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#2610372 At what point does the GM deserve credit/blame?

Posted by DickieDunn on 26 May 2015 - 09:32 AM

Bowman was GM for a bit, but Holland handled most of the day to day stuff. Minimizing his contributions is just bs. When Yzerman wanted to he a GM I don't blame Holland at all for not taking a different role. He's the GM, he wanted to continue to fill that role.

#2609631 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by DickieDunn on 22 May 2015 - 09:30 AM

Not necessarily. I'd agree with you but there wasn't a bidding war from the Leafs side according to Shanny and Babs. The Leafs made the offer before Babcock was heading to Prague. The only one that raised their offer were the Red Wings. If you believe that is of course your choice, but I haven't seen any media piece that says otherwise. What does it tell us ? Well, Babs didn't demand that kind of money and I'm sure he'd still choose the Maple Leafs if we matched that offer or if the Leafs offer wasn't better than our first.
"It all comes down to cash" is a too simple answer.  Decisions are made because of a number of reasons. Money may have played a role, but all the other factors mentioned here in the thread and by Babs were probably more significant. If everything came down to money no one would have blamed Babs if he said so. He could have just sat in the presser and told the media that the Leafs made the best offer money wise. Would you blamed him ? I sure wouldn't. Almost nobody would. Instead he made lengthy explanation that sounds reasonable for a guy like him.

He did say that in the presser.  He said that Toronto made an offer he couldn't refuse.  Every other thing he said would factor into the decision went right out the window when that offer was made. 
He said his family's input would make a difference.  They wanted to stay.  He left.
He said he didn't want to be part of a rebuild.  Toronto is rebuilding.  He signed.
He was concerned about Detroit's future prospects.  Ours are better than Toronto's.  He signed with them.
He said he wants to win.  Went to one of the league's worst franchises.
I'm not even lambasting the guy.  I'd have left for that money too.  I'm just wondering why everybody feels the need to act like this was all about something it wasn't. 
Detroit has a long history of people who have PROVEN that they'd rather win than make the most money.  Not just said it.  Did it.  They've done it over and over and over.  From Holland to all of our star players, each could have made more money if they'd hit the free market.  They chose not to because they liked being here, and so they were willing to take less. 
But Mike Babcock isn't one of those guys.  He's not Nick Lidstom.  He's Sergei Fedorov.  Nothing wrong with Sergei, great Wing, great player, decent guy.  Same with Babs.  But they both chased the money.  Plain and simple. 

So you were there when Babcock talked to his wife and heard her say I don't want to go to Toronto, even for that much money? No? Then how do you know what his family wanted? Money absolutely was a factor, but if anyone gets offered a huge raise to go to a new company, I guarantee 99.9% of the time people leave. I mostly like where I work now, typical BS you find in any company aside, and it's less than a mile fromy house. But if I got am offer to drive 25 miles for another $3 an hour, I'd be out of there in a second.

Fedorov wasn't about the money either. He'd wanted out of Detroit for years, despite what he said in the media. He tried his best to get out after '97 and only came back because that ridiculous contract the Camels offered got matched. He wanted to go somewhere he'd be THE guy.

#2608223 2015 Draft

Posted by DickieDunn on 17 May 2015 - 06:44 PM

Last I heard McKee was moved to wing and still couldn't play regularly.

#2608161 Dylan larkin #5 prospect out of top 50 on hockeysfuture

Posted by DickieDunn on 17 May 2015 - 09:38 AM

Nylander is just the newest Leafs toy in 2 months the number 4 pick will be the saviour there.Still can't believe that the Leafs passed in Nick Ritchie

His dad was an NHL player so that means he's better than other prospects.
Can we please not call him Dylark. It sounds stupid.

#2608113 What's our draft position this year? And best defensemen available

Posted by DickieDunn on 16 May 2015 - 11:51 AM

The Wings wanted a local boy in the draft once and got some scrawny Canadian kid instead.  I think that worked out pretty good.


Where a player is from is and should always be a secondary consideration.  When you take locality over talent, you're going to be disappointed every time.  Look at the Pistons and Lions  Remember Mateen Cleaves?  Charles Rogers?  Drew Stanton?  All were drafted because they were local guys when better players were available.  I don't want the Wings to do that.

#2607323 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by DickieDunn on 12 May 2015 - 09:34 AM

Babs would be a fool to take the $5m in Toronto ... if he can't deliver a Cup, which I don't think he can in Toronto, he'll be like any albatross player with a huge contract and cannot deliver.  His legacy will go down the toilet if he goes to TO.  

How does a coach's salary affect a team with a ton of cash? The only reason Clarkson and Phaneuf are issues is the cap.

#2606978 Kronwall

Posted by DickieDunn on 10 May 2015 - 12:12 PM

Kronner does not have a capable slap shot from the point, therefore he is not elite. 
I'm kind of kidding there, but IMO here are d-men who are better than Kronner. 
Drew Doughty
Duncan Keith
Alex Pietrangelo
Erik Karlsson
Shea Weber
Ryan Suter
Kris Letang
P.K. Subban
Keith Yandle
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Ryan McDonaugh
Mark Giordano
Brent Burns
Dustin Byfuglien
John Carlson
Roman Josi
Kevin Shattenkirk
Denis Wideman
That's 18 I'm comfortable with and then you can add Justin Faulk, Victor Hedman, Dougie Hamilton, Jake Muzzin, Aaron Ekblad, Tyson Barrie, and T.J. Brodie to pass him soon. Admittedly my list is offense-heavy, but our blueline produces zero offense. 
Kronner is never going to be what we wanted him to be. 
Seriously though, the guy has a pretty weak slap shot. 

Some of those guys are not clearly better. They might put up points, but their defense is weaker. Burns in particular, he should be a forward instead of a d-man.

#2606857 Players who might be available due to teams cap issues

Posted by DickieDunn on 09 May 2015 - 02:36 AM

Shanahan also was an A that brought in about forty goals a season. 
There is a difference between a tough power forward and just a plain idiot.  Shanahan was the former.  Lucic is the latter.

No doubt that the Wings fortune changed when a disgruntled Primeau, and an aging Coffey were sent packing for Shanny (arguably this was the final piece that was needed for the Wings championship teams).
As much as a goof Lucic is - I still believe he has the ability to score 30 per year, and be that d-bag/tuff guy on the ice when needed (much of his issue is maturity - whether he grows up or not remains to be seen).
Lucic won't ever come close to Shanny's production - then again not many players in todays game ever will.

If Douchecic could score like that still, he would. He's one of those guys who have a couple good years then stop doing what it was that got them there.

#2606519 Phil Kessel blockbuster

Posted by DickieDunn on 07 May 2015 - 10:32 AM

Maybe the Canes think a lack of Tim Horton's will help Kessel keep the weight of.

#2606143 Kronwall in the Playoffs

Posted by DickieDunn on 05 May 2015 - 04:38 PM

Of you don't think Kronwall is a #1, you have a very narrow definition of a #1 and think there are only 10-12 in the NHL. 210 defensemen in the league on active rosters at any given time, there aren't 20 guys better than him, putting him in the top 10%.

#2605643 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 02 May 2015 - 10:58 PM

I think Marchenko takes Zidlicky's spot, he was never more than a rental. After not playing hardly I can't see Cleary wanting to come back.

#2604980 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by DickieDunn on 30 April 2015 - 11:30 AM

Babcock, Blashill, Bylsma, McClellan, or Tippett if the Coyotes are dumb enough to fire him.

#2603038 Kronwall suspended one game

Posted by DickieDunn on 28 April 2015 - 11:41 PM

Punches to the head, elbows to the head, crosschecking a guy in the neck, all ok.  A hit that even the other team said was a good hockey hit and not dirty, suspension.  Something is wrong here.

#2602926 Kronwall suspended one game

Posted by DickieDunn on 28 April 2015 - 07:18 PM

Joke of a suspension

#2600737 Brian McGrattan

Posted by DickieDunn on 25 April 2015 - 07:06 PM

McGrattan takes one lick to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop