not to. And as much as I love Hakan for the amazing players he's brought the Wings, for every Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Datsyuk we've been fortunate enough to have, there has been a lot more Motkov, Wikstrom, Petrasek, etc. that have been complete busts. And there's no denying that he hasn't had a pick that looks like a future hall of famer since those guys, back when he was one of the few scouts that was willing to take gambles on these European kids...

And yet people say X is better than Y because... and post nothing but advanced stats with no context as their proof.


#2682377 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 06 July 2016 - 10:09 AM

The problem with advanced stats is they don't always take into account the sheltered minutes some people play.


#2682110 Who do you have as the top 5 Wings of all time..

Posted by DickieDunn on 03 July 2016 - 08:32 PM

Howe
Lidstrom
Yzerman
Fedorov
Datsyuk
HM: Kelly, Sawchuk (I don't know enough about goaltending to compare to skaters)

Sawchuk held a ton of records until Broduer and Roy came around, easily the best goalie to ever play in Detroit.


#2682075 Who do you have as the top 5 Wings of all time..

Posted by DickieDunn on 03 July 2016 - 01:10 PM

Any list of all time best Wings that doesn't have both Howe and Sawchuk on it are invalid.
Howe
Lidstrom
Yzerman
Sawchuk
Multi-way tie for 5 between Fedorov, Lindsay, Abel, Syd Howe, Red Kelly, and a few others.


#2681985 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 02 July 2016 - 03:53 PM

Did anyone we sign in the last few days have a no move clause? (Ott, Helm, Miller, Vanek, Nielson, etc.) Trying to get an idea if any of them could be used in a trade.

Nielsen had a nmc for two years

Helm + something (pick, young prospect) for Trouba ftw !!

They won't trade Helm right after they signed him


#2681256 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 01 July 2016 - 11:52 AM

There's no guarantee these players wanted to come to Detroit, what is Holland supposed to do? The only leverage he would have is to overpay and look at the criticism he gets for that.

So don't sign anyone. No deal is better than a bad one, Holland used to understand that.


#2681251 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 01 July 2016 - 11:51 AM

I want Nielsen here but he's not THE guy. We still need a star. Hopefully he and Larkin develop good chemistry.

5.5 isn't terrible. Helm is a $4 million player and Nielsen is twice the player.

Helm isn't a $4 mil player, Holland overpaid him.
I can't express what I truly feel about Holland right now without getting banned.


#2680967 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 01 July 2016 - 09:59 AM

5 years al almost $4 mil for a checking line player with delusions of grandeur. Ffs. I'm fully on board with the fire Holland crowd now. If he gives Neilson a 5+year deal, I'll drive to Detroit and kick Holland right in the nuts.


#2680795 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 01 July 2016 - 02:00 AM

Okposo $8M?

Thuck fat


#2680727 Other than Stamkos, which FA forward do you want?

Posted by DickieDunn on 30 June 2016 - 07:23 PM

You would think, realistically, that if Larsson got you Hall, Marchenko would get you RNH.

Larsson was a high pick and still has upside, Marchenko might not even be an average second pairing guy. Edmonton still got hosed though

and a top D

And a coach and maybe a GM


#2680724 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 30 June 2016 - 07:17 PM

Ask your this, Nielsen 5 @ 5.5 or Helm 5 @ 4.5?

I'm signing Nielsen all day. I'd still love to have all 3 isles. Then if we can trade for a D. I'd be excited moving forward.

Dog turd sandwich or cat poop panini


#2680677 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 30 June 2016 - 04:40 PM

I'd rather have Backes for a year or two at a high cap hit than a lower hit for longer


#2680674 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 30 June 2016 - 04:36 PM

Craig Custance ‏@CraigCustance 24m24 minutes ago

Red Wings still in talks with Darren Helm. If deal can't get done, he's UFA tomorrow.

Let him walk


#2680539 Other than Stamkos, which FA forward do you want?

Posted by DickieDunn on 30 June 2016 - 09:41 AM

There isn't a #1 center left. Staal might not be a #2 even, he's fallen off quite a bit. Backes is better, but if won't sign for under five years, Staal at one year might be the better option. Richards is just bad.


#2679672 Drew Miller re-signs... 1 year deal $1.025 million

Posted by DickieDunn on 27 June 2016 - 01:39 PM

Miller and Glendening are possession black holes. Whatever positives they bring are outweighed by the fact that they spend all of their time at even-strength without the puck (often against top players, because reasons). You don't win with a fourth line that's "gritty and real good defensively." You win with a fourth line that's talented enough to be a third line and can devour other team's bottom-sixers. Also, this is one less spot for a kid, which is always good to see. (yeah but thoes kidzn arnt real gud defensivly)

It's almost impossible to have that in a cap league. If the 4th line cam contribute in any way, it's a positive. The real issue is over use of them, and that's a coaching issue.