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Wide margin? ?? Who had more points this season? AO won the Hart twice...Sid once. Wide margin? Look at how many times Wayne, Gordie, and Mario won the Hart...a ton of times each. AO has Sid beat on this. I take Cups, Olympic medals, WJ's, etc. out of my consideration on this because those are team accomplishments. I don't know who I think is better of the two (I think I'd actually take Dats over them both...that's just me though) but there are a lot of folks who think AO is a better player. Yes, yes they do.

Up until this season that may have been true. I don't even really know what this is about anymore though, other than another stupid thread about how much Crosby sucks.

Tell that to Team USA Ryan Miller.

No, no they don't. Crosby is the best player in this era by a wide margin.

Sorry man, fixing this so maybe people can read it easier.

What was that about heads flying back like they were shot? Kook_10's:

Breaking news: NHL suspends Ben Eager for hit on Daniel Sedin. Canucks GM Mike Gillis says he will appeal.

Just wanted to say that I completely agree with you guys about Eager. I was pissed at him before for taking stupid penalties and runs at players, but then what he did after the goal was a disgrace. I NEVER want to see Eager put on teal again. I don't want him representing me as a fan or the team I root for. I'm so ******* pissed right now.

Do you ask this about all the Wings players? Because all you ever post is crap about how terrible they are, or useless, or suck. Just give it up, I miss mindfly. At least he was funny with the negative crap

this makes me very happy.

Well, when Yzerman, Fedorov and Shanahan left, we still had guys like Datsyuk and Zetterberg that were already there to fill their shoes. I don't see anyone on the team now in their 20's, who is a star forward of the future. I hope we'll still be good and competitive, but it will be harder with a salary cap to keep this team rolling every year. Although the cap doesn't exist anymore, the Wings of recent years are still similar on paper to what we had before. A continuation of the past of sorts. The future looks like a blur to me 5 years from now in Detroit. Too hard to predict. Anything could happen.

This is as false of a statement as someone can make. The league had record revenues...for the billionth year in a row and Crosby was out for half of it and had zero effect on the revenue.

I have constantly bitched about how much Crosby is over promoted (not about his ability). He hasn't played for months, and he's still the top star in NHL's marketing. I think he's a great player, but I don't think he deserves half as much of the advertising time the NHL spends on him. He's one player in a league of 30 very competitive teams. Maybe if the NHL bothered to promote someone else besides just him, bandwagon fans may be more impressed with the competition the league has to offer. Hell, it's arguable that Malkin (while streaky, and overall not as good) has been a better player for brief periods of time.

Actually they are. Did you thread this entire thread? See quote from CupforWings below: <<Crosby is more then just another talented player... The guy is a beast, is 23 years old, and was on pace for 120 or more points. I hate Crosby as much as the next guy, but he is one of the most talented players of all time. Hopefully he is able to recover and keep putting up monster points like he was this year.>> And... Actually I think the success of the NHL relies on the fans putting up money to support the league by going to games, buying merchandise, and watching games on TV. Sid is only one player who can only effect these factors in a limited way. I completely disagree that the future of the NHL lies in the hands of Sidney Crosby. Example: this years first round playoff's have brought record nielsen "shares"/tv auidence in many, many markets. Sid's wasn't even in the playoff's this year. Compltely disagree. Is it better with him, of course. Will it fail or "fall back into the shadows" without him, no. If I'm a Tampa Bay fan am I NOT going to support my team and go to games, buy jersey's, follow them on TV because Sid is not playing for the Pens? Ridiculous.

I saw Crosby's face in my toast this morning. He's a jerk!! esteef

What, are they mad the Canucks are trying to steal their thunder or because they want lessons?

His own performance was terrible.

Marleau always loses to Thornton. At least that's the word on the streets of London, ON

He wants any flashing women to report to his suite. What's interesting is a few things. 1) Look at Eager's board on Sedin. He saw Eager coming, and purposely faced the boards. This mirrors the Pavelski board in Game 1 Wings/Sharks. It's a very pathetic and stupidly dangerous method of trying to get a penalty call one's way. I don't think Eager will or should get suspended for that. On the other hand, that hit followed the Marleau/Bieksa fight, Eager went up to the glass toward the Canucks bench following that and started yelling s*** at them something about going after skill guys, so he might have intended to run Sedin as payback. If this is the case, suspension deserved. 2) Clowe calling out Lapierre.. not much to say but he's an idiot. He needs to start putting up points before opening his mouth to the media instead of reacting to sideshow nonsense. Sharks were dominated which is why they're busy calling people cowards to the media and allowing their frustration to boil over into something outside of the concept of being the team with the higher number of "Goals" at the end of the game. If this is how easily they lose composure then Canucks in 4. The Sharks already look tired and frustrated, likely because they're being outplayed and the series with the Wings wore them out.

Point is, if there is a debate about two seperate players that have played roughly in the same time period, roughly same amount of seasons, and there is an debate whether who is or has been better....then it's hard to transition that same player (Sid in your case) to on any All Time list... Did anyone question year after year if there was a better player than Gretzky-no. Mario-no. Howe-no. Sid-yes. To be an All Time great there should be no debate that he is or was at least the best player in the league for the majority of his career. Right now, a lot of folks believe AO has been better for the past 3 seasons. Secondly-How did his complete body of work look at the end of this season? Oh he was hurt. Yeah, a lot of players get hurt, careers end, never the same after an injury, yada yada...this all adds to the lore and realization of accomplishment and what the actual true greats went through to be in this very small group of players. Staying healthy is a part of hockey...not an excuse. Yes, if he stays healthy and does stays on pace for another 5-10 years....then you've got substance to having him on any All Time short list.

There's some people in the Toronto media that think Crosby's done. Apparently he's stopped skating because of headaches.

why? he needs to get back to buffalo to get that cabbie again?